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The technical aspects of this seem concerning. I'm wondering exactly who has the authority to set a car to this mode and how the mechanism of doing so works. Wh

by ufmace 1y ago

The technical aspects of this seem concerning. I'm wondering exactly who has the authority to set a car to this mode and how the mechanism of doing so works. What happens if you sell the car or let somebody else borrow it? Or when you get another car, or rent one? What are the failure modes of it, like if the GPS glitches a little and decides you're on a feeder or surface road when you're actually on a freeway? I think we've all seen GPS guidance devices do that. If this is actually being implemented as widely as the article suggests, I guess we'll all find out the answers to these questions pretty soon, the hard way!

rightbyte 1y ago
I guess it would work as a breath alcohol ignition interlock device when reselling. I.e. you just remove it.
- AnthonyMouse 1y ago
  That's what happens if you sell the car. What happens if the thing thinks the speed limit on a 65 MPH highway is 30 MPH? Or you have some emergency situation where a higher travel speed is a matter of life and death? Machines should never enforce laws because they don't have the ability to know when doing so would be unreasonable.
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  - brailsafe 1y ago
    > What happens if the thing thinks the speed limit on a 65 MPH highway is 30 MPH? I'd presume the state would need to update its GIS record, in the meantime you'd put your hazard lights on and move over to the right lane. > Or you have some emergency situation where a higher travel speed is a matter of life and death? Suddenly while driving, or something that you'd need to use the car for in order to travel fast? In the latter case, you'd just return to the wild and live like anyone else does without the ability to travel at arbitrarily sufficient speeds to deal with any personal emergency. These situations could be accounted for prior to repeatedly breaking speed laws and moving to some backwoods area where you'd also be screwed if it broke down.
    - AnthonyMouse 1y ago
      > I'd presume the state would need to update its GIS record, in the meantime you'd put your hazard lights on and move over to the right lane. The problem isn't the GIS record, it's that the highway is directly adjacent to a mountain and the GPS isn't accurate enough there to distinguish between the highway and the lower speed roads near it, so they can't fix it. Or maybe they just don't care to because it's a bureaucracy. Also, the highway is the only road that goes over the bridge, so it's not a one-time problem because you can't avoid using it on a regular basis. > Suddenly while driving, or something that you'd need to use the car for in order to travel fast? Why isn't the issue. The hurricane comes and the phones are down and you need to get the kid to the hospital before they bleed out. You're the on-call service tech for something which is going to result in human tragedy if you don't get there first. You're not even involved but a firefighter had to commandeer your vehicle. Stuff shouldn't be strictly enforcing rules in an emergency. > These situations could be accounted for prior to repeatedly breaking speed laws. How is the dying kid supposed to account for the only car in the area belonging to a stranger with one too many speeding tickets?
      - sokoloff 1y ago
        I not infrequently see my GPS decide that I’ve taken an exit and am on the parallel local road rather than still on the expressway.
      - brailsafe 1y ago
        > Why isn't the issue. The hurricane comes and the phones are down and you need to get the kid to the hospital before they bleed out. You're the on-call service tech for something which is going to result in human tragedy if you don't get there first. You're not even involved but a firefighter had to commandeer your vehicle. Why is definitely the issue, it's one of the first questions you might be asked when pulled over, and in this case if you don't have a good enough answer quick enough, it seems you could lose the freedom to make a determination about whether it's an issue or not.
        brailsafe 1y ago
  - Dylan16807 1y ago
    > some emergency situation where a higher travel speed is a matter of life and death Can you describe such a situation? I can't think of anything other than completely unrealistic action movie scenarios.
    - cowfarts 1y ago
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    - andrewflnr 1y ago
      Medical emergencies are not "unrealistic action movie scenarios". If my family member is bleeding and I'm driving them to the ER, I don't and shouldn't have to care about precise speed limits.
      - crooked-v 1y ago
        If you're in that situation and you've already broken the speed limit so flagrantly multiple times that the courts have installed a speed limiter, that family member may well be safer waiting for the ambulance.
        jakeogh 1y ago
        The typical "it's not incrementalism" response.
        AnthonyMouse 1y ago
        Is there any correlation between speeding tickets and the probability of getting into an accident at a given speed? If you have to exceed the speed limit by 20 MPH today, better the person who does it all the time than the person who isn't used to it, no?
        bdangubic 1y ago
        speed limits, if majority of cases are not about public safety but generators of revenue. if we all started driving the speed limit the number of accidents would not be significantly reduced while many, many cities/counties/… would fully go bankrupt. I have spent more than a decade in state&local courts records management business and can tell you this first-hand. you can cool deals if you just pay the fine and don’t come to court at all and neat stuff like that. speed limits never were and never will be about public safety
