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LA is actively supporting illegal immigrants. If you want something like this to work, federal agents need to do it.

DidYaWipe 1y ago
What is "this" and how do you define "work?" And if illegals are such a problem, why do the Republicans toady up to the corporations that perpetuate and profit from it?
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> If you want something like this to work, federal agents need to do it Doing the arrests? Sure. Intimidating protesters for partisan messaging while desecrating the honour of our armed forces? No.
- ExoticPearTree 1y ago
  They are doing arrests and others are trying to block them from doing arrests. That is why the National Guard had to step it, because local law enforcement did nothing to protect ICE from the mobs that try to set free illegals.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > They are doing arrests and others are trying to block them from doing arrests The only "they" doing arrests are ICE and the LAPD. The California National Guard isn't arresting anyone to my knowledge. > local law enforcement did nothing to protect ICE from the mobs that try to set free illegals Source? For literally any of this sentence.
    - chasd00 1y ago
      I won’t google it for you. It there’s multiple video evidence readily available.
      - ben_w 1y ago
        Evidence of absence is harder than that. Yesterday I saw a pic claiming to be of local law enforcement keeping the protestors separated from ICE. It was shared by protestors very upset that ICE was being kept safe while ICE shot at the protestors with tear gas — but(!) I have no way to tell if that was even taken this week in LA or 10 years ago in a different continent, because even before GenAI, there's loads of cases where people share videos of something awful, but label it about something completely different and use it as evidence about that other thing. The person you replied to is looking for evidence that "local law enforcement did nothing to protect ICE from the mobs that try to set free illegals" — it's really hard to show "did nothing" from any single clip. Even absent GenAI being pretty good now, what kind of video do you think will actually demonstrate that (1) local law enforcement, (2) did nothing, not just in the area being filmed but even when the camera was off, (3) specifically that the mobs were trying to set free "illegals" rather than being very unhappy that unidentified armed people wearing masks were hauling away their local pizza maker who they'd known for a decade?
    - bombcar 1y ago
      ICE is doing immigration arrests. LAPD/Sheriffs are doing vandalism related arrests including unlawful assembly. CA guard is standing around federal properties. They normally don’t do arrests but they can and will do “detainments” until another agency can take over. But the FBI is on site doing federal arrests (vandalism etc against a federal building is both a state and federal offense).
      - JCattheATM 1y ago
        > ICE is doing immigration arrests. Not properly, they are hiding while wearing masks and not making it clear they are LEOs. Not to mention arresting people here LEGALLY....
  - freejazz 1y ago
    "illegals" Doing a lot of work for you there.
  - 542354234235 1y ago
    The anti-commandeering doctrine prevents the federal government from directly compelling states to implement or enforce federal law. It has been ruled on time and time again, from 1842 when Justice Joseph Story affirmed it [1] to Justice Samuel Alito in 2018 [2]. The balance between State and Federal power is part of how the country works. You can’t just call in the military whenever States refuse to help you, which they aren’t obligated to do. [1] “The clause relating to fugitive slaves is found in the national Constitution, and not in that of any State. It might well be deemed an unconstitutional exercise of the power of interpretation to insist that the States are bound to provide means to carry into effect the duties of the National Government nowhere delegated or entrusted to them by the Constitution.” Prigg v. Pennsylvania https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/41/539/ https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/41/539/ [2] “Congress may not simply ‘commandeer the legislative process of the States by directly compelling them to enact and enforce a federal regulatory program.” Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Association https://www.oyez.org/cases/2017/16-476 https://www.oyez.org/cases/2017/16-476
