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And he wants to root out DEI so it will cause protests and then riots, so that he can declare martial law. They said they would do this, and we see it coming tr

And he wants to root out DEI so it will cause protests and then riots, so that he can declare martial law. They said they would do this, and we see it coming true now. I don't recognize the country I grew up in under this administration.

giardini 1y ago
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deepsun 1y ago
That's how dictatorship started in Belarus: a democratically elected president started violating the Constitution, and parlamentaries (aka congressmen) prepared the impeachment. Most active ones suddenly disappeared, those who protested got thrown out of the congress hall by guards by the order of president. Others got the message.
- ActorNightly 1y ago
  Yep. And basically, as soon as that happens in US (which is a matter of when, not if, because Trump is for sure not going to let Dems win who will start prosecuting him and his cronies for all the blatantly illegal shit he has done), its time to leave the country.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    Wouldn't now be the time to leave? A lot of people normally get stuck behind.
  - cosmicgadget 1y ago
    No, SCOTUS gave him de facto immunity for everything he does in office. He's either explicitly immune, presumptively immune, or not immune but only after numerous interlocutory appeals. And that's just his first layer of insulation from legal liability.
    - ActorNightly 1y ago
      Immune from criminal prosecution, but if Dems actually had someone with balls in charge, they can go after a lot of his stuff like seizing funds, sanctioning businesses, and so on (cause in all likelyhood, they are funded by his crypto scams and insider trading)
      - johnnyanmac 1y ago
        Also note only the president is immune. Bondi can still be charged. Hegseth can still be held liable. Elon Musk wasn't even elected nor approved by anyone in office. I do hope we have our version of a Numenburg trials one day, but I also wouldn't be surprised if all these people squirm under the cracks once their near octogenarian rallying point declines.
        monetus 1y ago
        One question that they presume the answer to iiuc, is that they have a pardon waiting for them. - an inverted sword of Damocles hanging out waiting to save them. IMO, many probably do, but plenty who think they will be safe don't have the right profile and will only be offered one if they have enough money. Guliani offered them for.. 2 million I think last time? You'll have to check that.
        cosmicgadget 1y ago
        Trump is pardoning people for buying Mar a Lago dinners. He certainly is going to pardon people he considers loyal.
        andrekandre 1y ago
        > Bondi can still be charged. Hegseth can still be held liable. it will become harder of the house budget bill passes in the senate [0] [0] https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/05/27/trumps-budget-contempt/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/05/27/trumps-budget-contemp...
      - deepsun 1y ago
        And repealing the immunity. I think that's a pretty obvious path. It's not like "immunity" is set in stone forever.
- xeonmc 1y ago
  What we need is Samuel L. Jackson and Ryan Reynolds to step up to their task.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  The biggest shame is that it's not like they can't impeach. The majority just doesn't want to. Allies have been betrayed, 401ks have been devastated,, we're at least 7/10 bill of rights amendments broken, and the US weren't from dodging the recession to heading down into a proper one. All in 5 months. But somehow congress thinks it's alright. My only solace right now is that Trump probably isn't in the health to survive to 2028, maybe not even 2027 to get potentially convicted if congress shifts. He's in worse wear in 2025 when Biden in 2024.
  - leptons 1y ago
    >But somehow congress thinks it's alright. It's Republicans that think it's alright. Not "Congress". The Republicans just happen to control what happens in Congress - the Democrats are not complicit at all. Trump can live as long as medically possible, which could be 10 or 20 more years, nobody really knows. Then Trump Jr. is going to take his place as the figurehead, and he'll probably win the next election if there is one. If Trump doesn't make it to the end of his term, we'll have President Vance and VP Miller, or maybe VP Trump Jr. It's not looking good no matter what happens.
  - nradov 1y ago
    It's so weirdb that someone would cite 401(k) performance as a valid reason for impeachment. I don't necessarily support recent Trump administration economic policies but that type of comment shows how disconnected most HN users are from regular US citizens.
lynx97 1y ago
If the DEI bunch is so radicalized that riots can already be predicted, maybe "rooting" it out is a good idea. If you are so entitled to your opinion that you are predictably going for violence, you are the problem. Signed: A person with a disability, unable to support DEI as it stands.
- pixelatedindex 1y ago
  > If the DEI bunch is so radicalized that riots can already be predicted Are the DEI bunch radicalized? I’m not sure I get that vibe. The people who riot and are radicalized probably aren’t out there understanding nuance, being level headed and campaigning for an even playing field. If you can also expound on why you can’t support DEI as it stands I’m open to your thoughts. I have my own reservations about DEI because as a model minority it does me no favors. But it hasn’t harmed me either, or if it has I don’t know any better.
  - lynx97 1y ago