  - Esophagus4 1y ago
    > Or you have some emergency situation where a higher travel speed is a matter of life and death? Can you provide such a scenario? Or, more importantly... can you provide a reason why this hypothetical, extremely unusual edge case should take precedence over the 12,000 speeding deaths per year in our calculation? For example, I'm willing to wager more people get hurt speeding TO the hospital while their wife is in labor than preventing any sort of injury due to out of hospital birth. Even EMTs know this implicitly: ground transport is one of the most dangerous parts of their job.[1] Machines are absolutely capable of enforcing laws, and they do a pretty good job of it in many cases. Speed cameras reduce crashes and fatalities, and car breathalyzers reduce the incidences of drunk driving.[2][3][4] Even still, humans (judges) review these cases individually and decide which offenders' cars to put breathalyzers / speed limiters on. Also of note - presumably if you're a decent driver using your speeding card just this once to get your pregnant wife to the hospital, you wouldn't have repeated 100+ MPH speeding convictions on your record, so you wouldn't have a limited speed, anyway. In the US, these limiters are only installed for repeated offenses. This affects the guy who has a history of reckless driving, the same way car breathalyzers affect the guy who has a history of drunk driving. [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214140524001683 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221414052... [2] https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/pr2025/nyc-dot-speed-cameras.shtml https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/pr2025/nyc-dot-speed-camer... [3] https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/speed-cameras-reduce-injury-crashes-in-maryland-county-iihs-study-shows https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/speed-cameras-reduce-injury... [4] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7879393/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7879393/
    - 1970-01-01 1y ago
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    - strken 1y ago
      I agree with you that the road deaths caused by repeat offenders outweigh their personal safety, but if a b-double decides to side-swipe you when you're next to its cabin then you're going to need to accelerate past the speed limit for a few seconds.
    - 1970-01-01 1y ago
  - zip1234 1y ago
    Here's a solution--in an emergency, you can override it but you get a massive fine that can be removed if deemed to be true emergency.
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  - tzs 1y ago
    > What happens if the thing thinks the speed limit on a 65 MPH highway is 30 MPH? A couple thoughts on that. 1. I would expect that they won't be developing their own system for finding out speed limits and monitoring for changes. They will most likely use the same commercial sources that are used by many mapping and navigation apps and built-in car navigation systems. Those sources do occasionally have errors, but the only roads with speed limits above 55 mph there are interstates and some major divided highways. Those are all high traffic roads with plenty of drivers using navigation apps on them, so a speed limit being too low in the data is going to get quickly noticed by a lot of people and reported. Less frequently traveled roads might have data errors that last longer, which would be annoying, but the limiter does let you go 10 mph over what it thinks is the posted limit. I expect that the most common error will be missing when the type of zone changes. For example you have a 40 mph road and the data mistakenly says it goes through a business zone when actually it goes around that business zone. Business zones typically have a 25 mph limit, so you'd be stuck going 35 mph (25 mph it thinks is the limit plus 10 mph) instead of 40 mph until you get past what it thinks is the business zone. That's annoying but it is not so slow compared to the real limit that you'll be a danger to other drivers. 2. Route around the error if it is too annoying. Virginia law only gives judges the authority to require someone to use this if they have been convicted of speeding over 100 mph. That's 30 mph faster than the highest speed limit in Virginia, which is 70 mph on interstates and a few major divided highways. The limit everywhere else is 55 mph or less. 20 mph or more above the posted limit or over 85 mph in Virginia is reckless driving which is a criminal offense (a class 1 misdemeanor, which is the highest level of misdemeanor) rather than a mere infraction, with up to a year in jail and/or a $2500 fine. There should only be a few people who are forced to get one of these limiters, and they are people who arguably should be getting their driving privileges suspended for a few months at least. If they are given one of these limiters instead of their license being suspended and so driving will be inconvenient for a few months, I'm having trouble dredging up much sympathy for them. It's kind of like when someone in prison is paroled two years before their sentence is up, and then complains about the burden of having to check in with their parole officer periodically for the next two years. My feelings on people with that kind of problem are nicely summed up by Frasier's response on an episode of "Frasier" when a caller named Roger on his radio show wanted advice on something completely stupid: > Roger, at Cornell University they have an incredible piece of scientific equipment known as the tunneling electron microscope. Now, this microscope is so powerful that by firing electrons you can actually see images of the atom, the infinitesimally minute building block of our universe. Roger, if I were using that microscope right now... I still wouldn't be able to locate my interest in your problem. Thank you for your call.
