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by seneca 1y ago

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cruzcampo 1y ago
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- seneca 1y ago
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      - dttze 1y ago
        Starvation has historically been used as one of the most effective ways to commit violence on populations and is often used by militaries. If you do not think that is violence, I'd love to hear what qualifies in your mind.
    - matkoniecz 1y ago
      > All political agendas are violence. if treated seriously, that just makes "violence" a meaningless term for start, there is a difference between threats of violence and actual violent acts for example
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  - flmontpetit 1y ago
    Everybody does. Some however only object when the violence is extralegal.
- matkoniecz 1y ago
  > The threat of violence is the only way social progress has ever been made. This is a lie. Poland and many areas occupied by Russia managed to end Russian control without this.
  - cruzcampo 1y ago
    I wouldn't call the fall of the only socialist superpower at the time social progress.
    - matkoniecz 1y ago
      I would call kicking out corrupt occupier oppressing workers and pretending to be socialist superpower as a great success. Doing it with no bloodshed typically accompanying such events was even better. Russia was not friend to workers, it was oppressive evil state and kicking it out (what started steps toward collapse of USSR) was one of greatest successes in the history of Poland. It was no accident that largest strikes in the history of country taken place during PRL and capitalism is so well regarded in Poland.
  - flmontpetit 1y ago
    In other words, the rest of of us should just wait until some foreign powers dissolve our oppressors for us?
    - matkoniecz 1y ago
      People in Poland (and other areas under control of Russia) put a lot of effort into kicking out Russians and their puppets. It was not a case of waiting until foreign powers did it. (though there was a bit of external help)
- constantcrying 1y ago
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  - dang 1y ago
    Did you miss that we asked you to stop breaking the site guidelines? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43857426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43857426 You posted 19 comments since then, most of which are perpetuating this flamewar. No matter how wrong someone else is or you feel they are, this is abusive, and we ban accounts that do it. Fortunately, it looks like your comment history is mostly fine (at least the parts of it that I skimmed back through) so this should be easy to fix.

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by seneca 1y ago

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cruzcampo 1y ago

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seneca 1y ago
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    - dttze 1y ago
      Starvation has historically been used as one of the most effective ways to commit violence on populations and is often used by militaries. If you do not think that is violence, I'd love to hear what qualifies in your mind.
  - matkoniecz 1y ago
    > All political agendas are violence. if treated seriously, that just makes "violence" a meaningless term for start, there is a difference between threats of violence and actual violent acts for example
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- flmontpetit 1y ago
  Everybody does. Some however only object when the violence is extralegal.
matkoniecz 1y ago
> The threat of violence is the only way social progress has ever been made. This is a lie. Poland and many areas occupied by Russia managed to end Russian control without this.
- cruzcampo 1y ago
  I wouldn't call the fall of the only socialist superpower at the time social progress.
  - matkoniecz 1y ago
    I would call kicking out corrupt occupier oppressing workers and pretending to be socialist superpower as a great success. Doing it with no bloodshed typically accompanying such events was even better. Russia was not friend to workers, it was oppressive evil state and kicking it out (what started steps toward collapse of USSR) was one of greatest successes in the history of Poland. It was no accident that largest strikes in the history of country taken place during PRL and capitalism is so well regarded in Poland.
- flmontpetit 1y ago
  In other words, the rest of of us should just wait until some foreign powers dissolve our oppressors for us?
  - matkoniecz 1y ago
    People in Poland (and other areas under control of Russia) put a lot of effort into kicking out Russians and their puppets. It was not a case of waiting until foreign powers did it. (though there was a bit of external help)
constantcrying 1y ago
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- cruzcampo 1y ago
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- dang 1y ago
  Did you miss that we asked you to stop breaking the site guidelines? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43857426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43857426 You posted 19 comments since then, most of which are perpetuating this flamewar. No matter how wrong someone else is or you feel they are, this is abusive, and we ban accounts that do it. Fortunately, it looks like your comment history is mostly fine (at least the parts of it that I skimmed back through) so this should be easy to fix.