    I don't have any overall statistics, probably because they don't exist. But I can anecdotally report that I have heard radical "we need to force them if they dont listen" rhetoric from the LGBTQ-Circles several times already in the past years. To your other question: I perceive DEI, and most other "inclusion" efforts I've seen so far, mostly as a strawman. We basically failed with digital accessibility and more inclusion in the workplace for people with disabilities. If I am not mistaken, the US and EU still stand somewhere around 80% unemployment for people with disabilities. To me, DEI is an attempt to hide that failure by including a lot more marginalized groups, which at the end of the day do not need so much adaptation as people with disabilities do. So IMO, DEI is trying to hide the fact that inclusion of people with disabilities has already failed. And its mixing up too many groups with different needs. I have absolutely nothing in common with a LGBTQ-person when it comes to my needs as a blind guy. There is no overlap, and I dont feel represented when they have their pride month. But they are so loud that the needs of my community have been silenced by now. Which confirms my intuition with DEI. Meanwhile, teachers are telling me they are working with their classes to find a new word for "disability". If that is the outcome of DEI, people endlessly engaging in wordgames, instead of working on the actual hard problems, I don't need anything from it. Its useless waste of time and dumbing down of the actual problems at hand.
exe34 1y ago
It's his Reichstag fire.
splitstud 1y ago
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ashoeafoot 1y ago
Nobody cares about DEI but the fringe and the republicans needing a straw(*). It was kicked out of academia and research to little fanfare. Get some new material , your old one has run out ..
api 1y ago
The ICE raids are doing a great job of that, which I’m sure is a major goal of that program. They need riots to make their big play. I wish people got that, but unfortunately if you poke the right places you can get people to react.
trod1234 1y ago
In fairness the DEI that is being pushed today is just a modern repackage/rebranding of Maoism which is based in Marxism. It fails economically, given sufficient time, as communism always does absent a Capitalist society generating economic calculation for them. Communism has always been about telling misleading deceitful lies pretending its truth, generating confusion through circular thoughts, promoting magical thinking, and narrowing focus improperly in isolation to perspectives of oppressor vs the oppressed, a perspective where there can never be equality, or the ability to change and become better/grow (i.e. The Woke, who are delusional). The channel New Discourses on youtube has long-running coverage of this referencing these people's own publicized words, and what's been happening, and how it was rebranded by Paulo Freire and others a few decades ago. When you have American companies and government resources going to paying for indoctrinating communism in your worker, educator, or child; and nothing has been being done to stop it... that's a serious problem which would be worthy of declaring martial law over. Failure to act is an action itself. Communism indoctrinating and brainwashing your people towards lies, and turning them to insurgency is a serious national security issue. You objectively aren't an American, if you don't follow the western philosophy's founding ideals laid out by our founding fathers, which was based first in objective truth, property, and a rule of law which itself has requirements codified in the constitution that no court can overrule or curtail and remain a rule of law. The rule of law has been gone for awhile, which is how the communists have not been held to account. It was replaced by a surrogate "rule by law" which favors some small groups over others. People are only just now realizing it. Once the infection has spread too far, you've got to cut if you want a hope for survival. Whether that's good or it turns out to be another 1933 Germany, we will simply have to wait and see. The cause though is irrefutably the result of communism breaking down the protections and destabilizing the system and front-of-line blocking any action from resolving the destabilizing influence. What we are seeing are just the natural dynamics of fascism rising out of the dynamics caused by an attempted communist takeover. Why it matters? Long-term, under non-market socialism, everyone dies from population constraint dependencies (food) where no production can occur. The population goes into a death spiral that cannot be averted because the dynamics of incentives prevent any change of direction which might pull away from that existential maelstrom. It has long been known that Centralized power hierarchies fail predictably from failures inherent in its structure, which include corruption and front-of-line blocking to prevent action/adaptive response, and not just immediately, but over time as well through purposeful frameworks of false thinking. Communists know this, and have used this for decades to weaken and destabilize over generations (a generation is 20 years). Ludwig von Mises rigorously defines, and covers all the structural failures of Communism in his writing from the 1930s through to the 1960s. These works have been aggregated into a single book since then by the Liberty Fund; titled "Socialism", and for all but two of the 23 chapters, its a damning failure analysis of the structure. No rational person pins their and their families continued survival to system's known to fail.

giardini 1y ago

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deepsun 1y ago

That's how dictatorship started in Belarus: a democratically elected president started violating the Constitution, and parlamentaries (aka congressmen) prepared the impeachment. Most active ones suddenly disappeared, those who protested got thrown out of the congress hall by guards by the order of president. Others got the message.

