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Is there a reason they can't simple lower the price if this is true? How can it possibly be better for Tesla to let trucks rot ranther than sell for less? Me a

Is there a reason they can't simple lower the price if this is true? How can it possibly be better for Tesla to let trucks rot ranther than sell for less? Me and I'm sure others would love one at like the $5,000 price range.

PlunderBunny 1y ago
I suspect that would be a good price for a big battery that was (somewhat) portable.
CamperBob2 1y ago
It's probably similar to the question of why commercial real estate is allowed to sit empty for years. If they lower the rent to attract tenants, suddenly the building is "worth" less than it was. That makes it harder for the developer to borrow money using the building as collateral, and potentially triggers some awkward clauses in the terms of existing loans. In the case of the unsold Tesla inventory, marking to market would make the whole company worth less. Tesla stockholders expect the company to tell them a good story, and writing down the entire fleet of Incel Caminos would be a bad story.
Havoc 1y ago
Lowering prices screws up company valuations and stock prices
- nradov 1y ago
  That's not how valuations work.
  - bwoj 1y ago
    Untrue. Unsold inventory must be represented on the balance sheet as an asset. Marking down the value of 1000’s of cybertrucks will drop the book value of the company. It will impact various financial ratios that are used to estimate value. Worse yet, a public admission that they can’t sell these things can undermine the confidence which is the only thing propping up the stock’s value right now.
    - nradov 1y ago
      That's not how valuations work. The investors with enough capital to affect stock prices are not ignorant of the inventory situation, nor are they fooled by assets held on the balance sheet above fair market value. Your comment is extremely naive and quite disconnected from reality.
      - Reubachi 1y ago
        The person you're replying to/insulting spelled/realized out the normal operations of a mature capitalist economy based on publicly owned/traded companies. I'm not being "conspiracy theorist" here, it's how it is and how the economy insulates itself from shock/swings. To your point on "investors not being ignorant", have you followed the last 5 years of tesla stock valuation, and the constant signal that "this company P/E is disconnected from reality?" Meaning, despite no sales growth, consumer goodwill, etc. investors continued to dump money in? We see the reverse effect now, a slow massive draw down on stock value. Anyway. In the real world, a board(and also in particular the finance director) is more like to completely write off the unsold fleet, as it would allow both tax insulation and a more clean financial statement for auditing, investors. Mazda recently did this with the entire MX-30 program to signal to investors "this was actually intended from the beginning and allowed us EV research." This happens in every single industry every day. Where Tesla to just mark the trucks down, that instantly signals to investors (note: not experts.) that there is a cash problem at the firm. There is nothing worse to signal as a public company.
        nradov 1y ago
        That's not how valuations work. P/E ratio is just one factor, and a minor one at that for growth stocks. It's possible that Tesla will underperform the market but you could say the same about any volatile stock. Your claim about writing off the unsold inventory is just silly, and displays a stunning ignorance of the basics of corporate income tax law and accounting. The vehicles will eventually be sold, perhaps at a deeply discounted price. They won't be just tossed in a landfill or something. Marking down assets has zero impact on cash or cash flow so your comment about that makes no sense at all. The main shareholders are sophisticated institutional investors who aren't fooled by simplistic financial engineering tricks.
  - Havoc 1y ago
    If you sells stuff at half the price you did before I assure you the valuation ain’t staying put
    - nradov 1y ago
      This information is already priced in.
      - Topfi 1y ago
        You clearly seem to know more than me in this regard, so I hope it's ok if I ask you: While the current demand being priced in by some investors may be correct, wouldn't a lowering of the sale price still have to be reflected in TSLAs public disclosures and couldn't that still have an impact, both for investors and creditors? Mind you, I tried my hand at shorting TSLA a long while (nearly a decade) back and learned, as many who undertook this, that rationality/EMH would likely never apply to their valuation. Made that (and then some) back thanks to Twitter though, so all is well, but not exactly coming at the idea of applying sensible concepts to TSLA neutrally.
        nradov 1y ago
        By priced in I mean that investors are already aware that Cybertruck unit sales and revenue will inevitably be low. Whether Tesla eventually lowers prices is irrelevant to stock valuation. This was always a low volume product anyway and not expected to have a huge impact on the bottom line either positive or negative.
1659447091 1y ago
It's a status symbol. It completely misses the mark on truck ownership. It's almost as if they had some private jet owning billionaire who has never worked a day of manual labor design the thing, but probably once waved an inactive chainsaw around while doing weird vocalizing sounds. The "frunk" storage is a joke, the bed design means no easy access toolbox (an actual useful one for people who have a truck for utility). I absolutely would not take that thing off-road, unless the idea of off-road means relativity flat dry dirt area close to the main road and charging stations. The 2021 Texas snowmageddon had many areas without power for up to a week. I saw multiple vehicles that had slide off roads and been abandoned in ditches. Yet my gas powered 4x4 worked like a champ that helped friends get groceries and go to their essential functioning jobs. The cybertruck is great if you want to let people know you have money and "truck" owner, which no one cares about except them. And as an extended family member likes to remind me with the photos of her rubicon rescuing trucks trying to keep up with her jeep club, trucks and jeeps are for getting work done, not cruising the highway. Tesla should look at what jeep and the truck companies are doing with electric -- they understand why people buy them -- and work from there.

