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Ah yes, this is how we will be competitive - defunding universities, deporting the best and brightest, dismantling education, and cutting off trade. I mean ser

Ah yes, this is how we will be competitive - defunding universities, deporting the best and brightest, dismantling education, and cutting off trade. I mean seriously, if a malicious saboteur was running things, what would the differences be?

0x5f3759df-i 1y ago
They’d probably try to be more subtle about it.
- scrubs 1y ago
  Whence the salient and more pressing question: why does the gop in the legislative branch take a zero? We've all had bad bosses ... and that's a problem, but it's 10x worse when the people around know better and do nothing.
  - paulryanrogers 1y ago
    They're afraid of losing to a primary challenger if they break with Trump. It used to be a Trump endorsement would hurt your campaign. Now a Trump critique is believed to be a scarlet letter. He's got a lock on the racist zealots that make up the most consistent voting bloc in the GOP.
    - QuarterReptile 1y ago
      They never picked off Newhouse, IIRC.
neumann 1y ago
They (the current administration) doesn't want to be competitive. They want to be in full control and willing to destroy any institution, organization or person that opposes them, internal or external.
- spacemadness 1y ago
  Can we say "fascism" out loud yet or are moderates still pretending everything is fine?
  - esseph 1y ago
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  - trealira 1y ago
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    - kristopolous 1y ago
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    - rawgabbit 1y ago
      Trump won because those in control of the Democratic Party underestimated the anger and economic desperation of the working class. They can’t afford rent or groceries. Medical and dental care are a distant dream. If the Democrats only messaging is DEI, inclusivity and girl/woman power… they view the Democrats as out of touch. It is the equivalent of Let Them Eat Cake or brioche. And I do believe in DEI, inclusivity and women’s rights. But if the working class are struggling, it is tragically comic not to address their primary concerns first.
      - watwut 1y ago
        Trump won, because he and project 2025 represent what conservative Christians want and because republican party want it. And people forever blaming anyone else are just enablers. This has nothing to do with what democrats do or signal. That is utterly irrelevant. Republicans are the ones bringing up gender, trans issues etc into discussion again and again. Not democrats. > They can’t afford rent or groceries. Medical and dental care are a distant dream. No, because vote for Trump and republicans is vote for higher prices, more expensive healthcare and tax cuts for rich. Every single time. This is not about how economy is doing in reality. It is not about what democrats signal. Republicans will lie, fox news will like and media will both side it. > And I do believe in DEI, inclusivity and women’s rights. But if the working class are struggling, it is tragically comic not to address their primary concerns first. Women are working class and struggling. And working class economical concerns are not addressed by republicans at all ... and democrats were not running on dei.
Aeolun 1y ago
I think the problem is that half of the country (has been made to) wants to sabotage itself. Therefore, they elect and keep in power someone that gives them exactly what they want.
- giardini 1y ago
  Yeah, the way the Democratic Party self-destructed was indeed enlightening and frightening. And they continue to point fingers at each other and present specious arguments why they failed in the last election. Meamwhile the Republicans, while making headway, aren't doing it in a way that will last beyond the next Democratic administration. I'm speaking of the overuse of executive orders when legislation is what is required.
  - nebula8804 1y ago
    DOGE has destroyed institutions that will likely not recover in the next Democratic majority term. If they sell off the federal lands or damage them with resource extraction, Dems probably wont have the bandwidth to fix that either. Those are just two examples but there are probably many more.
bko 1y ago
Harvard doesn't have higher academic standards for foreign students. So I don't think foreign students are any "better or brighter" than their American counterparts. So if you can find equally qualified American students on the margin shouldn't you do so? I think an American university that benefits greatly from American taxpayers and institutions should primarily benefit American students. If you're picking truly exceptional student, that's one thing. But I don't think that's happening.
- croes 1y ago
  But foreign students pay foreign money which helps against the deficit. On top of that many students stay in the US afterwards means a brain plus for the US and a loss their home country. These kind of braun drain is a big advantage for the US they know destroy.
  - ThunderSizzle 1y ago
    If that was the case, then these funding cuts wouldn't have any effect on Harvard.
    - croes 1y ago
      If your expenses are based on your income and your income includes government money, cuts on these will have an impact. Same is true for income from foreign student tuition fees.
- kristopolous 1y ago
  They don't have lower standards either. I mean they will now with a candidate pool reduction of 96%... The rest is kinda wild. I guess Ilya Sutskever should leave? Sergey Brin would have never started Google, Jony Ive would be in the UK, Jensen Huang and Nvidia would be hailing from Taipei, Elon Musk would be in Johannesburg, Linus Torvalds would still be in Finland, the Rasmussen brothers would have launched Google maps in the Netherlands, Satya Nadella would be in Hyderabad, the Broadcom CEO would be in Malaysia... You're beheading like 50% of the S&P my friend... Not to mention say, the faculty of engineering at places like MIT https://www.eecs.mit.edu/role/faculty-cs/ https://www.eecs.mit.edu/role/faculty-cs/ To me places like Stanford and Caltech are world class schools that happen to be in the US. Over 90% not being American born is what I'd expect from a globally renown world class institution because that's what the world population looks like. China has many programs to attract top global talent. If you want to fast track the transition from Silicon Valley to Beijing, kicking out the foreigners is an excellent move. Graduate level coursework at Peking is already in English. All these scholars have to do is get on a plane.
ttctciyf 1y ago
> seriously, if a malicious saboteur was running things, what would the differences be? Less obvious corruption.
moralestapia 1y ago
Harvard does not have "the best and brightest" students and that's a meme that needs to die as is discriminatory to literally all the other students in the US and the planet.
- nebula8804 1y ago
  You are nitpicking. It is an elite institution that still attracts elite class people or else it wouldn't be worth so much to so many groups. There are hundreds of universities in the US, many of which have no kind recognition of the kind Harvard has.
  - zelphirkalt 1y ago
    One could also call it a bubble. Last as long as it lasts, which is as long as the stakeholders believe in it. I think your argument doesn't hold. Just because people still believe something to be the case, doesn't mean it really is the case. It being "worth so much to so many groups" just means they believe in it being worth as much. A well formed argument would come up with examples of the brightest hailing from Harvard and perhaps statistics about achievements of former Harvard students.
    - nebula8804 1y ago
      Only if you look at one aspect of the school: A bubble wouldn't produce a cadre of skilled people that move multiple fields forward. The elite nature of the institution comes from people maintaining that elite status through accomplishment. You don't need a "belief" when the school continually produces many examples of excellence. Thats just hard evidence.
  - moralestapia 1y ago
    >You are nitpicking. I am doing the opposite, @kristopolous is the one who attached the "best and brightest" label to Harvard students. I am arguing that's unfair.
    - 1y ago

