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Martin was also at the coup attempt on Jan 6 and on that day said "Like Mardi Gras in DC today: love, faith and joy. Ignore #FakeNews". https://archive.ph/jekzQ
by NelsonMinar 1y ago
Martin was also at the coup attempt on Jan 6 and on that day said "Like Mardi Gras in DC today: love, faith and joy. Ignore #FakeNews". https://archive.ph/jekzQ https://archive.ph/jekzQ
- kristopolous 1y ago[flagged]
- NelsonMinar 1y agoRT is not legit. It is Russian propaganda. When those people participated they were collaborators.
- myst 1y ago[flagged]
- usernomdeguerre 1y agoIf NelsonMinar doesn't say it, I will.
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- thenberlin 1y agoEntirely uncritical state controlled or substantially aligned media masquerading as news is always bad and should be criticized. See also almost anyone called on in White House press briefings these days. Plus, you are saying it like all propaganda is somehow the same. Rosie the Riveter != "Russia isn't going to do anything...well, it's America's fault...NATO something something...actually, Ukraine basically deserved it."
- consumer451 1y agoNot who you are responding to, but given that as rational humans, we have the capacity to make non-binary comparisons, Kremlin propaganda is indeed far worse than most. I say this as a European who sees clear flaws in the US system, but that does not make the Russian system good, or even a little good. It is objectively horrible. The Russian people, for one, deserve far better. It is important to point out that Russian propaganda is actually excellent propaganda. However, their message is the at the very bottom: There is no truth, up is down, nothing matters, the invader is the victim, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_propaganda_in_the_Russian_Federation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_propaganda_in_the_Russia...
- Braxton1980 1y agoIt is. Stop trying to make everything equal.
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- roenxi 1y agoEx-CIA head Brennan famously remarked in an MSNBC interview [0] that when he says something is a Russian information operation that includes dumping accurate information. So really it isn't enough to identify something as Russian propaganda - it is necessary to analyse whether it is propaganda of the accurate and informative variety, or the inaccurate variety. Propaganda really just means someone is arguing a viewpoint. The BBC is classic propaganda, but nonetheless a pretty reliable source of information and a lot of the views are very agreeable. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Shx2AR_E4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Shx2AR_E4
- chii 1y ago> a lot of the views are very agreeable That's why you don't "ignore" propaganda, but consume all, from all sides. Just consuming agreeable propaganda simply means it is working.
- exceptione 1y agoNope, you shouldn't. Because propaganda is effective. Humans are by default not influenced by logic, but rather respond on beliefs and emotions. This is one of the hardest thing to swallow for us people, we do see ourself as independent rational thinkers. We are sometimes able to, with effort. To understand it better, you should know that Russian propaganda is not designed to instill a certain belief, but rather to make you not belief the truth. The Kremlin is happy to push different, conflicting stories. You end up with a society of nihilists.
- chii 1y ago> We are sometimes able to, with effort. and i'm saying everyone should expend this effort, because otherwise, people and democracy gets taken over. It's one's civic duty to ensure that you are not making choices based on lies or manipulations.
- exceptione 1y ago> and i'm saying everyone should expend this effort, Agreed. But I would add that one shouldn't stick their head into stuff that is deliberately trying to steer you away from the truth and seeks to undermine your moral compass. I think it would help people immensely if they first could filter their sources on intent and principles. The Guardian is a better source than the newspapers from North Korea.
- SanjayMehta 1y agoThis applies to all state owned media. The US is unique that even privately held corporations push propaganda. The most gratuitous example is NYT, as documented by Ashley Rindsberg in his book “The Gray Lady Winked.”
- spacechild1 1y ago> The US is unique that even privately held corporations push propaganda. How is that unique to the US?
- ncallaway 1y agoEd Martin made 198 TV appearances on RT in 2023 and 2024. How many RT TV hits did Larry King do? How recently did King appear on RT?
- jjtheblunt 1y ago( Larry King died in Jan 2021.)
- kristopolous 1y agoapproximately 1,000 over 7 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_King_Now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_King_Now
- pests 1y agoRT America though.
- intermerda 1y ago> Not defending it, but just saying that being on RT doesn't necessarily imply anything. I'm not sure who's claiming that here. The RT appearance in question is about him spreading disinformation and Russian propaganda on the eve of Ukraine invasion.
- kristopolous 1y agoIt's pretty constant on hn. People paint everything from country X, holistically, with some broad and blunt moral brush. It reads like a cartoon. Everything from China is loaded with secret spyware snooping on you for countless unspecified evils - everything out of Russia by anyone is part of some secret global propaganda network. I point it out as absurd and reductive whenever I see it and people dogpile on me like I desecrated a sacred cow. The world is incredibly complex and a simple label doesn't cut it. Wernher von Braun was a Nazi but that doesn't mean his work on rocketry was fictional lies. You need to assess things based on the merits of the thing, not on any narratives of attributive associations you're choosing to assign.