ActorNightly 1y ago
Yep. And basically, as soon as that happens in US (which is a matter of when, not if, because Trump is for sure not going to let Dems win who will start prosecuting him and his cronies for all the blatantly illegal shit he has done), its time to leave the country.
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  Wouldn't now be the time to leave? A lot of people normally get stuck behind.
- cosmicgadget 1y ago
  No, SCOTUS gave him de facto immunity for everything he does in office. He's either explicitly immune, presumptively immune, or not immune but only after numerous interlocutory appeals. And that's just his first layer of insulation from legal liability.
  - ActorNightly 1y ago
    Immune from criminal prosecution, but if Dems actually had someone with balls in charge, they can go after a lot of his stuff like seizing funds, sanctioning businesses, and so on (cause in all likelyhood, they are funded by his crypto scams and insider trading)
    - johnnyanmac 1y ago
      Also note only the president is immune. Bondi can still be charged. Hegseth can still be held liable. Elon Musk wasn't even elected nor approved by anyone in office. I do hope we have our version of a Numenburg trials one day, but I also wouldn't be surprised if all these people squirm under the cracks once their near octogenarian rallying point declines.
      - monetus 1y ago
        One question that they presume the answer to iiuc, is that they have a pardon waiting for them. - an inverted sword of Damocles hanging out waiting to save them. IMO, many probably do, but plenty who think they will be safe don't have the right profile and will only be offered one if they have enough money. Guliani offered them for.. 2 million I think last time? You'll have to check that.
      - cosmicgadget 1y ago
        Trump is pardoning people for buying Mar a Lago dinners. He certainly is going to pardon people he considers loyal.
      - andrekandre 1y ago
        > Bondi can still be charged. Hegseth can still be held liable. it will become harder of the house budget bill passes in the senate [0] [0] https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/05/27/trumps-budget-contempt/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/05/27/trumps-budget-contemp...
    - deepsun 1y ago
      And repealing the immunity. I think that's a pretty obvious path. It's not like "immunity" is set in stone forever.
xeonmc 1y ago
What we need is Samuel L. Jackson and Ryan Reynolds to step up to their task.
johnnyanmac 1y ago
The biggest shame is that it's not like they can't impeach. The majority just doesn't want to. Allies have been betrayed, 401ks have been devastated,, we're at least 7/10 bill of rights amendments broken, and the US weren't from dodging the recession to heading down into a proper one. All in 5 months. But somehow congress thinks it's alright. My only solace right now is that Trump probably isn't in the health to survive to 2028, maybe not even 2027 to get potentially convicted if congress shifts. He's in worse wear in 2025 when Biden in 2024.
- leptons 1y ago
  >But somehow congress thinks it's alright. It's Republicans that think it's alright. Not "Congress". The Republicans just happen to control what happens in Congress - the Democrats are not complicit at all. Trump can live as long as medically possible, which could be 10 or 20 more years, nobody really knows. Then Trump Jr. is going to take his place as the figurehead, and he'll probably win the next election if there is one. If Trump doesn't make it to the end of his term, we'll have President Vance and VP Miller, or maybe VP Trump Jr. It's not looking good no matter what happens.
- nradov 1y ago
  It's so weirdb that someone would cite 401(k) performance as a valid reason for impeachment. I don't necessarily support recent Trump administration economic policies but that type of comment shows how disconnected most HN users are from regular US citizens.

lynx97 1y ago

If the DEI bunch is so radicalized that riots can already be predicted, maybe "rooting" it out is a good idea. If you are so entitled to your opinion that you are predictably going for violence, you are the problem. Signed: A person with a disability, unable to support DEI as it stands.

