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Why is apple pulling these silly cards, do they have a personal beef or something?? They achieve precisely the opposite of what they think. People will learn t

by seydor 1y ago

Why is apple pulling these silly cards, do they have a personal beef or something?? They achieve precisely the opposite of what they think. People will learn to associate that warning with "oh good this app is cheaper than the competition". People are so accustomed to dismiss "warnings" ,especially when there are going to be so many of them

Zoethink 1y ago
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urbandw311er 1y ago
Yes, they do have a personal, well documented beef about this.
figassis 1y ago
At this point it’s probably existential. They AB test this and see immediate and drastic impact on revenue so they do them.
- disgruntledphd2 1y ago
  Yeah, the market loves growth and services have been their growth lately so that being hit is a big deal for the stock price (and execs are bonused on stock price). Additionally, because they control all of the payments on iOS they can provide much better targeting to advertisers for purchases, which open payment processes would reduce the value of. But they've played this so badly that they are going to lose most of their app store revenue at this point. Sucks to be them I guess.
- throwaway290 1y ago
  It's definitely existential if they DON'T put a warning because then it undermines the core promise for which they charge (security/privacy)
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    But that's already been principally undermined by PRISM compliance, NSO Group and Tim Cook's hunky-dory relations with Donald Trump. Users don't actually care about security. They don't even know what it looks like, or how to assess it. They do care about the Jungian shadow of security, vulnerability, which is what Apple's marketing instills in them as a customer: https://youtu.be/0HjDpPnxcP0 https://youtu.be/0HjDpPnxcP0 So, it's not existential at all. Apple could announce tomorrow that the CIA has unfettered access to all iCloud data, and Apple's customers wouldn't perceive any real alternative. Not because there aren't secure alterantives - but because they were taught that Apple knows best, and without them they're powerless to choose for themselves. This is the critical danger of becoming reliant on a commercialized "protection" service, both online and in real life.
    - throwaway290 1y ago
      you're in a bubble. trust me out there 99% of Apple customers are not trying hide from NSO, PRISM, CIA or NSA and for regular people security and privacy is not about that. it's about having your bank app not being hacked or not being spied on by your ex with a hidden app. small things like that.
      - bigyabai 1y ago
        You've missed my original point. People only care about the small things, not what actually make them secure. They accept whatever fear-du-jour is marketed to them ("Google spies on you!") and then surmises that Apple protects them. But[0] they[1] don't[2]. Apple actively neglects runtime security to justify their centralized entitlement service they sell to developers. And users don't care because, like you said, they never have. They don't respond to anything, besides what they are explicitly told is scary. This isn't about holding Apple to some arbitrarily high standard. It's about exposing just how apathetic their customer base truly is, something that has been documented by nearly every Apple enthusiast since the birth of the Mac. The "reality distortion field" we call marketing tenders more sales for Apple than any security investment they have ever made. Take a class in advertisement, I guarantee Apple is on the first-week syllabus. [0] https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/apple-gave-ubers-app-unprecedented-access-to-a-secret/302310 https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/apple-gave-ubers-... [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/apple-governments-surveil-push-notifications/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/apple-governments-surve... [2] https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/15/nso-group-admits-cutting-off-10-customers-because-they-abused-its-pegasus-spyware-say-unsealed-court-documents/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/15/nso-group-admits-cutting-o...

by seydor 1y ago

Zoethink 1y ago

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urbandw311er 1y ago

Yes, they do have a personal, well documented beef about this.

figassis 1y ago

At this point it’s probably existential. They AB test this and see immediate and drastic impact on revenue so they do them.

disgruntledphd2 1y ago
Yeah, the market loves growth and services have been their growth lately so that being hit is a big deal for the stock price (and execs are bonused on stock price). Additionally, because they control all of the payments on iOS they can provide much better targeting to advertisers for purchases, which open payment processes would reduce the value of. But they've played this so badly that they are going to lose most of their app store revenue at this point. Sucks to be them I guess.
throwaway290 1y ago
It's definitely existential if they DON'T put a warning because then it undermines the core promise for which they charge (security/privacy)
- bigyabai 1y ago
  But that's already been principally undermined by PRISM compliance, NSO Group and Tim Cook's hunky-dory relations with Donald Trump. Users don't actually care about security. They don't even know what it looks like, or how to assess it. They do care about the Jungian shadow of security, vulnerability, which is what Apple's marketing instills in them as a customer: https://youtu.be/0HjDpPnxcP0 https://youtu.be/0HjDpPnxcP0 So, it's not existential at all. Apple could announce tomorrow that the CIA has unfettered access to all iCloud data, and Apple's customers wouldn't perceive any real alternative. Not because there aren't secure alterantives - but because they were taught that Apple knows best, and without them they're powerless to choose for themselves. This is the critical danger of becoming reliant on a commercialized "protection" service, both online and in real life.
  - throwaway290 1y ago
    you're in a bubble. trust me out there 99% of Apple customers are not trying hide from NSO, PRISM, CIA or NSA and for regular people security and privacy is not about that. it's about having your bank app not being hacked or not being spied on by your ex with a hidden app. small things like that.
    - bigyabai 1y ago
      You've missed my original point. People only care about the small things, not what actually make them secure. They accept whatever fear-du-jour is marketed to them ("Google spies on you!") and then surmises that Apple protects them. But[0] they[1] don't[2]. Apple actively neglects runtime security to justify their centralized entitlement service they sell to developers. And users don't care because, like you said, they never have. They don't respond to anything, besides what they are explicitly told is scary. This isn't about holding Apple to some arbitrarily high standard. It's about exposing just how apathetic their customer base truly is, something that has been documented by nearly every Apple enthusiast since the birth of the Mac. The "reality distortion field" we call marketing tenders more sales for Apple than any security investment they have ever made. Take a class in advertisement, I guarantee Apple is on the first-week syllabus. [0] https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/apple-gave-ubers-app-unprecedented-access-to-a-secret/302310 https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/apple-gave-ubers-... [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/apple-governments-surveil-push-notifications/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/apple-governments-surve... [2] https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/15/nso-group-admits-cutting-off-10-customers-because-they-abused-its-pegasus-spyware-say-unsealed-court-documents/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/15/nso-group-admits-cutting-o...