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> Having social space that's limited to a set of people one knows, more or less, and that has rules on behavior seems like a civilizing influence that's missing
by rchaud 1y ago
> Having social space that's limited to a set of people one knows, more or less, and that has rules on behavior seems like a civilizing influence that's missing today.
You just described a country club, right down to the innate classism and exclusivity rules.
- BurningFrog 1y agoAre male only country clubs legal?
- Slava_Propanei 1y ago[dead]
- rchaud 1y agoNo, but just like everywhere else, you can engineer a byzantine set of hoops to jump through so that the only people who "qualify" end up being the "preferred" sort of clientele.
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- chasebank 1y agoProbably not, but the country clubs where I live all have men's locker rooms that have full bars, poker tables, and lounge areas with big screen tv's.
- Simulacra 1y agoThey may not be able to call themselves male only, but there are many private organizations that are all men. The Augusta national golf course was one for a long time
- superb_dev 1y agoI have to ask, is the locker room clubhouse clothing optional?
- TimorousBestie 1y agoIt’s a locker room; making them not clothing optional defeats the purpose.
- superb_dev 1y agoI’m talking about the non-locker room parts of this locker room
- ToucanLoucan 1y agoWhy do they need to be male-only to solve the male loneliness epidemic? Why can't men socialize in public spaces in a way that isn't offensive to others? I say this as a former dude who has spent the vast, vast, vast majority of my life as a man, socializing with men and not-men, in public. I have never had a single issue.
- krisboyz781 1y agoSame reason why women like having women spaces. There certain experiences exclusive to being a male.
- ToucanLoucan 1y agoExample?
- ivanmontillam 1y agoCigar smoking.
- jerk-o 1y agoI know of an older woman (has grandkids) who smokes cigars at the cigar shop I smoke at. The discussions with "The Boys" are different when she's around.
- ToucanLoucan 1y agoI'll have to let my HR manager know women can't smoke cigars. She clearly doesn't know, went through a bunch at our last company meeting.
- dingnuts 1y agocandid discussion of relations with the opposite sex without fear of offense
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- pmc3 1y agoNot only are they legal, many male only city clubs exist today! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gentlemen%27s_clubs_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gentlemen%27s_clubs_in... Male-only country clubs also exist although are slightly more controversial and less common, such as Burning Tree, Garden City, Butler National, Augusta National (until the last ~10 years), Pine Valley (until the last few years). The unfortunate reality for most of us is that these places are among the most desirable and hardest clubs to be accepted to in the world - and we probably wouldn't get in.
- BurningFrog 1y agoMaybe it's time start new and less desirable clubs for the common man.
- pmc3 1y agoA lot of new clubs are currently being founded in NYC and London in particular. They're expensive to run, so they often target a wealthier demographic who can pay.
- Aloisius 1y ago> many male only city clubs exist today! Em. Nearly all clubs on that page that I checked are open to women or no longer exist. Several appear to be women-only social clubs, placed on the page by mistake.
- zerocrates 1y agoPrivate clubs have an exemption in several of the key civil rights laws, so they often can discriminate where businesses open to the public could not. They can run into trouble when they allow the public to use their facilities, or grant membership so freely that they start to seem like they aren't really private.
- eesmith 1y agoIn the US? Absolutely. Private clubs have a broad ability to discriminate. For an example of gender discrimination at private golf clubs: https://www.golflink.com/lifestyle/no-women-past-rock-chicagos-mens-only-golf-clubs https://www.golflink.com/lifestyle/no-women-past-rock-chicag... lists Old Elm, Bob O'Link, Butler National, and Black Sheep Golf Club as four Chicago area male-only golf clubs. > Perhaps no club makes its restriction more apparent than Black Sheep. At the end of the club’s lengthy driveway sits a large rock and the internal slogan amongst members is, “No Women Past the Rock.” https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/2013806-black-sheep-golf-club-thoughts-cost-etc/ https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/2013806-black-sheep-golf-cl... has a comment from last year verifying that gender restriction. I have not verified the others.
- amelius 1y agoOf course, there are also women only gyms/fitness clubs.
- Retric 1y agoCountry club’s are really a subset of this kind of thing and tend to have an overly wide membership to the point where you’re unlikely to know every member. The VFW is another modern take that’s got a very different vibe. Similarly historically it wasn’t just elitist hangouts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_men's_club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_men's_club
- piuantiderp 1y agoYou just haven't been to a good one.
- dmit 1y agoDoes one need to be a true Scotsman to attend
- mrguyorama 1y agoNotably, VFWs are struggling because the Vietnam vets are not very welcoming to the War on Terror vets. No women to blame there. What is the cause of the male loneliness epidemic then?
- BeFlatXIII 1y agoIs it resentment between draftees and volunteers?
- Sohcahtoa82 1y agoThe fact that anybody would blame women for the supposed male loneliness epidemic is just wild to me.
- Aeolun 1y agoIsn’t the whole point that you get people of similar socioeconomic status? Half the reason expensive things are sometimes nicer is that there’s no massive crowd in those stores.
- gadders 1y agoYou also had Working Men's clubs and the British Legion for the working classes in the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_men%27s_club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_men%27s_club
- unethical_ban 1y agoIt sounds great. Like a bar, but you know that if they're there, they know a few people and aren't crazy.