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The amount of corruption and incompetence ignored by his base is staggering. This is all because they don’t like immigration?
by yalogin 1y ago
The amount of corruption and incompetence ignored by his base is staggering. This is all because they don’t like immigration?
- nine_zeros 1y ago[flagged]
- whatever1 1y agoNo, the current system does not work for most of the people hence the "just nuke it" option sounds like a rational one. Canadian elections show that people can change their mind overnight, but unfortunately some of the changes that happened in the US institutions and the global relations will take decades to reverse (if ever).
- geremiiah 1y ago> the current system does not work for most of the people Bullshit. America is the richest country on earth. Your unemployment is remarkably low. Your disposable income is relatively high. And all the issues you complain about, like housing, are worse outside the US than in the US. Moreover, a lot of the MAGA people are NOT working class struggling families. There are a lot of middle class middle aged low digit millionaires who are certainly not hurting for anything, but for some reason really love Trump.
- adiabatichottub 1y agoIt's not just simply economic. I'd say it's more like there are many groups of people who do not feel represented by their government. Some of these groups are quite opposed to each other. Add to that politics and media that have become intentionally divisive and you get a society where everybody is mad about or scared of something.
- whatever1 1y agoHow do you explain the majority of 18-25 yo who voted for Trump? Also from polling the ones who did not vote were also leaning towards Trump. So participation was not the issue.
- NickC25 1y agoBecause if you look at the entire history of presidents with the notable exception of Barack Obama, every president has been a geriatric white dude. They've been conditioned to believe that geriatric white dudes are the only ones capable of holding the office. So, when compared with the younger black/indian woman, the natural choice was to select the old white (orange) guy.
- dragonwriter 1y ago> Because if you look at the entire history of presidents with the notable exception of Barack Obama, every president has been a geriatric white dude. That's only true for an incredibly expansive definition of geriatric: Teddy Roosevelt was 42, Kennedy 43, Obama and Grant 46, etc. By a commom conventional standard of "geriatric” in general use (65+), only Buchanan, Harrison, Reagan, Trump, and Biden qualify at the start of their first term, and only 16 total would at the end of their last term. > So, when compared with the younger black/indian woman Harris was closer to (but still older than) both the mean and median age at start of term for a President than Trump was (even if you compared her in 2024 to Trump when elected in 2016). Gender and age, sure, but the whole geriatric thing as a long-term bias evident across the whole list of Presidents is unjustified (there's probably a decent argument that the current electorate has a geriatric bias, but its not a long-term historical one.)
- mikestew 1y agoBecause if you look at the entire history of presidents with the notable exception of Barack Obama, every president has been a geriatric white dude. That’s not even true within my lifetime, let alone historically. People freaked the fuck out because Reagan was going to be all of 70 when he took office in 1982. That’s nothing compared to the fossils that they’re propping up in front of a microphone these days. 70 year olds in Congress these days are nicknamed “The Kid”.
- NickC25 1y ago> There are a lot of middle class middle aged low digit millionaires who are certainly not hurting for anything, but for some reason really love Trump. They love him because he's as degenerate as they are, and makes it cool to be white. Or so I'm told. Not that I believe any of that, just going by what Trump supporters tell me.
- timeon 1y ago> sounds like a rational one. But history has showed (with NSDAP and others) that it is not.
- danans 1y ago> But history ... You see, you lost a good chunk of voters there. Many are just voting for their candidate to hurt other people whom they don't like.
- rchaud 1y agoThe Canadian elections are structurally different though. Not everybody changed their mind, the Conservatives won more seats than before. What happened was that Bloc Quebecois and NDP voters broke ranks to vote in a Liberal MP for their riding, to block what seemed like a surefire supermajority for the Conservatives. This is possible when you don't have a 2-party system with deeply calcified divisions.
- lenerdenator 1y agoThey're not getting ahead, so... they're burning it down.
- _mlbt 1y agoYou can’t see why average Americans would want a change from many of the Biden Administration’s policies? It has nothing to do with racism, xenophobia, or transphobia. A lot of the policies were just objectively bad for average everyday Americans.
- disgruntledphd2 1y agoCan you give some examples of policies that were bad for ordinary, everyday Americans?
- shwaj 1y agoMany people disagree with the Covid response. Many people look at the Bidens’ relationship with Ukraine and wonder whether the war could have been avoided, and we wouldn’t have to hear stories about “we sent $X billions, but Zelenskyy says he received only $0.5X billions” which could have been spent here, not to mention millions of lives spared (the latter doesn’t affect ordinary Americans directly, but there you go). Edit: it’s abundantly clear that Trump is also highly corrupt. A big part of the problem is that many are only to see the other side’s corruption (not to mention the felt need to pick a side)
- txcwg002 1y agoIt's not new and it's far more broad than that. The staggering government corruption and incompetence has been ignored for decades. You can't just pretend that this is suddenly new and one sided if you want to solve the problem.
- ujkhsjkdhf234 1y agoThis both sides thing is so naive. One side is far more corrupt than the other.
- txcwg002 1y agoIt's naive and dismissive of the corruption to think it's not both sides. You're literally only seeing half the picture.
- ujkhsjkdhf234 1y agoI didn't say there wasn't corruption on both side, I said one side is far more corrupt than the other.
- hypeatei 1y agoI think it's naive not to see the "both sides" card get pulled anytime there is a criticism of the right. All the "centrists" come out to hold water for conservatives when their policies are clearly and specifically failing.
- _mlbt 1y agoThis just isn’t true, it is easy to find blatant corruption tied to politicians at all levels from both parties. Look at California, New York, Chicago, and Baltimore, look at the Biden family, the Clintons, Nancy Pelosi, Letitia James, the Democrats are just as corrupt, the mainstream media just reports on it less.
- mexicocitinluez 1y agohahahha you just named a bunch of people with no criminal charges. That's it? hahaha
- _mlbt 1y agoHow did you feel about the Biden family’s blatant corruption? Do you really think that Hunter Biden was an amazing artist and brilliant corporate energy sector lawyer that is just falling on hard times now like the rest of us? It’s a weird coincidence that he can’t sell his paintings anymore now that his Dad isn’t politically relevant anymore. Joe’s brother has also made a lot of money off of questionable government contracts.
- sirshmooey 1y agoWhat were their roles in the Biden Administration?
- _mlbt 1y agoSo if Don Junior starts selling finger paintings to Russian oligarchs and Saudi royals you’d be okay with it since he’s not officially part of the administration?
- _DeadFred_ 1y agohttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/jared-kushner-post-white-house-business-moves-saudis-wealth-fund-mohammed-bin-salman-jamal-khashoggi/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jared-kushner-post-white-house-...
- jjtheblunt 1y agoRecipients of nepotistic pardons, which is what people find suspicious.
- PicassoCTs 1y agoNo, its because they dislike a elite that ignores them- a decade of deaths of missery while the rulers declared proudly that the line goes up and thus all is good. https://shadac-pdf-files.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/styles/folwell_full/public/2025-01/Figure-3-trend.png https://shadac-pdf-files.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/s3fs-pub... A elite that fights social welfare as socialism, while at the same time removing the middle class and handing the lower classes infinite competition. Nobody cares about who the elite pretends to care for, nobody cares about corruption, they want to see that house burn down, like theirs was torched. The sounds of humanism the enemy makes, are irrelevant, as the sound of compassion made while doing nothing.
- baby_souffle 1y ago> This is all because they don’t like immigration? You could spend an entire college semester discussing how and why. Immigration is the current scapegoat for the effects of a hollowed out middle class, though.