pixelatedindex 1y ago
> If the DEI bunch is so radicalized that riots can already be predicted Are the DEI bunch radicalized? I’m not sure I get that vibe. The people who riot and are radicalized probably aren’t out there understanding nuance, being level headed and campaigning for an even playing field. If you can also expound on why you can’t support DEI as it stands I’m open to your thoughts. I have my own reservations about DEI because as a model minority it does me no favors. But it hasn’t harmed me either, or if it has I don’t know any better.
- lynx97 1y ago
  I don't have any overall statistics, probably because they don't exist. But I can anecdotally report that I have heard radical "we need to force them if they dont listen" rhetoric from the LGBTQ-Circles several times already in the past years. To your other question: I perceive DEI, and most other "inclusion" efforts I've seen so far, mostly as a strawman. We basically failed with digital accessibility and more inclusion in the workplace for people with disabilities. If I am not mistaken, the US and EU still stand somewhere around 80% unemployment for people with disabilities. To me, DEI is an attempt to hide that failure by including a lot more marginalized groups, which at the end of the day do not need so much adaptation as people with disabilities do. So IMO, DEI is trying to hide the fact that inclusion of people with disabilities has already failed. And its mixing up too many groups with different needs. I have absolutely nothing in common with a LGBTQ-person when it comes to my needs as a blind guy. There is no overlap, and I dont feel represented when they have their pride month. But they are so loud that the needs of my community have been silenced by now. Which confirms my intuition with DEI. Meanwhile, teachers are telling me they are working with their classes to find a new word for "disability". If that is the outcome of DEI, people endlessly engaging in wordgames, instead of working on the actual hard problems, I don't need anything from it. Its useless waste of time and dumbing down of the actual problems at hand.

exe34 1y ago

It's his Reichstag fire.

splitstud 1y ago

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ashoeafoot 1y ago

Nobody cares about DEI but the fringe and the republicans needing a straw(*). It was kicked out of academia and research to little fanfare. Get some new material , your old one has run out ..

api 1y ago

The ICE raids are doing a great job of that, which I’m sure is a major goal of that program. They need riots to make their big play. I wish people got that, but unfortunately if you poke the right places you can get people to react.

trod1234 1y ago

In fairness the DEI that is being pushed today is just a modern repackage/rebranding of Maoism which is based in Marxism. It fails economically, given sufficient time, as communism always does absent a Capitalist society generating economic calculation for them. Communism has always been about telling misleading deceitful lies pretending its truth, generating confusion through circular thoughts, promoting magical thinking, and narrowing focus improperly in isolation to perspectives of oppressor vs the oppressed, a perspective where there can never be equality, or the ability to change and become better/grow (i.e. The Woke, who are delusional). The channel New Discourses on youtube has long-running coverage of this referencing these people's own publicized words, and what's been happening, and how it was rebranded by Paulo Freire and others a few decades ago. When you have American companies and government resources going to paying for indoctrinating communism in your worker, educator, or child; and nothing has been being done to stop it... that's a serious problem which would be worthy of declaring martial law over. Failure to act is an action itself. Communism indoctrinating and brainwashing your people towards lies, and turning them to insurgency is a serious national security issue. You objectively aren't an American, if you don't follow the western philosophy's founding ideals laid out by our founding fathers, which was based first in objective truth, property, and a rule of law which itself has requirements codified in the constitution that no court can overrule or curtail and remain a rule of law. The rule of law has been gone for awhile, which is how the communists have not been held to account. It was replaced by a surrogate "rule by law" which favors some small groups over others. People are only just now realizing it. Once the infection has spread too far, you've got to cut if you want a hope for survival. Whether that's good or it turns out to be another 1933 Germany, we will simply have to wait and see. The cause though is irrefutably the result of communism breaking down the protections and destabilizing the system and front-of-line blocking any action from resolving the destabilizing influence. What we are seeing are just the natural dynamics of fascism rising out of the dynamics caused by an attempted communist takeover. Why it matters? Long-term, under non-market socialism, everyone dies from population constraint dependencies (food) where no production can occur. The population goes into a death spiral that cannot be averted because the dynamics of incentives prevent any change of direction which might pull away from that existential maelstrom. It has long been known that Centralized power hierarchies fail predictably from failures inherent in its structure, which include corruption and front-of-line blocking to prevent action/adaptive response, and not just immediately, but over time as well through purposeful frameworks of false thinking. Communists know this, and have used this for decades to weaken and destabilize over generations (a generation is 20 years). Ludwig von Mises rigorously defines, and covers all the structural failures of Communism in his writing from the 1930s through to the 1960s. These works have been aggregated into a single book since then by the Liberty Fund; titled "Socialism", and for all but two of the 23 chapters, its a damning failure analysis of the structure. No rational person pins their and their families continued survival to system's known to fail.