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> We want to help these countries, and in the process, spread democratic AI I'm reading this in the same voice as Helldivers 2 "managed democracy"

Trasmatta 1y ago
They used the word "democratic" 8 times in that post. I'm not sure that word means what they think it means.
- krackers 1y ago
  As opposed to those "unaligned" communist open-source models. As a proud freedom-loving citizen of the West you wouldn't want to support those now would you? I'm reminded of the first half of this wonderful short-story that was shared on HN a year back https://www.fortressofdoors.com/four-magic-words/ https://www.fortressofdoors.com/four-magic-words/
  - dzhiurgis 1y ago
    What's an open source model?
- GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
  "democratic" means "i can pay for anything i want, so i will"
- ASalazarMX 1y ago
  It means "ChatGPT aligned with your government agenda".
- snihalani 1y ago
  I think it means they are blinking twice in front of their republic friends. Fortunately, no one is going to save them
echelon 1y ago
> spread democratic AI Open weights and code and models? That's the only way to ensure sovereignty. I think this company is a walking oxymoron.
- rytill 1y ago
  Don’t forget the training data!
  - caseyy 1y ago
    We are far from open training data... training data might even be incriminating.
    - echelon 1y ago
      100%, though I still feel as though open training data will eventually become a thing. It'll have to be mostly new data, synthetic data, or meticulously curated from public domain / open data. Synthetic training data sets, even robotically-acquired real world "synthetic" data, can rapidly create training sets. It's just a matter of coordinating these efforts and building high quality data. I've made a few data sets using Unreal Engine, and I've been wanting to put various objects on turn tables and go out on backpack 3D scan adventures. Someone will have to pay for it, though.
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slg 1y ago
One of the most shocking aspects of this era of history is the number of people who not only end up accidentally resembling or aligning with the bad guys of our satire and dystopian fiction, but how many of them seem to be actively and intentionally pursuing that path. It's the Torment Nexus all the way down.
- orbital-decay 1y ago
  But what are you going to do about it?
- roxolotl 1y ago
  I really wish I could know if they are earnestly cosplaying Lex Luther or if they are just deluded. Of course a good Lex Luther cosplay would involve misdirection so it’s basically impossible to know. It doesn’t really matter which one it is because the outcome is similar but it would be very gratifying to know.
- hayst4ck 1y ago
  That's because there are no consequences for bad behavior, only reward. Game theory dictates that if bad behavior is a winning strategy it will be adopted and propagate until it is the dominant strategy. The only way it stops becoming a winning strategy is if we provide consequences, but that requires taking personal responsibility for the state of the world, which was a core American value, but doesn't seem to be anymore.
  - whaleofatw2022 1y ago
    I will dare say, it's a question of what happens to Mario's brother. Jury nullification in that is the best message that could be sent to the populace.
    - mminer237 1y ago
      I'm pretty sure giving everyone the belief that they can murder with impunity as long as the victim is undesirable enough would be the absolute worst thing that could happen right now.
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dzhiurgis 1y ago
There are countries with more and less freedoms than USA... Operating to that countries standard opens up the market and improves UX.
- nicbou 1y ago
  Facebook did that. It ended up exposing a lot of private information to China and supporting a genocide in Myanmar. Tech companies only care about growth. They only care about anything else insofar as it supports growth.
mikrl 1y ago
GPT SAVE ME! stabs USB drive into leg
easygenes 1y ago
Super-Earth Defense Ministry Broadcast: Special Bulletin https://chatgpt.com/share/681c31e8-67f8-8011-a4b0-2bed9d4da727 https://chatgpt.com/share/681c31e8-67f8-8011-a4b0-2bed9d4da7...
nicbou 1y ago
I just finished reading "Careless People" and the tone is shockingly similar to the one Zuckerberg loved to use. It reminds me of that Silicon Valley scene where every startup wants to "make the world a better place". As someone who is both expected to keep creating information to train AI while being stripped from the fruit of my labour by it, I find it sickening.
cedws 1y ago
You will have democracy and you will like it.