- lenkite 1y ago
  Technically, ICE were carrying out arrests for cartel activity and money laundering by illegals as Tom Homan pointed out. They were executing criminal warrants. Then they were attacked. LAPD never came to help them.
thomasingalls 1y ago
Even this supreme court has said the way in which ice is "doing the work" that they're doing isn't constitutional. As in, the way in which "federal agents need to do it" is being done right now is literally illegal. Hence, protests. This isn't rocket science
- ExoticPearTree 1y ago
  One case brought before the Supreme Court was the humanitarian legal status for migrants, which it was struck down and they can be sent back. The other was about the deportations, which the court said they need to serve deportees a notice of deportation before they are actually deported. There is no ruling that says ICE can't go after them wherever they are and arrest them.
  - thomasingalls 1y ago
    so you agree
honeybadger1 1y ago
LA is definitely okay with illegal immigrants, but it's akin to a deal with the devil. It's a sacrifice on their part for cheap labor in exchange for the occasional burning down and looting of their favorite locations when the tide turns against their favor as it is right now. There is an entire economic system and mechanism of living wrapped around this blood-contract in states like California. The moment something threatens it, you see them out there burning, looting, basically being a terrorizer to preserve this system. Looking at it from both sides, they are providing cheap labor to the bourgeois, taking a penance and it's agreed that it's okay, and now an outsider is coming in(trump and his administration) threatening that contract and they expect the state leaders to protect them, as they currently are with their inaction and posturing that everything is fine and safe until Trump opened his big mouth and showed force. The inaction and posturing not being effective, now they are out there punishing the elite for not protecting them by burning down the city they love, and love for them to work in, like slave labor. Everyone knows this to be the case in LA, the argument is does ICE have the right to go in and mass-raid? I believe it does act in the interest of the state, but I also believe that no party has ever wanted to solve the issue of illegal but otherwise law-abiding people having a path to be legal, and that issue also should also be of great interest to the state.
- beyondHelp 1y ago
  Also, the downvoting provides very deep insight of thinking that has taken over. These people have no critical thinking - not to mention self-criticism, as that has been carefully rooted out - apparently knowledge is not important, but education. The paid actors in streets are not the main problem of USA, but whole generation of imbeciles, that can't take responsibility of their own - not to mention for whole country. Count how many gray posts are here and think what will happen when they will all leave. Not to mention that this site is Reddit v2.0 and have the same result and that is not coincidence.
  - vips7L 1y ago
    > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. > Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
beyondHelp 1y ago
You are posting on a site, that is part of the problem of anti-government thinking without placing any other government structure in place.