PlunderBunny 1y ago

I suspect that would be a good price for a big battery that was (somewhat) portable.

CamperBob2 1y ago

It's probably similar to the question of why commercial real estate is allowed to sit empty for years. If they lower the rent to attract tenants, suddenly the building is "worth" less than it was. That makes it harder for the developer to borrow money using the building as collateral, and potentially triggers some awkward clauses in the terms of existing loans. In the case of the unsold Tesla inventory, marking to market would make the whole company worth less. Tesla stockholders expect the company to tell them a good story, and writing down the entire fleet of Incel Caminos would be a bad story.

Havoc 1y ago

Lowering prices screws up company valuations and stock prices

nradov 1y ago
That's not how valuations work.
- bwoj 1y ago
  Untrue. Unsold inventory must be represented on the balance sheet as an asset. Marking down the value of 1000’s of cybertrucks will drop the book value of the company. It will impact various financial ratios that are used to estimate value. Worse yet, a public admission that they can’t sell these things can undermine the confidence which is the only thing propping up the stock’s value right now.
  - nradov 1y ago
    That's not how valuations work. The investors with enough capital to affect stock prices are not ignorant of the inventory situation, nor are they fooled by assets held on the balance sheet above fair market value. Your comment is extremely naive and quite disconnected from reality.
    - Reubachi 1y ago
      The person you're replying to/insulting spelled/realized out the normal operations of a mature capitalist economy based on publicly owned/traded companies. I'm not being "conspiracy theorist" here, it's how it is and how the economy insulates itself from shock/swings. To your point on "investors not being ignorant", have you followed the last 5 years of tesla stock valuation, and the constant signal that "this company P/E is disconnected from reality?" Meaning, despite no sales growth, consumer goodwill, etc. investors continued to dump money in? We see the reverse effect now, a slow massive draw down on stock value. Anyway. In the real world, a board(and also in particular the finance director) is more like to completely write off the unsold fleet, as it would allow both tax insulation and a more clean financial statement for auditing, investors. Mazda recently did this with the entire MX-30 program to signal to investors "this was actually intended from the beginning and allowed us EV research." This happens in every single industry every day. Where Tesla to just mark the trucks down, that instantly signals to investors (note: not experts.) that there is a cash problem at the firm. There is nothing worse to signal as a public company.
      - nradov 1y ago
        That's not how valuations work. P/E ratio is just one factor, and a minor one at that for growth stocks. It's possible that Tesla will underperform the market but you could say the same about any volatile stock. Your claim about writing off the unsold inventory is just silly, and displays a stunning ignorance of the basics of corporate income tax law and accounting. The vehicles will eventually be sold, perhaps at a deeply discounted price. They won't be just tossed in a landfill or something. Marking down assets has zero impact on cash or cash flow so your comment about that makes no sense at all. The main shareholders are sophisticated institutional investors who aren't fooled by simplistic financial engineering tricks.
- Havoc 1y ago
  If you sells stuff at half the price you did before I assure you the valuation ain’t staying put
  - nradov 1y ago
    This information is already priced in.
    - Topfi 1y ago
      You clearly seem to know more than me in this regard, so I hope it's ok if I ask you: While the current demand being priced in by some investors may be correct, wouldn't a lowering of the sale price still have to be reflected in TSLAs public disclosures and couldn't that still have an impact, both for investors and creditors? Mind you, I tried my hand at shorting TSLA a long while (nearly a decade) back and learned, as many who undertook this, that rationality/EMH would likely never apply to their valuation. Made that (and then some) back thanks to Twitter though, so all is well, but not exactly coming at the idea of applying sensible concepts to TSLA neutrally.
      - nradov 1y ago
        By priced in I mean that investors are already aware that Cybertruck unit sales and revenue will inevitably be low. Whether Tesla eventually lowers prices is irrelevant to stock valuation. This was always a low volume product anyway and not expected to have a huge impact on the bottom line either positive or negative.

1659447091 1y ago

It's a status symbol. It completely misses the mark on truck ownership. It's almost as if they had some private jet owning billionaire who has never worked a day of manual labor design the thing, but probably once waved an inactive chainsaw around while doing weird vocalizing sounds. The "frunk" storage is a joke, the bed design means no easy access toolbox (an actual useful one for people who have a truck for utility). I absolutely would not take that thing off-road, unless the idea of off-road means relativity flat dry dirt area close to the main road and charging stations. The 2021 Texas snowmageddon had many areas without power for up to a week. I saw multiple vehicles that had slide off roads and been abandoned in ditches. Yet my gas powered 4x4 worked like a champ that helped friends get groceries and go to their essential functioning jobs. The cybertruck is great if you want to let people know you have money and "truck" owner, which no one cares about except them. And as an extended family member likes to remind me with the photos of her rubicon rescuing trucks trying to keep up with her jeep club, trucks and jeeps are for getting work done, not cruising the highway. Tesla should look at what jeep and the truck companies are doing with electric -- they understand why people buy them -- and work from there.