0x5f3759df-i 1y ago

They’d probably try to be more subtle about it.

scrubs 1y ago
Whence the salient and more pressing question: why does the gop in the legislative branch take a zero? We've all had bad bosses ... and that's a problem, but it's 10x worse when the people around know better and do nothing.
- paulryanrogers 1y ago
  They're afraid of losing to a primary challenger if they break with Trump. It used to be a Trump endorsement would hurt your campaign. Now a Trump critique is believed to be a scarlet letter. He's got a lock on the racist zealots that make up the most consistent voting bloc in the GOP.
  - QuarterReptile 1y ago
    They never picked off Newhouse, IIRC.

neumann 1y ago

They (the current administration) doesn't want to be competitive. They want to be in full control and willing to destroy any institution, organization or person that opposes them, internal or external.

spacemadness 1y ago
Can we say "fascism" out loud yet or are moderates still pretending everything is fine?
- esseph 1y ago
  [flagged]
- trealira 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - kristopolous 1y ago
    [flagged]
  - rawgabbit 1y ago
    Trump won because those in control of the Democratic Party underestimated the anger and economic desperation of the working class. They can’t afford rent or groceries. Medical and dental care are a distant dream. If the Democrats only messaging is DEI, inclusivity and girl/woman power… they view the Democrats as out of touch. It is the equivalent of Let Them Eat Cake or brioche. And I do believe in DEI, inclusivity and women’s rights. But if the working class are struggling, it is tragically comic not to address their primary concerns first.
    - watwut 1y ago
      Trump won, because he and project 2025 represent what conservative Christians want and because republican party want it. And people forever blaming anyone else are just enablers. This has nothing to do with what democrats do or signal. That is utterly irrelevant. Republicans are the ones bringing up gender, trans issues etc into discussion again and again. Not democrats. > They can’t afford rent or groceries. Medical and dental care are a distant dream. No, because vote for Trump and republicans is vote for higher prices, more expensive healthcare and tax cuts for rich. Every single time. This is not about how economy is doing in reality. It is not about what democrats signal. Republicans will lie, fox news will like and media will both side it. > And I do believe in DEI, inclusivity and women’s rights. But if the working class are struggling, it is tragically comic not to address their primary concerns first. Women are working class and struggling. And working class economical concerns are not addressed by republicans at all ... and democrats were not running on dei.

