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There should be a separate white collar workers union.

by cruzcampo 1y ago

constantcrying 1y ago
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- cruzcampo 1y ago
  Why is it a zero-sum game to you? Why not advocate for all workers in the name of solidarity? There's no enemy but the class enemy.
  - constantcrying 1y ago
    Because there are conflicts of interest. Factory workers create the products which create profits. I am paid with these profits, if the profits go down engineers loose their jobs. If Factory workers longer and more efficiently my job becomes more secure. So obviously I want a union which advocates that factory workers work longer hours, it is clearly in my interest. The same goes for strikes, if factory workers strike they endanger my job and reduce the size of the engineering department, reducing my chances to get promoted.
    - cruzcampo 1y ago
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      - constantcrying 1y ago
        Their unions want my job to get outsourced and my working conditions to be made worse (RTO) why should I have the tiniest shred of solidarity with them? >Get rid of them and there'll be plenty of money for both of you. The unions? Sure, if they were gone things would become better.
        cruzcampo 1y ago
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  - matkoniecz 1y ago
    > There's no enemy but the class enemy. this is a bizarre simplification, sounding like some kind of silly propaganda I am well aware of enemies not fitting into such labeling at all (and probably there are more less obvious ones)
    - cruzcampo 1y ago
      Could you name a few?
      - matkoniecz 1y ago
        Government of Russian federation and significant part of Russian society that supports reconquering territories Russia used to control. Soccer hooligan vandals. Corrupt local politicians. Some vandals obsessed with damaging community-run geodata collection project. People who thing that overregulating everything in Europe is an exciting adventure and we should have more of it. Climate change deniers, people misunderstanding vaccines and in effect trying to resurrect diseases that were extinct locally. People with Saruman-like approach to trees. Coal miners parasiting on billions from public funds to fund coal mining (as selling coal does not allow to pay for it, at least with how much they are paid for it).
        dang 1y ago
        Could you please stop posting political/ideological/national battle comments? You've done quite a bit of that in this thread. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. I realize that many other users have been doing this as well, but each HN commenter needs to stick to the intended use of the site regardless of what others are doing. Fortunately, it looks like your comment history is mostly fine (at least the parts of it that I skimmed back through) so this should be easy to fix. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

There should be a separate white collar workers union.

constantcrying 1y ago

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cruzcampo 1y ago
Why is it a zero-sum game to you? Why not advocate for all workers in the name of solidarity? There's no enemy but the class enemy.
- constantcrying 1y ago
  Because there are conflicts of interest. Factory workers create the products which create profits. I am paid with these profits, if the profits go down engineers loose their jobs. If Factory workers longer and more efficiently my job becomes more secure. So obviously I want a union which advocates that factory workers work longer hours, it is clearly in my interest. The same goes for strikes, if factory workers strike they endanger my job and reduce the size of the engineering department, reducing my chances to get promoted.
  - cruzcampo 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - constantcrying 1y ago
      Their unions want my job to get outsourced and my working conditions to be made worse (RTO) why should I have the tiniest shred of solidarity with them? >Get rid of them and there'll be plenty of money for both of you. The unions? Sure, if they were gone things would become better.
      - cruzcampo 1y ago
        [flagged]
- matkoniecz 1y ago
  > There's no enemy but the class enemy. this is a bizarre simplification, sounding like some kind of silly propaganda I am well aware of enemies not fitting into such labeling at all (and probably there are more less obvious ones)
  - cruzcampo 1y ago
    Could you name a few?
    - matkoniecz 1y ago
      Government of Russian federation and significant part of Russian society that supports reconquering territories Russia used to control. Soccer hooligan vandals. Corrupt local politicians. Some vandals obsessed with damaging community-run geodata collection project. People who thing that overregulating everything in Europe is an exciting adventure and we should have more of it. Climate change deniers, people misunderstanding vaccines and in effect trying to resurrect diseases that were extinct locally. People with Saruman-like approach to trees. Coal miners parasiting on billions from public funds to fund coal mining (as selling coal does not allow to pay for it, at least with how much they are paid for it).
      - dang 1y ago
        Could you please stop posting political/ideological/national battle comments? You've done quite a bit of that in this thread. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. I realize that many other users have been doing this as well, but each HN commenter needs to stick to the intended use of the site regardless of what others are doing. Fortunately, it looks like your comment history is mostly fine (at least the parts of it that I skimmed back through) so this should be easy to fix. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html