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Not to be blunt, but isn't this the end of habeas corpus, if the federal government can black bag anybody they want to without a trial, and then maintain they h

by i80and 1y ago

Not to be blunt, but isn't this the end of habeas corpus, if the federal government can black bag anybody they want to without a trial, and then maintain they have no ability to obey judicial orders to return them?

treetalker 1y ago
That will be moot once Trump suspends habeas corpus.
- matwood 1y ago
  Assuming they pick up and send someone out of the country quickly, it's already de facto suspended now.
stego-tech 1y ago
Yes, and that was the point all along.
csolorio 1y ago
They're using the excuse that he's not a citizen. Slippery slope.
- hobs 1y ago
  They simply have to not validate you are a US citizen, no rights for anyone means no rights for everyone.
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- sorcerer-mar 1y ago
  It's not a slippery slope, it's blatantly unconstitutional already.
- fanatic2pope 1y ago
  They have already said they want to send US citizens there too. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-house-confirms-trump-is-exploring-ways-to-deport-us-citizens_n_67f580abe4b0a5ea5c7608d2 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-house-confirms-trump-is...
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- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  Habeus corpus is only suspended in war. Not a citizen doesn’t mean Russia can jail any American connecting in Moscow because they had a bad haircut.
croes 1y ago
Isn’t Guantanamo something similar? At least the government didn’t pretend they can’t they just don’t want to
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- KerrAvon 1y ago
  Yes, but Guantanamo should have been closed (Obama promised to do this! he didn't do it!) and the people who masterminded it should have been thrown in jail. But, no, we had to "look forward" and not punish the war criminals in our immediate past.
  - xnx 1y ago
    > Obama promised to do this! he didn't do it! True, but important to know that Republican congress stopped every attempt he made. He still got the number of prisoners down from 242 to 55.
    - croes 1y ago
      Didn’t some Democrats help stopping?
      - i80and 1y ago
        The EO was signed in 2009. The 2009-2011 Congress was Democratically controlled.
        alabastervlog 1y ago
        "Close our terrible and unnecessary human rights black hole" was, sadly, too far "left" for a bunch of Democrats, and of course Republicans love that kind of stuff, so they weren't going to help.
    - femiagbabiaka 1y ago
bananapub 1y ago
correct, and in another place they're claiming that the habeas petition that was filed to save another victim was invalid because it was filed in the wrong state, because the Feds had kidnapped the woman, then refused to say where they had taken her until she was safely in a friendlier jurisdiction. due process has already died.

by i80and 1y ago

treetalker 1y ago

That will be moot once Trump suspends habeas corpus.

matwood 1y ago
Assuming they pick up and send someone out of the country quickly, it's already de facto suspended now.

stego-tech 1y ago

Yes, and that was the point all along.

csolorio 1y ago

They're using the excuse that he's not a citizen. Slippery slope.

hobs 1y ago
They simply have to not validate you are a US citizen, no rights for anyone means no rights for everyone.
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sorcerer-mar 1y ago
It's not a slippery slope, it's blatantly unconstitutional already.
fanatic2pope 1y ago
They have already said they want to send US citizens there too. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-house-confirms-trump-is-exploring-ways-to-deport-us-citizens_n_67f580abe4b0a5ea5c7608d2 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-house-confirms-trump-is...
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JumpCrisscross 1y ago
Habeus corpus is only suspended in war. Not a citizen doesn’t mean Russia can jail any American connecting in Moscow because they had a bad haircut.

croes 1y ago

Isn’t Guantanamo something similar? At least the government didn’t pretend they can’t they just don’t want to

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KerrAvon 1y ago
Yes, but Guantanamo should have been closed (Obama promised to do this! he didn't do it!) and the people who masterminded it should have been thrown in jail. But, no, we had to "look forward" and not punish the war criminals in our immediate past.
- xnx 1y ago
  > Obama promised to do this! he didn't do it! True, but important to know that Republican congress stopped every attempt he made. He still got the number of prisoners down from 242 to 55.
  - croes 1y ago
    Didn’t some Democrats help stopping?
    - i80and 1y ago
      The EO was signed in 2009. The 2009-2011 Congress was Democratically controlled.
      - alabastervlog 1y ago
        "Close our terrible and unnecessary human rights black hole" was, sadly, too far "left" for a bunch of Democrats, and of course Republicans love that kind of stuff, so they weren't going to help.
  - femiagbabiaka 1y ago

bananapub 1y ago

correct, and in another place they're claiming that the habeas petition that was filed to save another victim was invalid because it was filed in the wrong state, because the Feds had kidnapped the woman, then refused to say where they had taken her until she was safely in a friendlier jurisdiction. due process has already died.