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Everyone in the VC community who helped elect President Trump is partially responsible for each child that suffers and dies from a vaccine-preventable disease d
by _elf 1y ago
Everyone in the VC community who helped elect President Trump is partially responsible for each child that suffers and dies from a vaccine-preventable disease due to this action.
- add-sub-mul-div 1y agoYou need to frame this in terms of quantifiable material loss to them in order for there to be a chance that they'd care.
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- brianbest101 1y ago[dead]
- lbrito 1y agoThat won't help much because the quantifiable material loss in that scenario wouldn't be much.
- normalaccess 1y agoAnd if he is right the gain will far outweigh the loss.
- magicalist 1y ago> And if he is right the gain will far outweigh the loss So is your suggestion that medical policy based on balancing humours is actually effective altruism?
- normalaccess 1y agoBalancing humors? Odd way to phrase that. I am saying that if you save 1 kid in an extreme situation but injured 1000 to do it you are causing more harm than good. Our current policies favor fearmongering and cherry-picking to influence people to seek medical treatment that they don't need and come with side effects. The fact that Doctors get paid a kickback for high child VAX percentages alone is enough to make me toss out the whole idea.
- consumer451 1y agoYou should post this as a market on Polymarket.
- bigfatkitten 1y agoYou don’t become a VC by being the sort of person who cares about these things.
- vrosas 1y agoVC: “I pretended to be a good person because that’s what I thought would make me successful and people love me.” Everyone: “we can tell you’re an entitled dbag.” VC: “well now I’m going to act like an entitled dbag and it’s your fault.” - Me paraphrasing his actual interview. You know who I’m talking about.
- hn_throwaway_99 1y ago> Me paraphrasing his actual interview. You know who I’m talking <about>. No, we don't, because not all of us watch the same media or follow the same threads.
- 0_____0 1y agosame boat as you but I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess Thiel
- _9ptr 1y agoI don't know what a VC is and at this point I'm afraid to ask
- drivingmenuts 1y agoVenture Capitalist
- sanswork 1y agoHow did you find yourself on HN and not know what VC means?
- _9ptr 1y agoThe concept of venture capital is not new to me, but I haven't needed an abbreviation for it until now. Also, I didn't really see the connection to the US election and vaccines.
- basisword 1y agoAs long as they're making money they do not care.
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- mecsred 1y agoThank you Spock.
- pron 1y agoThere's no appeal to emotion here. They're saying that people who had an outsized influence in electing this administration have an outsized responsibility for its outcomes. Also, people dying or getting ill isn't an emotion.
- nozzlegear 1y agoLabeling someone's argument a fallacy without addressing the substance does nothing but dodge the point, nor does it prove the argument incorrect. It's specious; an argument from fallacy.
- dekhn 1y agowhich would matter if we were using logical arguments about unambiguous things. So far as I can tell, the only thing which can be argued about logically is mathematics.
- almosthere 1y agoI'll accept that in exchange for making it so people can sue pharma companies for VI.
- chris_wot 1y agoDear god, there are mechanisms in place for this already, and they are so loose they are farcical. It’s incredible when I read this sort of comment, and then I realise that the comment is so badly ill informed that I need to respond. But it does make me wonder what sources of information the other person is reading…
- jbritton 1y agoWell then what are you reading. It’s well known that Pfizer and Moderna required immunity from lawsuits in order to provide the vaccine and every country gave them that immunity. Here it is from CNBC. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effec... Perhaps you were thinking about compensation from the government, but the original poster was talking about actually holding Pfizer and Moderna liable.
- ethbr1 1y agoOkay, work it out for me: how was that a bad trade for world governments and society? People still have an avenue to sue for harm -- they can sue the government. The government took on that liability in exchange for preventing the spread of a highly pathogenic, novel pandemic with moderate mortality, thereby allowing return to normal life, with fewer deaths, faster. Which part of that was a bad idea?
- thephyber 1y agoYour parent is making a useless complaint. VI claims are still paid (faster, with lower standard of evidence, and cheaper to everyone involved). Lawsuits that go through court involve law firms and the investigations become extremely expensive for everyone. Manufacturers (and rhetorical supply+delivery chain) are monitored by medical orgs and the federal government to ensure the doses remain safe, after passing the initial trials. These review systems catch incidents like the Samoa measles vaccine incident (in which a few nurses were at fault for injecting from the wrong bottles, which RFKJr was on the wrong side of) and other incidents where some vials were contaminated. Unless a VI plaintiff can prove gross negligence, the outcome is better under the current system. If they can prove gross negligence, they can still take a manufacturer (or any other defendant involved in the supply chain) to court. The government decided that vaccines are a public health net positive and designed to current system to spread the risk across manufacturers and the government to ensure the cost of litigation didn’t eliminate this very useful tool.
- flanked-evergl 1y agoTrump was elected by Americans, not the VC community.
- pier25 1y agoThe proportion of people who donated significant money is probably higher in vcs than the general population.
- flanked-evergl 1y agoProbably? Like do you have the actual probability?
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- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y agoWow this is unpopular, but you're right!
- ethbr1 1y agoI think what gets people's goat is the VC community crowing about being farsighted futurists... and then acting just as human and shortsighted as everyone else. Hence the schadenfreude. It's one thing to be wrong with everyone. It's another to be wrong after a ton of people said "This is a dumb idea."
- consumer451 1y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
- lotsofpulp 1y agoI don’t see what this has to do with Trump receiving the most votes. The public had ample access to evidence that Trump is a traitor, among other things.
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- acdha 1y agoWhen, exactly, did a Democratic appointee purge scientists because they didn’t want to accept the medical community’s consensus?
- cosmicgadget 1y agoI am totally happy with the consequences Papa John suffered for protected speech. Are you not?
- King-Aaron 1y agoWhat is it with this bullshit "oh they do it too" kind of argument? Aside from it being preschool logic, the Democrats have never been so egregiously anti-science and anti-evidence in their approach to policy. This is not a case of "both sides bad", as much as some people seem to need it to be in order to process what's going on.
- cyanydeez 1y agoUnions, pension funds, and other real social bodies need to realize theyre being undermined.
- potato3732842 1y agoGoing down this whole group blame road is gonna turn out way worse for you thank you think. But hey, what do I know, maybe you're 80yo and working on a short time horizon. And this is coming from someone who abhors that business model and everyone in it.
- directevolve 1y agoIt’s not “group blame” - it’s accurately naming the specific wealthy people who put this kleptocrat in office for a tax break.
- sershe 1y agoSo, does that mean that everybody who helped elect everybody who shaped FDA is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths? I mean I sympathize, but seems a little extreme https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/08/is-the-fda-too-conservative-or-too-aggressive.html https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/08/is... Oh and to be clear my attitude towards antivaxxers is burn by /slow/ fire, but still.
- overfeed 1y agoI hope everyone remembers the deluge of gloating blog posts and podcast appearances by the SV tech (thought-)leadership from early February 2025, before the wheels predictably fell off.