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Neat thanks. Btw how do you know this?! Have you memorized stuff of all the passed popes?

mensetmanusman 1y ago
These are the types of things talked about in small groups near your local cathedral by members of groups like Opus Dei everywhere around the world. All are welcome :)
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  I don't think Opus Dei spends a lot of time discussing Rerum Novarum, honestly.
  - CGMthrowaway 1y ago
    What do they discuss? There is an Opus Dei church near me and I always wondered what was up
    - _a3ax 1y ago
      Opus Dei is an extreme reactionary group within the church. Leo XIII was a liberal pope responsible for the social doctrine of the church (this text). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_Opus_Dei https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_Opus_Dei Personal experience: when I was in high school in my country there was a teacher who was in Opus Dei. He tried to recruit students by leaving them a letter and inviting them to a "scholarship". I got such a letter, I was so excited. The school found out about that and investigated. We're a mixed-race country. The Opus Dei teacher has invited exclusively white students. He had invited top students #2 to #4 in my class by grade, but not #1, who was black.
      - mensetmanusman 1y ago
        Meanwhile I mostly interacted with Opus Dei members near Harvard that were Nigerian, Spanish, and Mexican.
        zorked 1y ago
        Each country has their own racial hierarchy that may not, and usually does not, match yours.
        mensetmanusman 1y ago
        This was the US.
        adl 1y ago
        Where they wealthy? That's the only thing the Opus Dei cares about.
      - 4ggr0 1y ago
        > We're a mixed-race country There are single-race countries?
        CGMthrowaway 1y ago
        Depending on how you count, Egypt, Morocco, Bangladesh, North Korea...
        4ggr0 1y ago
        i know what you mean, although they're not single-race (i hate using this expression, omg) in a binary way. or at least only if you exclude the minorities in these countries who still make it diverse, be it in a small way.
    - lambdaphagy 1y ago
      When I visited an Opus Dei house once for a philosophy lecture they were discussing Plato, the Timaeus in particular.
  - tclancy 1y ago
    I dunno, they spent a ton of time talking about how to get rid of the last pope, so who knows which other "Actually believe the teachings of Christ" popes they bad-mouth when they get together?
- cperciva 1y ago
  All are welcome Including atheists?
  - bb86754 1y ago
    Yup
  - hokumguru 1y ago
    Especially atheists
  - mystified5016 1y ago
    As long as you aren't a smug asshole about it, most religious people don't mind talking about religion with atheists. You have to be honestly interested in what they have to say and not just looking for a way to 'prove them wrong'
    - 90s_dev 1y ago
      Conversations with those kinds can be fun too, if you're in the right mood.
- toofy 1y ago
  while it wouldn’t surprise me to learn they might be discussing this, but if they were it would almost certainly be in disgust—opus dei is very very extreme in their dislike of ideas such as those from pope leo. one of my grandparents dabbled, and every single one of them i’ve met were very… trying to be kind here… veerrry very into the church. not a normal into the church, much more extreme. i’m desperately trying not to use the c word, but it really does fit. if one finds themselves being taken in, truly, please, take just a lil bit and learn how orgs like scientology and heavens gate etc… recruit people. the recruitment similarities are uncanny. the after effects are uncanny.
kergonath 1y ago
The last Leo was a notable pope. His views are well known. You don’t need to memorise everything, a lot of what they’ve said over the years is available in books or online.
- ben_w 1y ago
  Pope Quartz: https://xkcd.com/2501/ https://xkcd.com/2501/ I was raised Catholic and couldn't have even told you there'd been a single Pope Leo, let alone 13 of them before today. The only Pope quote I could even give you is the term "Ex Cathedra".
  - PortiaBerries 1y ago
    It never ceases to amaze me how poorly catechized the majority of cradle Catholics are. I don't intend this to be directed at you, but it's a standing joke among traditionalist Catholics that "I was raised Catholic" is the preamble to a statement of either ignorance or heresy.
    - thrwww 1y ago
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    - ben_w 1y ago
      > I don't intend this to be directed at you, but it's a standing joke among traditionalist Catholics that "I was raised Catholic" is the preamble to a statement of either ignorance or heresy. It's cool, no offence taken. My mother took it all very seriously, but she was also syncretic New Age/Hindu/Catholic; she got me baptised at birth and took the lead with Sunday school and going to Church etc, my dad was mainly interested in getting me into a good school that was Catholic but himself was atheist. I actually read the entire New Testament while at school, took it at face value, thought "this doesn't work, does it?" and went to Wicca for a bit before deciding that wasn't for me either. I think at no point did anyone bother to explain the structure of the Catholic church, they just kinda assumed we all knew it, when what we knew was from pop culture. I think your local priest was unavoidable knowledge, but pop culture gave me bishops, the Pope (but not the fact that his official title isn't that until it came up on the quiz show QI), and the obvious joke about Cardinal Jaime Sin. The actual education gave me no sense of ranks or the organisation or how nuns and monks fit in — just the same five bible tales (birth, walking on water, feeding of 5000, eye of the needle, death and resurrection) over and over again. With singing. The pattern you've noticed, I think also applies to the UK citizenship test: there's a general sense that most people born with UK nationality wouldn't be able to pass the test to become a citizen as an adult.
Archelaos 1y ago
This is the beginning of perhaps the most famous of Leo XIII.'s many encyclicals, entitled "Rerum novarum" from 1891. To my knowledge it is the first of many papal encyclicals on social issues. It thus marks an important point in church history (and beyond that in the history of ideas in general). For further details see the encyclical's Wikipedia entry at https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rerum_Novarum https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rerum_Novarum For the text itself: https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum.html https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/docum...
- Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 1y ago
  Thanks a lot!
Sharlin 1y ago
There are already a plenty of analysis pieces published by reputable news sources that discuss the new pope's chosen regal name and its significance, in particular in relation to the last Leo and his views and important writings.
ccppurcell 1y ago
Someone asked me the same question! I just know that popes pick their names to indicate what their priorities are. Francis picked a totally new name. I think that in itself signals a time of change in the church, we can also look to st Francis And the traditional association with kindness, mercy, not to mention his "Rule" (basically that Christ had no possessions). Typically the previous pope with that name is where you look. Maybe the first too. Leo I stood up to Atilla the Hun. Leo XIII championed trade unions and workers rights (though also rejected socialism). Make of it what you will.

