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It’s more of a ticking time bomb because it relies so heavily on upstream model providers who all have competing products, particularly Claude Code.
by nojs 1y ago
It’s more of a ticking time bomb because it relies so heavily on upstream model providers who all have competing products, particularly Claude Code.
- Aeolun 1y agoUntil Claude Code becomes manageable price wise, I don’t think Cursor really sees them as their competition. I can burn the whole cursor subscription price in a single day with Claude Code.
- myth_drannon 1y agoThey just announced Claude Code will come with the pro subscription ($20)
- falcor84 1y agoInteresting, but the limit is really low: > Pro ($20/month): Average users can send approximately 45 messages with Claude every 5 hours, OR send approximately 10-40 prompts with Claude Code every 5 hours. [0] I can probably run through that in 5 minutes. [0] https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/11145838-using-claude-code-with-your-pro-or-max-plan https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/11145838-using-cla...
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- ghiculescu 1y agoI’ve been running on this plan all morning (Australia time). Amazing value.
- vunderba 1y agoYeah, if you're a heavy user of Claude code, you pretty much need to use it with a Max subscription rather than a BYOK approach. But that starts at $100 / month so it's a significant bump from cursor.
- unmole 1y ago> need to use it with a Max subscription rather than a BYOK Why is that?
- steveklabnik 1y agoMax is far cheaper.
- coolKid721 1y agoFor any professional SWE 1/200 a month is basically nothing in terms of the value it delivers. They just rolled it out to the 20/month plan with limited usage but as soon as people get used to it I have no idea why they wouldn't upgrade unless they are just entering the field and don't have a job yet.
- goosejuice 1y agoAnyone pulling that a month not working for themselves doesn't have to think about the cost. That kind of salary is paid by corps with strict privacy policies. Unless you do nothing else with your time I'm not sure how you'd utilize the $100/mo plan fully.
- coolKid721 1y agothe pricing is for token usage in 5/hr windows not monthly caps. if you use it intensely a couple times a month within a 5hr window it's not hard to hit the cap and want to upgrade. Personally I just work on some side projects during work on another monitor and just every half an hour so throw something at it and that's been very valuable for me.
- goosejuice 1y ago225 messages every 5 hours? You hit that on the side while you're doing your day job? I suppose if you push all work to Claude and do nothing else all day it could be a concern but I don't think it would be a very effective way to work in it's current state unless you want to be left with a giant mess. I admit their transparency around limits is a bit questionable. Why don't they just list out the tokens and remaining time?
- mogili 1y agoI use with the Max plan ($100 per mo) and its well worth the money and only hit the limit once so far.
- artdigital 1y agoI’m now also on Max but had to upgrade to the 200 plan in about a week of daily rate limits The $200 plan so far has been fine. Only had it once that it looked like I might hit the limit soon, but that was a very heavy refactoring task
- travbrack 1y agoI'm surprised nobody is mentioning how cheap copilot pro is. $20 and you get all you can eat inference without using your own api key for the models on vs code agent mode.
- artdigital 1y agoI’m on Pro+ and get rate limited heavily. 1-2 hours of semi heavy use and the brakes kick in. I can’t stay productive in it because this always rips me out
- Aeolun 1y agoAll copilot models feel lobotomized. It’s like they’re deliberately running them at low performance or something.
- goosejuice 1y agoCopilot pales in comparison to Cursor Pro. I've trialed it three or four times in the last two years and stopped using it after a few days each time. Honestly, I have no idea why anyone pays for it given the alternatives. My only wish is that Cursor had partnered with Zed. vscode isn't enjoyable.
- nextos 1y agoI've found Emacs plus gptel very pleasant to use. And following the ethos of Emacs, it is backend agnostic and very malleable. Besides, if you want something inexpensive, using Gemini 2.0 Flash as a backend is completely free. Google provides an API key at no cost.
- fhd2 1y agoHa, same. How do you use it? I tried all the fancy context management stuff multiple times, but I mostly just have a chat buffer open and copy paste stuff manually. Text wrangling is so damn efficient in Emacs. I pay around 10$ to Anthropic per month in API tokens for pretty heavy usage. With deliberate context management (I found keeping it small and focused vastly improves responses), cost is really not an issue. Didn't try anything agentic within Emacs yet, don't find that helpful enough so far.
- karthink 1y ago> tried all the fancy context management stuff multiple times, but I mostly just have a chat buffer open and copy paste stuff manually. As of last week you can insert a link to a plain-text file in a chat buffer to include its contents in the prompt. It must be on a line by itself. In Markdown it looks [like this](/path/to/file) with Org links in Org chat buffers. This feature is disabled by default to minimize confusion. To enable it you can flip the header line button that says "ignoring media" to "sending media". This works for sending images and other media too, if the model supports it.
- fhd2 1y agoNice! I love how practical gptel is :D
- nextos 1y ago> How do you use it? I have a global bind for gptel-send (C-c g). Then, in any buffer, I typically type C-u C-c g. This lets me customize the prompt and lots of parameters, such as the context, before gptel-send is actually called.
- insane_dreamer 1y agoClaude Code now comes with the $20 Pro subscription plan.
- artursapek 1y agoThe $17 Claude pro sub has access to Claude Code now, at a fixed cost. Cursor also hits limits. I spent $350 on Cursor overage in like a week.
- ramoz 1y agoI think about this daily. More devs are starting to pick up on Claude Code. The initial “not an IDE!” scare is usually diminished within the initial session. I don’t think the future of agentic software development is in an IDE. Claude Code gives me power to orchestrate - the UX has nothing to do with terminal; it just turns out an agent that lives on the OS and in the filesystem is a powerful thing. Anthropic can and will evolve Claude Code at a pace cursor cannot evolve IDE abstractions. And then yea - they are designing the perfect wrapper because they are also designing the model. Long bet is Claude Code becomes more of an OS.
- steveklabnik 1y agoYou might find this post interesting: https://steipete.me/posts/2025/claude-code-is-my-computer https://steipete.me/posts/2025/claude-code-is-my-computer It… sure is something. I’m still thinking about if it’s horrible, visionary, or both.
- ramoz 1y agoWow yea, definitely resonates thanks for sharing. This is why I think the future may be less about “agents” and more about “intelligent infrastructure” I don’t want to chat. I want to point a wand and make things happen.
- Hyperboreanal 1y agoNote: the text of that article itself is AI generated. > Automate Content: Like this very post. I use Wispr Flow to talk with Claude, explain the topic and tell it to read my past blog posts to write in my style.
- JimDabell 1y agoNow I have the mental image of the owner of that blog tearing his hair out trying to get back into his computer, while the AI that locked him out is happily posting on his blog trying to convince other gullible humans to hand over control of their computers.
- geekraver 1y agoAnd models eat apps over time. If you build an app that’s valuable, OpenAI takes note.