Aeolun 1y ago

I think the problem is that half of the country (has been made to) wants to sabotage itself. Therefore, they elect and keep in power someone that gives them exactly what they want.

giardini 1y ago
Yeah, the way the Democratic Party self-destructed was indeed enlightening and frightening. And they continue to point fingers at each other and present specious arguments why they failed in the last election. Meamwhile the Republicans, while making headway, aren't doing it in a way that will last beyond the next Democratic administration. I'm speaking of the overuse of executive orders when legislation is what is required.
- nebula8804 1y ago
  DOGE has destroyed institutions that will likely not recover in the next Democratic majority term. If they sell off the federal lands or damage them with resource extraction, Dems probably wont have the bandwidth to fix that either. Those are just two examples but there are probably many more.

bko 1y ago

Harvard doesn't have higher academic standards for foreign students. So I don't think foreign students are any "better or brighter" than their American counterparts. So if you can find equally qualified American students on the margin shouldn't you do so? I think an American university that benefits greatly from American taxpayers and institutions should primarily benefit American students. If you're picking truly exceptional student, that's one thing. But I don't think that's happening.

croes 1y ago
But foreign students pay foreign money which helps against the deficit. On top of that many students stay in the US afterwards means a brain plus for the US and a loss their home country. These kind of braun drain is a big advantage for the US they know destroy.
- ThunderSizzle 1y ago
  If that was the case, then these funding cuts wouldn't have any effect on Harvard.
  - croes 1y ago
    If your expenses are based on your income and your income includes government money, cuts on these will have an impact. Same is true for income from foreign student tuition fees.
kristopolous 1y ago
They don't have lower standards either. I mean they will now with a candidate pool reduction of 96%... The rest is kinda wild. I guess Ilya Sutskever should leave? Sergey Brin would have never started Google, Jony Ive would be in the UK, Jensen Huang and Nvidia would be hailing from Taipei, Elon Musk would be in Johannesburg, Linus Torvalds would still be in Finland, the Rasmussen brothers would have launched Google maps in the Netherlands, Satya Nadella would be in Hyderabad, the Broadcom CEO would be in Malaysia... You're beheading like 50% of the S&P my friend... Not to mention say, the faculty of engineering at places like MIT https://www.eecs.mit.edu/role/faculty-cs/ https://www.eecs.mit.edu/role/faculty-cs/ To me places like Stanford and Caltech are world class schools that happen to be in the US. Over 90% not being American born is what I'd expect from a globally renown world class institution because that's what the world population looks like. China has many programs to attract top global talent. If you want to fast track the transition from Silicon Valley to Beijing, kicking out the foreigners is an excellent move. Graduate level coursework at Peking is already in English. All these scholars have to do is get on a plane.

ttctciyf 1y ago

> seriously, if a malicious saboteur was running things, what would the differences be? Less obvious corruption.

moralestapia 1y ago

Harvard does not have "the best and brightest" students and that's a meme that needs to die as is discriminatory to literally all the other students in the US and the planet.

nebula8804 1y ago
You are nitpicking. It is an elite institution that still attracts elite class people or else it wouldn't be worth so much to so many groups. There are hundreds of universities in the US, many of which have no kind recognition of the kind Harvard has.
- zelphirkalt 1y ago
  One could also call it a bubble. Last as long as it lasts, which is as long as the stakeholders believe in it. I think your argument doesn't hold. Just because people still believe something to be the case, doesn't mean it really is the case. It being "worth so much to so many groups" just means they believe in it being worth as much. A well formed argument would come up with examples of the brightest hailing from Harvard and perhaps statistics about achievements of former Harvard students.
  - nebula8804 1y ago
    Only if you look at one aspect of the school: A bubble wouldn't produce a cadre of skilled people that move multiple fields forward. The elite nature of the institution comes from people maintaining that elite status through accomplishment. You don't need a "belief" when the school continually produces many examples of excellence. Thats just hard evidence.
- moralestapia 1y ago
  >You are nitpicking. I am doing the opposite, @kristopolous is the one who attached the "best and brightest" label to Harvard students. I am arguing that's unfair.
  - 1y ago