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> clinical trials measured rates as high as 90-99%. This is in the same range as, like, pulling out, for what it's worth.

by loeg 2y ago

__turbobrew__ 2y ago
Yea similar with tracking ovulation dates. Seems like pretty bad EV for messing with my nervous system.
johnisgood 2y ago
The similarity is not the same. If no semen is emitted, the chance of pregnancy is null (more about it in my other comments). Plus 90–99% suppression of ejaculation has been recorded and suggested that it has a potentially high contraceptive efficacy, so that is way better than withdrawal. Experiment, maybe it affects you in a way that you get 99%, which would make it a very efficient hormone-free male birth control pill. Side-note: personally I prefer IUDs, and/or a medication that has been extensively studied, so this pill can wait.
- loeg 2y ago
  The "as typically used" quoted figure for pulling out ("withdrawal") is 80% success, but the ideal use figure is 96-98%. If you know a little bit about yourself and also aren't going back to back without peeing, you can do a lot better than the 80% figure. (Also yeah, it's amusing that both of these figures are more or less identical to male condoms.) (Meta-comment: probably best to keep everything in "success" percentage figures for direct comparison, instead of switching to failure percentages for some figures.)
  - johnisgood 2y ago
    I edited my comment.
wonderwonder 2y ago
I have always been amazed at how effective the pull out method was. I had sex for years with my wife and always pulled out. 2x a week for probably 10 years. After we decided to have a kid, she was pregnant in a month. Really incredible how effective such a simple solution is
- jcul 2y ago
  Yeah same experience as that, and being a bit more careful around fertile times of her cycle. Was completely effective for us.
  - bethekidyouwant 2y ago
    To be fair, I think most normal people in a relationship use this method, but if you tell people on the Internet about it, they get upset for some reason.
    - dalyons 2y ago
      Most normal people? The implied judgement aside, that is wildly untrue. Most people (80+ % who are not trying for a child) use birth control, this is an easy stat to look up. Maybe people “get upset” because you’re making things up?
      - giantg2 2y ago
        I'm not saying it's a very common method (maybe, maybe not), but cycle timing is often included in "birth control" stats and used as a secondary measure with other forms of birth control.
        dalyons 2y ago
        You can just look up these numbers, of various forms of birth control. That exclude cycle timing. And none of them say it’s “most people”. Perhaps some unmeasured population uses it as a secondary method, that’s total speculation and kind of beside the point
        giantg2 2y ago
        Are we (or the grandparent) talking most people at one point in time, or most people at any time during their life? If it's the latter, then I do think it's a valid claim, but I haven't seen any stats that cover those sorts of numbers. Eg have more than 50% of people in a committed relationship never used the timing method? Most of the couples I am good friends with have used the cycle timing method when they want another kid, want to delay it, but are open to having one sooner. This is also commonly combined with secondary measures, such as condoms, pulling out, or even abstinence during the fertile window (why measure cycle timing if you're not changing your behavior, using another method, based on the observation).

> clinical trials measured rates as high as 90-99%. This is in the same range as, like, pulling out, for what it's worth.

by loeg 2y ago

> clinical trials measured rates as high as 90-99%. This is in the same range as, like, pulling out, for what it's worth.

__turbobrew__ 2y ago

Yea similar with tracking ovulation dates. Seems like pretty bad EV for messing with my nervous system.

johnisgood 2y ago

The similarity is not the same. If no semen is emitted, the chance of pregnancy is null (more about it in my other comments). Plus 90–99% suppression of ejaculation has been recorded and suggested that it has a potentially high contraceptive efficacy, so that is way better than withdrawal. Experiment, maybe it affects you in a way that you get 99%, which would make it a very efficient hormone-free male birth control pill. Side-note: personally I prefer IUDs, and/or a medication that has been extensively studied, so this pill can wait.

loeg 2y ago
The "as typically used" quoted figure for pulling out ("withdrawal") is 80% success, but the ideal use figure is 96-98%. If you know a little bit about yourself and also aren't going back to back without peeing, you can do a lot better than the 80% figure. (Also yeah, it's amusing that both of these figures are more or less identical to male condoms.) (Meta-comment: probably best to keep everything in "success" percentage figures for direct comparison, instead of switching to failure percentages for some figures.)
- johnisgood 2y ago
  I edited my comment.

wonderwonder 2y ago

I have always been amazed at how effective the pull out method was. I had sex for years with my wife and always pulled out. 2x a week for probably 10 years. After we decided to have a kid, she was pregnant in a month. Really incredible how effective such a simple solution is

jcul 2y ago
Yeah same experience as that, and being a bit more careful around fertile times of her cycle. Was completely effective for us.
- bethekidyouwant 2y ago
  To be fair, I think most normal people in a relationship use this method, but if you tell people on the Internet about it, they get upset for some reason.
  - dalyons 2y ago
    Most normal people? The implied judgement aside, that is wildly untrue. Most people (80+ % who are not trying for a child) use birth control, this is an easy stat to look up. Maybe people “get upset” because you’re making things up?
    - giantg2 2y ago
      I'm not saying it's a very common method (maybe, maybe not), but cycle timing is often included in "birth control" stats and used as a secondary measure with other forms of birth control.
      - dalyons 2y ago
        You can just look up these numbers, of various forms of birth control. That exclude cycle timing. And none of them say it’s “most people”. Perhaps some unmeasured population uses it as a secondary method, that’s total speculation and kind of beside the point
        giantg2 2y ago
        Are we (or the grandparent) talking most people at one point in time, or most people at any time during their life? If it's the latter, then I do think it's a valid claim, but I haven't seen any stats that cover those sorts of numbers. Eg have more than 50% of people in a committed relationship never used the timing method? Most of the couples I am good friends with have used the cycle timing method when they want another kid, want to delay it, but are open to having one sooner. This is also commonly combined with secondary measures, such as condoms, pulling out, or even abstinence during the fertile window (why measure cycle timing if you're not changing your behavior, using another method, based on the observation).