  - UncleMeat 1y ago
    Almost all decisions have downsides. This is not by itself a reason to avoid the decision. We compare the costs against the benefits. Where are these emergency situations you describe? Not only have I never needed to speed for some emergency situation, I don't even think I know a single person who has had to do this. How often is "this person would have died if they got to the hospital five minutes later but the highway was clear and somebody drove them there 30mph over the limit and got there in time?"
shihab 1y ago
Will it be widely implemented? This is only for repeat offenders, which the article says would affect less than 2% drivers. Also, glitch does not look like a big problem, since for now the system will only verbally warn, just once.
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
I recall hearing about Japan putting speed limiters in all cars and using GPS to determine the road and therefore speed limit to set the limiter dynamically in vehicles. (Perhaps some details are wrong or confabulated; regardless, it’s a neat idea.) I’m in favor of such a system in theory; I’d be concerned about privacy issues but there’s no reason for such a system to require driver identification anyway.
- analog31 1y ago
  My family rented a car in England last summer, and this was an optional feature of the car. I didn't want to try it out on my first time driving on the left, so I didn't turn it on. Moreover, the speed limits on the motorways were changing in real time. I observed very little speeding -- almost none.
  - YZF 1y ago
    They have a ton of speeding cameras which is probably why.
    - 0_____0 1y ago
      My experience driving in NZ was that people generally drove the speed limit +/- 10% or so, and speeding cameras certainly weren't ubiquitous. Some places might just have a more sane driving culture?
  - scott_w 1y ago
    You’ll have been on a variable speed zone of the motorway which is covered in cameras to enforce the limit reductions. People tend to behave themselves when they think they’ll lose their toys. If you drive in an area that’s known to not be covered by cameras, you’ll see it more, though it might be less than where you’re from.
  - consp 1y ago
    My car has this feature and a method to read signs but it cannot read white exception signs. There are plenty of speed limits when wet signs which get cought by the thing as normal signs. And the maps are continuously outdated so lots of smaller roads simply do not work properly.
tzs 1y ago
> What happens if you sell the car or let somebody else borrow it? This will put an onerous burden on people who borrow cars. If they intend to go more than 10 mph over the posted speed limit in the borrowed car they will need to make sure to only borrow cars from people who have not been convicted of speeding over 100 mph and forced to have an ISA installed.
- freddie_mercury 1y ago
  Going the speed limit is an onerous burden?
  - williamscales 1y ago
    I read GP as sarcastic, as in it’s not an onerous burden at all
  - derwiki 1y ago
    It’s gotten me aggressively tailgated and subjected to dangerous passing.
    - mitthrowaway2 1y ago
      Sounds like it would have been better and safer for society if the tailgater had a speed limiter.
    - Digit-Al 1y ago
      A little while ago I was doing 20mph in a 20 zone and got overtaken by someone on an electric bicycle lol
      - 542354234235 1y ago
        Which I have no problem with, since an ebike/pedestrian collision at 25 mpg would be less serious than a vehicle/pedestrian collision at 15 mpg.
- calmbell 1y ago
ryandrake 1y ago
Also: Maybe your family has two or three cars, but only one of the people in your family needs this "enforcement". Which car do they nerf?
- potato3732842 1y ago
  Same as with breathalyzers. They'll start off with ones registered to the offender because otherwise the law wouldn't pass. Then, 5yr later, at the behest of the interests running the breathalyzer/speed limiter company, they change the law to be "all cars at this address".
rkagerer 1y ago
...like if the GPS glitches a little and decides you're on a feeder or surface road when you're actually on a freeway I recall someone analyzing records from LexisNexis or similar (maybe in a news article or lawsuit?) and uncovering all kinds of instances where they were incorrectly labeled as speeding due to crossing a lower-limit road. Unfortunately I can't find the link.
- bombcar 1y ago
  It 100% happens repeatedly to me (my car has the little "tell you the speed limit" feature). It'll suddenly say the limit is 30 because the GPS thinks I'm on the feeder road nearby.
  - mitthrowaway2 1y ago
    To account for such errors the limiter should probably set the limit to the highest of any road within ~50 m, with a possible exception for school zones that aren't immediately adjacent to highways.
- potato3732842 1y ago
  I bet all the insurance companies tracker apps and dongles make good money off that bug.
ErigmolCt 1y ago
The idea of limiting reckless driving makes sense in theory, but once you start handing over control to software (and whoever manages it), the edge cases get really messy. GPS errors, ownership changes, rentals