These are the types of things talked about in small groups near your local cathedral by members of groups like Opus Dei everywhere around the world. All are welcome :)

dragonwriter 1y ago
I don't think Opus Dei spends a lot of time discussing Rerum Novarum, honestly.
- CGMthrowaway 1y ago
  What do they discuss? There is an Opus Dei church near me and I always wondered what was up
  - _a3ax 1y ago
    Opus Dei is an extreme reactionary group within the church. Leo XIII was a liberal pope responsible for the social doctrine of the church (this text). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_Opus_Dei https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_Opus_Dei Personal experience: when I was in high school in my country there was a teacher who was in Opus Dei. He tried to recruit students by leaving them a letter and inviting them to a "scholarship". I got such a letter, I was so excited. The school found out about that and investigated. We're a mixed-race country. The Opus Dei teacher has invited exclusively white students. He had invited top students #2 to #4 in my class by grade, but not #1, who was black.
    - mensetmanusman 1y ago
      Meanwhile I mostly interacted with Opus Dei members near Harvard that were Nigerian, Spanish, and Mexican.
      - zorked 1y ago
        Each country has their own racial hierarchy that may not, and usually does not, match yours.
        mensetmanusman 1y ago
        This was the US.
      - adl 1y ago
        Where they wealthy? That's the only thing the Opus Dei cares about.
    - 4ggr0 1y ago
      > We're a mixed-race country There are single-race countries?
      - CGMthrowaway 1y ago
        Depending on how you count, Egypt, Morocco, Bangladesh, North Korea...
        4ggr0 1y ago
        i know what you mean, although they're not single-race (i hate using this expression, omg) in a binary way. or at least only if you exclude the minorities in these countries who still make it diverse, be it in a small way.
  - lambdaphagy 1y ago
    When I visited an Opus Dei house once for a philosophy lecture they were discussing Plato, the Timaeus in particular.
- tclancy 1y ago
  I dunno, they spent a ton of time talking about how to get rid of the last pope, so who knows which other "Actually believe the teachings of Christ" popes they bad-mouth when they get together?
cperciva 1y ago
All are welcome Including atheists?
- bb86754 1y ago
  Yup
- hokumguru 1y ago
  Especially atheists
- mystified5016 1y ago
  As long as you aren't a smug asshole about it, most religious people don't mind talking about religion with atheists. You have to be honestly interested in what they have to say and not just looking for a way to 'prove them wrong'
  - 90s_dev 1y ago
    Conversations with those kinds can be fun too, if you're in the right mood.
toofy 1y ago
while it wouldn’t surprise me to learn they might be discussing this, but if they were it would almost certainly be in disgust—opus dei is very very extreme in their dislike of ideas such as those from pope leo. one of my grandparents dabbled, and every single one of them i’ve met were very… trying to be kind here… veerrry very into the church. not a normal into the church, much more extreme. i’m desperately trying not to use the c word, but it really does fit. if one finds themselves being taken in, truly, please, take just a lil bit and learn how orgs like scientology and heavens gate etc… recruit people. the recruitment similarities are uncanny. the after effects are uncanny.