What is "this" and how do you define "work?" And if illegals are such a problem, why do the Republicans toady up to the corporations that perpetuate and profit from it?

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> If you want something like this to work, federal agents need to do it Doing the arrests? Sure. Intimidating protesters for partisan messaging while desecrating the honour of our armed forces? No.

ExoticPearTree 1y ago
They are doing arrests and others are trying to block them from doing arrests. That is why the National Guard had to step it, because local law enforcement did nothing to protect ICE from the mobs that try to set free illegals.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > They are doing arrests and others are trying to block them from doing arrests The only "they" doing arrests are ICE and the LAPD. The California National Guard isn't arresting anyone to my knowledge. > local law enforcement did nothing to protect ICE from the mobs that try to set free illegals Source? For literally any of this sentence.
  - chasd00 1y ago
    I won’t google it for you. It there’s multiple video evidence readily available.
    - ben_w 1y ago
      Evidence of absence is harder than that. Yesterday I saw a pic claiming to be of local law enforcement keeping the protestors separated from ICE. It was shared by protestors very upset that ICE was being kept safe while ICE shot at the protestors with tear gas — but(!) I have no way to tell if that was even taken this week in LA or 10 years ago in a different continent, because even before GenAI, there's loads of cases where people share videos of something awful, but label it about something completely different and use it as evidence about that other thing. The person you replied to is looking for evidence that "local law enforcement did nothing to protect ICE from the mobs that try to set free illegals" — it's really hard to show "did nothing" from any single clip. Even absent GenAI being pretty good now, what kind of video do you think will actually demonstrate that (1) local law enforcement, (2) did nothing, not just in the area being filmed but even when the camera was off, (3) specifically that the mobs were trying to set free "illegals" rather than being very unhappy that unidentified armed people wearing masks were hauling away their local pizza maker who they'd known for a decade?
  - bombcar 1y ago
    ICE is doing immigration arrests. LAPD/Sheriffs are doing vandalism related arrests including unlawful assembly. CA guard is standing around federal properties. They normally don’t do arrests but they can and will do “detainments” until another agency can take over. But the FBI is on site doing federal arrests (vandalism etc against a federal building is both a state and federal offense).
    - JCattheATM 1y ago
      > ICE is doing immigration arrests. Not properly, they are hiding while wearing masks and not making it clear they are LEOs. Not to mention arresting people here LEGALLY....
- freejazz 1y ago
  "illegals" Doing a lot of work for you there.
- 542354234235 1y ago
  The anti-commandeering doctrine prevents the federal government from directly compelling states to implement or enforce federal law. It has been ruled on time and time again, from 1842 when Justice Joseph Story affirmed it [1] to Justice Samuel Alito in 2018 [2]. The balance between State and Federal power is part of how the country works. You can’t just call in the military whenever States refuse to help you, which they aren’t obligated to do. [1] “The clause relating to fugitive slaves is found in the national Constitution, and not in that of any State. It might well be deemed an unconstitutional exercise of the power of interpretation to insist that the States are bound to provide means to carry into effect the duties of the National Government nowhere delegated or entrusted to them by the Constitution.” Prigg v. Pennsylvania https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/41/539/ https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/41/539/ [2] “Congress may not simply ‘commandeer the legislative process of the States by directly compelling them to enact and enforce a federal regulatory program.” Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Association https://www.oyez.org/cases/2017/16-476 https://www.oyez.org/cases/2017/16-476
lenkite 1y ago
Technically, ICE were carrying out arrests for cartel activity and money laundering by illegals as Tom Homan pointed out. They were executing criminal warrants. Then they were attacked. LAPD never came to help them.

thomasingalls 1y ago

Even this supreme court has said the way in which ice is "doing the work" that they're doing isn't constitutional. As in, the way in which "federal agents need to do it" is being done right now is literally illegal. Hence, protests. This isn't rocket science

ExoticPearTree 1y ago
One case brought before the Supreme Court was the humanitarian legal status for migrants, which it was struck down and they can be sent back. The other was about the deportations, which the court said they need to serve deportees a notice of deportation before they are actually deported. There is no ruling that says ICE can't go after them wherever they are and arrest them.
- thomasingalls 1y ago
  so you agree

honeybadger1 1y ago

LA is definitely okay with illegal immigrants, but it's akin to a deal with the devil. It's a sacrifice on their part for cheap labor in exchange for the occasional burning down and looting of their favorite locations when the tide turns against their favor as it is right now. There is an entire economic system and mechanism of living wrapped around this blood-contract in states like California. The moment something threatens it, you see them out there burning, looting, basically being a terrorizer to preserve this system. Looking at it from both sides, they are providing cheap labor to the bourgeois, taking a penance and it's agreed that it's okay, and now an outsider is coming in(trump and his administration) threatening that contract and they expect the state leaders to protect them, as they currently are with their inaction and posturing that everything is fine and safe until Trump opened his big mouth and showed force. The inaction and posturing not being effective, now they are out there punishing the elite for not protecting them by burning down the city they love, and love for them to work in, like slave labor. Everyone knows this to be the case in LA, the argument is does ICE have the right to go in and mass-raid? I believe it does act in the interest of the state, but I also believe that no party has ever wanted to solve the issue of illegal but otherwise law-abiding people having a path to be legal, and that issue also should also be of great interest to the state.

beyondHelp 1y ago
Also, the downvoting provides very deep insight of thinking that has taken over. These people have no critical thinking - not to mention self-criticism, as that has been carefully rooted out - apparently knowledge is not important, but education. The paid actors in streets are not the main problem of USA, but whole generation of imbeciles, that can't take responsibility of their own - not to mention for whole country. Count how many gray posts are here and think what will happen when they will all leave. Not to mention that this site is Reddit v2.0 and have the same result and that is not coincidence.
- vips7L 1y ago
  > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. > Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

beyondHelp 1y ago

You are posting on a site, that is part of the problem of anti-government thinking without placing any other government structure in place.