by ufmace 1y ago

rightbyte 1y ago

I guess it would work as a breath alcohol ignition interlock device when reselling. I.e. you just remove it.

AnthonyMouse 1y ago
That's what happens if you sell the car. What happens if the thing thinks the speed limit on a 65 MPH highway is 30 MPH? Or you have some emergency situation where a higher travel speed is a matter of life and death? Machines should never enforce laws because they don't have the ability to know when doing so would be unreasonable.
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- brailsafe 1y ago
  > What happens if the thing thinks the speed limit on a 65 MPH highway is 30 MPH? I'd presume the state would need to update its GIS record, in the meantime you'd put your hazard lights on and move over to the right lane. > Or you have some emergency situation where a higher travel speed is a matter of life and death? Suddenly while driving, or something that you'd need to use the car for in order to travel fast? In the latter case, you'd just return to the wild and live like anyone else does without the ability to travel at arbitrarily sufficient speeds to deal with any personal emergency. These situations could be accounted for prior to repeatedly breaking speed laws and moving to some backwoods area where you'd also be screwed if it broke down.
  - AnthonyMouse 1y ago
    > I'd presume the state would need to update its GIS record, in the meantime you'd put your hazard lights on and move over to the right lane. The problem isn't the GIS record, it's that the highway is directly adjacent to a mountain and the GPS isn't accurate enough there to distinguish between the highway and the lower speed roads near it, so they can't fix it. Or maybe they just don't care to because it's a bureaucracy. Also, the highway is the only road that goes over the bridge, so it's not a one-time problem because you can't avoid using it on a regular basis. > Suddenly while driving, or something that you'd need to use the car for in order to travel fast? Why isn't the issue. The hurricane comes and the phones are down and you need to get the kid to the hospital before they bleed out. You're the on-call service tech for something which is going to result in human tragedy if you don't get there first. You're not even involved but a firefighter had to commandeer your vehicle. Stuff shouldn't be strictly enforcing rules in an emergency. > These situations could be accounted for prior to repeatedly breaking speed laws. How is the dying kid supposed to account for the only car in the area belonging to a stranger with one too many speeding tickets?
    - sokoloff 1y ago
      I not infrequently see my GPS decide that I’ve taken an exit and am on the parallel local road rather than still on the expressway.
    - brailsafe 1y ago
      > Why isn't the issue. The hurricane comes and the phones are down and you need to get the kid to the hospital before they bleed out. You're the on-call service tech for something which is going to result in human tragedy if you don't get there first. You're not even involved but a firefighter had to commandeer your vehicle. Why is definitely the issue, it's one of the first questions you might be asked when pulled over, and in this case if you don't have a good enough answer quick enough, it seems you could lose the freedom to make a determination about whether it's an issue or not.
      - brailsafe 1y ago
- Dylan16807 1y ago
  > some emergency situation where a higher travel speed is a matter of life and death Can you describe such a situation? I can't think of anything other than completely unrealistic action movie scenarios.
  - cowfarts 1y ago
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  - andrewflnr 1y ago
    Medical emergencies are not "unrealistic action movie scenarios". If my family member is bleeding and I'm driving them to the ER, I don't and shouldn't have to care about precise speed limits.
    - crooked-v 1y ago
      If you're in that situation and you've already broken the speed limit so flagrantly multiple times that the courts have installed a speed limiter, that family member may well be safer waiting for the ambulance.
      - jakeogh 1y ago
        The typical "it's not incrementalism" response.
      - AnthonyMouse 1y ago
        Is there any correlation between speeding tickets and the probability of getting into an accident at a given speed? If you have to exceed the speed limit by 20 MPH today, better the person who does it all the time than the person who isn't used to it, no?
        bdangubic 1y ago
        speed limits, if majority of cases are not about public safety but generators of revenue. if we all started driving the speed limit the number of accidents would not be significantly reduced while many, many cities/counties/… would fully go bankrupt. I have spent more than a decade in state&local courts records management business and can tell you this first-hand. you can cool deals if you just pay the fine and don’t come to court at all and neat stuff like that. speed limits never were and never will be about public safety
- Esophagus4 1y ago