kergonath 1y ago

The last Leo was a notable pope. His views are well known. You don’t need to memorise everything, a lot of what they’ve said over the years is available in books or online.

ben_w 1y ago
Pope Quartz: https://xkcd.com/2501/ https://xkcd.com/2501/ I was raised Catholic and couldn't have even told you there'd been a single Pope Leo, let alone 13 of them before today. The only Pope quote I could even give you is the term "Ex Cathedra".
- PortiaBerries 1y ago
  It never ceases to amaze me how poorly catechized the majority of cradle Catholics are. I don't intend this to be directed at you, but it's a standing joke among traditionalist Catholics that "I was raised Catholic" is the preamble to a statement of either ignorance or heresy.
  - thrwww 1y ago
    [flagged]
  - ben_w 1y ago
    > I don't intend this to be directed at you, but it's a standing joke among traditionalist Catholics that "I was raised Catholic" is the preamble to a statement of either ignorance or heresy. It's cool, no offence taken. My mother took it all very seriously, but she was also syncretic New Age/Hindu/Catholic; she got me baptised at birth and took the lead with Sunday school and going to Church etc, my dad was mainly interested in getting me into a good school that was Catholic but himself was atheist. I actually read the entire New Testament while at school, took it at face value, thought "this doesn't work, does it?" and went to Wicca for a bit before deciding that wasn't for me either. I think at no point did anyone bother to explain the structure of the Catholic church, they just kinda assumed we all knew it, when what we knew was from pop culture. I think your local priest was unavoidable knowledge, but pop culture gave me bishops, the Pope (but not the fact that his official title isn't that until it came up on the quiz show QI), and the obvious joke about Cardinal Jaime Sin. The actual education gave me no sense of ranks or the organisation or how nuns and monks fit in — just the same five bible tales (birth, walking on water, feeding of 5000, eye of the needle, death and resurrection) over and over again. With singing. The pattern you've noticed, I think also applies to the UK citizenship test: there's a general sense that most people born with UK nationality wouldn't be able to pass the test to become a citizen as an adult.

Archelaos 1y ago

This is the beginning of perhaps the most famous of Leo XIII.'s many encyclicals, entitled "Rerum novarum" from 1891. To my knowledge it is the first of many papal encyclicals on social issues. It thus marks an important point in church history (and beyond that in the history of ideas in general). For further details see the encyclical's Wikipedia entry at https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rerum_Novarum https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rerum_Novarum For the text itself: https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum.html https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/docum...

Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 1y ago
Thanks a lot!

Sharlin 1y ago

There are already a plenty of analysis pieces published by reputable news sources that discuss the new pope's chosen regal name and its significance, in particular in relation to the last Leo and his views and important writings.

ccppurcell 1y ago

Someone asked me the same question! I just know that popes pick their names to indicate what their priorities are. Francis picked a totally new name. I think that in itself signals a time of change in the church, we can also look to st Francis And the traditional association with kindness, mercy, not to mention his "Rule" (basically that Christ had no possessions). Typically the previous pope with that name is where you look. Maybe the first too. Leo I stood up to Atilla the Hun. Leo XIII championed trade unions and workers rights (though also rejected socialism). Make of it what you will.