- Braxton1980 1y ago>everything out of Russia by anyone is part of some secret global propaganda network. Who has claimed all Russians are part of a large propaganda network. This is about a government news network.
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- habinero 1y agoRussia interfered with our elections and is actively hostile to us. It's not a meme, it's real.
- foogazi 1y agoOne time sure, 150+ on the Russia propaganda network ? I’m drawing my own adult conclusions about it: “The friend of my enemy is my enemy”
- alephnan 1y agoThat’s not how foreign policy and international politics work. Every country would be enemies with every other country in that case. All the pro-Palestinian anti-Israel country would be enemies of the US then, including Japan. You’d be supporting Trump’s tariffs and anti-China us or them stance then towards every country that has friendly business relations with China, which is everybody at this point. Heck, even Taiwan and China are friends more than Westerners would like to think. Meanwhile, America is friends with countries like Saudi Arabia and countries that keeps a blind eye to the funding of terrorism in America There’s a reason the famous saying is “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” rather than “the friend of my enemy is my enemy”
- eVeechu7 1y agoComparing the choices of individuals with foreign diplomacy is specious. It is much harder for countries to have principles than individuals.
- alephnan 1y agoThe same can be said of boardroom politics and board of directors. Or investment circles such as tech venture capital
- watwut 1y agoThey don't have principles.
- psychoslave 1y agoEven "maximize the hegemonic monopolistic power of my claws" can be taken as mindset principles. Having principles is orthogonal to striving adoption of ethical fair well being for everyone.
- computerthings 1y ago[dead]
- asveikau 1y ago> Amy Goodman Source for that? My impression is that Democracy Now!, while it has a clear perspective and set of biases, has been fairly independent. I don't think Goodman herself would be involved with them, but I think some of her sometimes guests have been. In general I agree with folks replying to you that RT is not trustworthy and someone being involved with it is a red flag.
- kristopolous 1y agoHere's two: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x61wly8 https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x61wly8 or https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvxx8j https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvxx8j Chris Hedges had a show as well.
- asveikau 1y agoThanks for the first two. So she was a guest on panelist/talking head shows about her antiwar positions. I know about Chris Hedges. I wasn't asking about him.
- kristopolous 1y agoMostly I'm sensitive to the classic technique of scapegoating an external enemy as the source of failure for a poorly done internal policy. Whether it's Jews, Russians, Communists, leftists, the Chinese, immigrants, it's always some infiltrating evildoer and not the failure of policy. It's purely ideologically driven because these accusers think their thing being sabotaged, whether it's an economic policy, a candidate, whatever, is so obviously superior that only some secretive cackling outsider could be to blame for the disparity of the results Whether it's Clinton in 2016 or Trump in 2020 there's an elaborate conspiracy to explain it. Any excuse to avoid introspection. If I am anything in life I am anti-bullshit. Nothing can move productively forward when based on nonsense. So that's really the larger context here. Being part of Jan 6 is a signal, being a repeated guest on an ideological show like Nick Fuentes, Russ Roberts, or Richard Wolff, these are signals. Appearing on Rt? Not so much
- otherme123 1y agoIt's not too difficult to draw connections between Wikileaks, Assange, RT and Russian government. It's known that the GRU funneled info to Wikileaks many times, and at the same time they never published anything that could seriously affect Putin. Examples: the Dirt on opponents were published by UK newspapers. The Fancy Bear papers were published by hacker groups and online news. Pandora Papers by the ICIJ. The only leak than contains something barely close to Putin and was published on Wikileaks were the Panama Papers, that names three friends of him, not in the government. The lack of any russian officials in those papers speaks volumes. Best case scenario, they are tools. Worse case, they are assets.
- rolandog 1y ago> That's more relevant. RT has had some fairly legitimate people on it such as Larry King, Julian Assange, John Pilger, Amy Goodman... Many Pulitzer prize and Peabody winners ... It's a mixed bag, people can't be so reductive about it. Can you back up your accusations with facts? I can state that I have not seen any reprehensible reporting from Amy Goodman; but rather the opposite, backed up by facts (e.g. about mass graves on Russian-occupied areas [0]). [0]: https://www.democracynow.org/2022/9/29/ukraine_russia_mass_graves_torture_chambers https://www.democracynow.org/2022/9/29/ukraine_russia_mass_g...
- kristopolous 1y agoYeah, like 10 seconds of google search. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x61wly8 https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x61wly8 and https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvxx8j https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvxx8j