  > Or you have some emergency situation where a higher travel speed is a matter of life and death? Can you provide such a scenario? Or, more importantly... can you provide a reason why this hypothetical, extremely unusual edge case should take precedence over the 12,000 speeding deaths per year in our calculation? For example, I'm willing to wager more people get hurt speeding TO the hospital while their wife is in labor than preventing any sort of injury due to out of hospital birth. Even EMTs know this implicitly: ground transport is one of the most dangerous parts of their job.[1] Machines are absolutely capable of enforcing laws, and they do a pretty good job of it in many cases. Speed cameras reduce crashes and fatalities, and car breathalyzers reduce the incidences of drunk driving.[2][3][4] Even still, humans (judges) review these cases individually and decide which offenders' cars to put breathalyzers / speed limiters on. Also of note - presumably if you're a decent driver using your speeding card just this once to get your pregnant wife to the hospital, you wouldn't have repeated 100+ MPH speeding convictions on your record, so you wouldn't have a limited speed, anyway. In the US, these limiters are only installed for repeated offenses. This affects the guy who has a history of reckless driving, the same way car breathalyzers affect the guy who has a history of drunk driving. [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214140524001683 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221414052... [2] https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/pr2025/nyc-dot-speed-cameras.shtml https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/pr2025/nyc-dot-speed-camer... [3] https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/speed-cameras-reduce-injury-crashes-in-maryland-county-iihs-study-shows https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/speed-cameras-reduce-injury... [4] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7879393/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7879393/
  - 1970-01-01 1y ago
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  - strken 1y ago
    I agree with you that the road deaths caused by repeat offenders outweigh their personal safety, but if a b-double decides to side-swipe you when you're next to its cabin then you're going to need to accelerate past the speed limit for a few seconds.
  - 1970-01-01 1y ago
- zip1234 1y ago
  Here's a solution--in an emergency, you can override it but you get a massive fine that can be removed if deemed to be true emergency.
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- tzs 1y ago
  > What happens if the thing thinks the speed limit on a 65 MPH highway is 30 MPH? A couple thoughts on that. 1. I would expect that they won't be developing their own system for finding out speed limits and monitoring for changes. They will most likely use the same commercial sources that are used by many mapping and navigation apps and built-in car navigation systems. Those sources do occasionally have errors, but the only roads with speed limits above 55 mph there are interstates and some major divided highways. Those are all high traffic roads with plenty of drivers using navigation apps on them, so a speed limit being too low in the data is going to get quickly noticed by a lot of people and reported. Less frequently traveled roads might have data errors that last longer, which would be annoying, but the limiter does let you go 10 mph over what it thinks is the posted limit. I expect that the most common error will be missing when the type of zone changes. For example you have a 40 mph road and the data mistakenly says it goes through a business zone when actually it goes around that business zone. Business zones typically have a 25 mph limit, so you'd be stuck going 35 mph (25 mph it thinks is the limit plus 10 mph) instead of 40 mph until you get past what it thinks is the business zone. That's annoying but it is not so slow compared to the real limit that you'll be a danger to other drivers. 2. Route around the error if it is too annoying. Virginia law only gives judges the authority to require someone to use this if they have been convicted of speeding over 100 mph. That's 30 mph faster than the highest speed limit in Virginia, which is 70 mph on interstates and a few major divided highways. The limit everywhere else is 55 mph or less. 20 mph or more above the posted limit or over 85 mph in Virginia is reckless driving which is a criminal offense (a class 1 misdemeanor, which is the highest level of misdemeanor) rather than a mere infraction, with up to a year in jail and/or a $2500 fine. There should only be a few people who are forced to get one of these limiters, and they are people who arguably should be getting their driving privileges suspended for a few months at least. If they are given one of these limiters instead of their license being suspended and so driving will be inconvenient for a few months, I'm having trouble dredging up much sympathy for them. It's kind of like when someone in prison is paroled two years before their sentence is up, and then complains about the burden of having to check in with their parole officer periodically for the next two years. My feelings on people with that kind of problem are nicely summed up by Frasier's response on an episode of "Frasier" when a caller named Roger on his radio show wanted advice on something completely stupid: > Roger, at Cornell University they have an incredible piece of scientific equipment known as the tunneling electron microscope. Now, this microscope is so powerful that by firing electrons you can actually see images of the atom, the infinitesimally minute building block of our universe. Roger, if I were using that microscope right now... I still wouldn't be able to locate my interest in your problem. Thank you for your call.
- UncleMeat 1y ago
  Almost all decisions have downsides. This is not by itself a reason to avoid the decision. We compare the costs against the benefits. Where are these emergency situations you describe? Not only have I never needed to speed for some emergency situation, I don't even think I know a single person who has had to do this. How often is "this person would have died if they got to the hospital five minutes later but the highway was clear and somebody drove them there 30mph over the limit and got there in time?"

