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- masijo 1y agoYou know, there's a lot more to the working class than just manual labor. Anyone that depends on a wage to live is a worker, and we all share the same struggles.
- constantcrying 1y agoThe same struggles, like the quality of the office coffee machine? Bike subsidies from the employer too low?
- cruzcampo 1y ago[flagged]
- constantcrying 1y ago>No, the same struggles such as being dependent on the whims of increasingly unhinged oligarchs, while democracy is being dismantled and the planet burns in the name of the stock market. Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Does not seem to apply to me though.
- cruzcampo 1y agoWhether you see it or not, it does :-(
- seneca 1y ago[flagged]
- cruzcampo 1y ago[flagged]
- seneca 1y agoI believe you are fundamentally incorrect on the premise and the conclusion of that statement. That's why your argument doesn't resonate with me.
- aaronbaugher 1y agoIf you were writing a book about the typical history and personality of tech workers, "deeply aggrieved at the world" would have to be in there somewhere.
- seneca 1y ago[flagged]
- AndrewKemendo 1y agoThere’s infinite reason to be deeply aggrieved at the world If you find that you are not aggrieved at the world then most likely you are in a privileged bubble
- smallmancontrov 1y agoNo, things like: we obtain money by working rather than by pumping assets. We pay income tax rather than capital gains tax. Our employers are always asking for more while paying less. We do not individually have enough assets to make individual lobbying efforts EV positive, but our employers and the largest shareholders sure do. Politics is an expense for us but an investment for them -- unless we join together. Structurally we are more similar than different, even if tech workers have had it good for the last while.
- GuinansEyebrows 1y agoThings like unpaid overtime, health insurance being tied to employment, the ability to afford a house on what should be a reasonable income, protections from harassment/discrimination... unions have worked toward democratizing access to all of these things.
- cruzcampo 1y agoBut software developers are the working class. Anyone who derives their income from labor is.
- constantcrying 1y agoSure. And that is why protesting looks so ridiculous. The oppressed working class, making six figures typing away in a well furnished office.
- masijo 1y ago> making six figures typing away in a well furnished office I don't know about you but I don't make anything even remotely close to six figures...
- constantcrying 1y agoThe average US software dev does.
- cruzcampo 1y agoWe are what is called the labor aristocracy in socialist discourse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_aristocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_aristocracy It is still labor and we are still exploited - most the revenue we generate goes to capitalist interests, not us, the laborers, which are the creators of all revenue. It's just that we have it comparatively good and so are less inclined to seek out systemic change - a less favorable reading would be that we are bought off to split us off from the rest of the proletariat.
- constantcrying 1y agoUhm, my revenue goes to the shareholders of my company. Among those shareholders are me, my colleagues and the state.
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- keybored 1y agoNothing sounds as made-up as people being mad at privileged workers being on the same team as all workers. It sounds much better for them to be on the team of all workers rather than the other team, or to be out of the game entirely.
- brookst 1y agoDo you also think the working class have no business complaining about the struggles of the truly poor? And the poor can’t complain about people literally starving? You seem to be claiming that empathy is always “hollow” but I think this is at most a statement about you. Many people can be both well off and want to make things better for others. Not everyone, for sure, not enough maybe. But attacking people for showing empathy seems weird.
- jjj123 1y agoYou make it sound like organizing you and your peers is just virtue signaling toward the plight of the working class. It’s not virtue signaling. There are material gains that could be made by organizing. Layoff protection and the power to set company direction are two big ones that come to mind. It’s okay to want to unionize for selfish reasons. In fact, I think it’s borderline propaganda to suggest the only reason a wealthy person would organize is because of their own class guilt.
- GuinansEyebrows 1y agoUnless you're part of the owner class, you're still working class.