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Which isn’t at all how PhD programs work. This is a supreme dick move to students are going to be forced to leave with an AbD for no other reason than Trumps eg
by fnordpiglet 1y ago
Which isn’t at all how PhD programs work. This is a supreme dick move to students are going to be forced to leave with an AbD for no other reason than Trumps ego.
This is going to burn the children of the most powerful families across the world. Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard. Destroying their children’s education out of a fit of malice is going to haunt him, and America on top of all the other stuff America is doing to the world.
America first is rapidly becoming America alone.
- goodluckchuck 1y ago[flagged]
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- bamboozled 1y agoMonarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard When you frame it like this... it doesn't sound like such a loss. But yeah, it's not the only way to frame it.
- lobsterthief 1y agoThe percentage of Harvard international students who fall into this category is statistically insignificant. It’s not even worth framing.
- orlp 1y agoIt's not about the percentage of Harvard international students who fall into this category, it's about the percentage of students in this category who go to Harvard.
- BobaFloutist 1y agoAlso fairly low. There's plenty of high-prestige institutions in the world.
- rf15 1y agoAs someone from europe I'd say Harvard and MIT are the #1 prestige institutions, and a lot of people will not settle for less.
- nradov 1y agoA lot? Those institutions only accept a relatively small total number of foreign students. Everyone else has to "settle for less" whether they want to or not.
- chipsrafferty 1y agoIf Dad gifts a new building on campus you odds at getting accepted go up tenfold.
- s1artibartfast 1y agoI dont see why that is ever considered a problem. They are literally a private institution selling a service. Why shouldn't you be able to pay your way to the front of the line.
- BobaFloutist 1y agoIt's fine as long as they're open about it. It's when they say "We're a very selective institution that only accepts the academic best of the best from the entire world" and then also allow pay to play, clarifying "Also the people whose parents donated us buildings juuuuust so happen to be the academic best of the best from the the entire world" that people start to question just how selective admission really is, and just how world-class their student body and standards really are. If they kept stats on who was an endowment/legacy admit and gave them a different colored diploma so people could filter them out when assessing things like grades and graduation rate and they didn't effect the curve I think there would be less criticism of the process.
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- rayiner 1y agoI used that example because it’s my family. My mom’s family’s landholdings have grown in value as our capital city grows, so my aunts and uncles are selling plots and buying houses in California in cash. This is after distributing my grandfather’s estate among a dozen kids. From a country where the per-capita GDP is $2,400 per year. How do you think that happened? This background is table stakes for being part of the 0.1% that has the means to emigrate out of these countries and send their kids to elite American schools.
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- rayiner 1y agoI don’t think my family was involved in corruption. But they are part of a landed gentry class that cooperated with the British colonial administration. My mom’s surname is an honorific reserved for people in a high position within a rigid class hierarchy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begum But yes, I think that, in the aggregate, it’s not good to have a large number of people like me injected straight into America’s major institutions. We dilute what I think is a core american value against elitism and hierarchy. And our presence gives our home grown elite permission to drop certain beneficial safeguards on their behavior, such as the WASP taboo against conspicuous consumption. This is highly visible in Northern Virginia where I grew up. It was always full of elites, but now it’s full of elites that don’t feel pressured to keep a low profile and at least pretend they’re not elites.
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- fnordpiglet 1y agoAs a percentage of -students- yes but as a percentage of world power children? That’s a much smaller cohort, and is the cohort that matters in this context.
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- 8bitsrule 1y agoMaking the government small enough to drown in the bathtub? (Grover Norquist's goal)
- epolanski 1y agoHe's 78 and at the end of his political career in few years, he could care less.
- loloquwowndueo 1y agoHe couldn’t care less.
- redcobra762 1y agoOr maybe he could care less, but doesn't even bother to care less because caring less would exert effort and he doesn't care enough to exert any effort.
- loloquwowndueo 1y agoOwn the grammar mistake, my dude :)
- AlecSchueler 1y agoHe could care less is the common phrase by now, even if it doesn't make literal sense.
- anigbrowl 1y agochildren of the most powerful families across the world I doubt that most of those people are reliant on student visas.
- moralestapia 1y agoYou cannot jump over immigration requirements "just because you're powerful", and the vast majority of them are not US citizens.
- mandmandam 1y ago> You cannot jump over immigration requirements You probably will be able to soon though, and it 'only' costs $5m: "A ‘Trump Card Visa’ Is Already Showing Up in Immigration Forms" [0] I couldn't blame you for not having seen this though. It was quickly flagged and never whitelisted; like so, so many other important stories here this past few months. Check my favorites for more falsely flagged stories. 0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43921421 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43921421
- londons_explore 1y agoThey could easily get an E2 entrepreneur visa, and the necessary cash is as little as $300k, most of which can be withdrawn later, so it's effectively a free citizenship as long as you have cash.
- EduardoBautista 1y agoE2 visa is not available to everyone. Notably Indian and Chinese citizens are not eligible. And that is a large chunk of international students.
- ndsipa_pomu 1y agoYou could probably get round immigration requirements by "gifting" a jet or something
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- victorbjorklund 1y agoThat makes no sense. In what way is all well-off families in South Korea or Japan evil?
- rayiner 1y agoNobody said “evil.” But do you think it’s a good thing for ordinary americans to have the children of chaebols owners rubbing shoulders with the children of Fortune 500s CEOs?
- mulmen 1y ago…Yes? This is the foundational concept underlying free speech and liberal education. In a liberal society ideas live and die by their merits and we all benefit by the best ideas floating to the top.
- rayiner 1y agoI don’t think there’s anything “liberal” about facilitating the a borderless global elite. People can say whatever they want; Americans don’t need to issue everyone visas to come say things in person. The internet exists.
- fnordpiglet 1y agoHere’s a case in point - future queen of Belgium kicked out of college by the president of the United States: https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5316202-future-queen-of-belgium-may-have-to-leave-harvard-after-trump-foreign-student-ban/ https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5316202-future-queen-...
- bergerjac 1y agoConsidering it’s not 1733, a future Belgian monarch has almost zero power.
- kbigdelysh 1y agoYou're very wrong if you think harvard accepts children of dictators and monarchies for its graduate programs. It's near impossible to get into those program except if you are a genius (exceptionally high GPA and GRE grades, published valuable scientific papers in prestigious journals). Just check the graduate student's directory to see what I mean.
- bongoman42 1y agoOr have the right demographic details.