shihab 1y ago

Will it be widely implemented? This is only for repeat offenders, which the article says would affect less than 2% drivers. Also, glitch does not look like a big problem, since for now the system will only verbally warn, just once.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago

I recall hearing about Japan putting speed limiters in all cars and using GPS to determine the road and therefore speed limit to set the limiter dynamically in vehicles. (Perhaps some details are wrong or confabulated; regardless, it’s a neat idea.) I’m in favor of such a system in theory; I’d be concerned about privacy issues but there’s no reason for such a system to require driver identification anyway.

analog31 1y ago
My family rented a car in England last summer, and this was an optional feature of the car. I didn't want to try it out on my first time driving on the left, so I didn't turn it on. Moreover, the speed limits on the motorways were changing in real time. I observed very little speeding -- almost none.
- YZF 1y ago
  They have a ton of speeding cameras which is probably why.
  - 0_____0 1y ago
    My experience driving in NZ was that people generally drove the speed limit +/- 10% or so, and speeding cameras certainly weren't ubiquitous. Some places might just have a more sane driving culture?
- scott_w 1y ago
  You’ll have been on a variable speed zone of the motorway which is covered in cameras to enforce the limit reductions. People tend to behave themselves when they think they’ll lose their toys. If you drive in an area that’s known to not be covered by cameras, you’ll see it more, though it might be less than where you’re from.
- consp 1y ago
  My car has this feature and a method to read signs but it cannot read white exception signs. There are plenty of speed limits when wet signs which get cought by the thing as normal signs. And the maps are continuously outdated so lots of smaller roads simply do not work properly.

tzs 1y ago

> What happens if you sell the car or let somebody else borrow it? This will put an onerous burden on people who borrow cars. If they intend to go more than 10 mph over the posted speed limit in the borrowed car they will need to make sure to only borrow cars from people who have not been convicted of speeding over 100 mph and forced to have an ISA installed.

freddie_mercury 1y ago
Going the speed limit is an onerous burden?
- williamscales 1y ago
  I read GP as sarcastic, as in it’s not an onerous burden at all
- derwiki 1y ago
  It’s gotten me aggressively tailgated and subjected to dangerous passing.
  - mitthrowaway2 1y ago
    Sounds like it would have been better and safer for society if the tailgater had a speed limiter.
  - Digit-Al 1y ago
    A little while ago I was doing 20mph in a 20 zone and got overtaken by someone on an electric bicycle lol
    - 542354234235 1y ago
      Which I have no problem with, since an ebike/pedestrian collision at 25 mpg would be less serious than a vehicle/pedestrian collision at 15 mpg.
calmbell 1y ago

ryandrake 1y ago

Also: Maybe your family has two or three cars, but only one of the people in your family needs this "enforcement". Which car do they nerf?

potato3732842 1y ago
Same as with breathalyzers. They'll start off with ones registered to the offender because otherwise the law wouldn't pass. Then, 5yr later, at the behest of the interests running the breathalyzer/speed limiter company, they change the law to be "all cars at this address".

rkagerer 1y ago

...like if the GPS glitches a little and decides you're on a feeder or surface road when you're actually on a freeway I recall someone analyzing records from LexisNexis or similar (maybe in a news article or lawsuit?) and uncovering all kinds of instances where they were incorrectly labeled as speeding due to crossing a lower-limit road. Unfortunately I can't find the link.

bombcar 1y ago
It 100% happens repeatedly to me (my car has the little "tell you the speed limit" feature). It'll suddenly say the limit is 30 because the GPS thinks I'm on the feeder road nearby.
- mitthrowaway2 1y ago
  To account for such errors the limiter should probably set the limit to the highest of any road within ~50 m, with a possible exception for school zones that aren't immediately adjacent to highways.
potato3732842 1y ago
I bet all the insurance companies tracker apps and dongles make good money off that bug.

ErigmolCt 1y ago

The idea of limiting reckless driving makes sense in theory, but once you start handing over control to software (and whoever manages it), the edge cases get really messy. GPS errors, ownership changes, rentals