Trasmatta 1y ago

They used the word "democratic" 8 times in that post. I'm not sure that word means what they think it means.

krackers 1y ago
As opposed to those "unaligned" communist open-source models. As a proud freedom-loving citizen of the West you wouldn't want to support those now would you? I'm reminded of the first half of this wonderful short-story that was shared on HN a year back https://www.fortressofdoors.com/four-magic-words/ https://www.fortressofdoors.com/four-magic-words/
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  What's an open source model?
GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
"democratic" means "i can pay for anything i want, so i will"
ASalazarMX 1y ago
It means "ChatGPT aligned with your government agenda".
snihalani 1y ago
I think it means they are blinking twice in front of their republic friends. Fortunately, no one is going to save them

echelon 1y ago

> spread democratic AI Open weights and code and models? That's the only way to ensure sovereignty. I think this company is a walking oxymoron.

rytill 1y ago
Don’t forget the training data!
- caseyy 1y ago
  We are far from open training data... training data might even be incriminating.
  - echelon 1y ago
    100%, though I still feel as though open training data will eventually become a thing. It'll have to be mostly new data, synthetic data, or meticulously curated from public domain / open data. Synthetic training data sets, even robotically-acquired real world "synthetic" data, can rapidly create training sets. It's just a matter of coordinating these efforts and building high quality data. I've made a few data sets using Unreal Engine, and I've been wanting to put various objects on turn tables and go out on backpack 3D scan adventures. Someone will have to pay for it, though.

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slg 1y ago

One of the most shocking aspects of this era of history is the number of people who not only end up accidentally resembling or aligning with the bad guys of our satire and dystopian fiction, but how many of them seem to be actively and intentionally pursuing that path. It's the Torment Nexus all the way down.

orbital-decay 1y ago
But what are you going to do about it?
roxolotl 1y ago
I really wish I could know if they are earnestly cosplaying Lex Luther or if they are just deluded. Of course a good Lex Luther cosplay would involve misdirection so it’s basically impossible to know. It doesn’t really matter which one it is because the outcome is similar but it would be very gratifying to know.
hayst4ck 1y ago
That's because there are no consequences for bad behavior, only reward. Game theory dictates that if bad behavior is a winning strategy it will be adopted and propagate until it is the dominant strategy. The only way it stops becoming a winning strategy is if we provide consequences, but that requires taking personal responsibility for the state of the world, which was a core American value, but doesn't seem to be anymore.
- whaleofatw2022 1y ago
  I will dare say, it's a question of what happens to Mario's brother. Jury nullification in that is the best message that could be sent to the populace.
  - mminer237 1y ago
    I'm pretty sure giving everyone the belief that they can murder with impunity as long as the victim is undesirable enough would be the absolute worst thing that could happen right now.

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dzhiurgis 1y ago

There are countries with more and less freedoms than USA... Operating to that countries standard opens up the market and improves UX.

nicbou 1y ago
Facebook did that. It ended up exposing a lot of private information to China and supporting a genocide in Myanmar. Tech companies only care about growth. They only care about anything else insofar as it supports growth.

mikrl 1y ago

GPT SAVE ME! stabs USB drive into leg

easygenes 1y ago

Super-Earth Defense Ministry Broadcast: Special Bulletin https://chatgpt.com/share/681c31e8-67f8-8011-a4b0-2bed9d4da727 https://chatgpt.com/share/681c31e8-67f8-8011-a4b0-2bed9d4da7...

nicbou 1y ago

I just finished reading "Careless People" and the tone is shockingly similar to the one Zuckerberg loved to use. It reminds me of that Silicon Valley scene where every startup wants to "make the world a better place". As someone who is both expected to keep creating information to train AI while being stripped from the fruit of my labour by it, I find it sickening.

cedws 1y ago

You will have democracy and you will like it.