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- cadamsdotcom 2y agoExciting - the article implies it came from a collection of improvements. Best of all they’re claiming the improvement is observed across platforms! 2 questions the article didn’t address: 1. What were the changes, and what was each one’s contribution to the total? 2. How much - if any - of this improvement be observed in other Chromium browsers?
- smartmic 2y agoI checked what "Windows Blog / Microsoft Edge" is about. It says "Microsoft Edge news and product updates for developers focused on Microsoft Edge". If it was for end users, I'd have no problem with such superficial articles. But targeting developers - this is a shame and shows again and again Microsoft's culture around not supporting technically minded people (I don't even think of mentioning the term "hacker" in connection with Microsoft) with understanding what's going on under the hood. This is exactly the core promise of FOSS software and should be an eye-opener for not using proprietary software whenever possible (in this case, MS Edge).
- close04 2y agoThey made a chart where the the 28 bar is 40% of the size of the 32 bar. How to lie with charts. Their intended audience is made of IT news sites publishing filler.
- snitch182 2y agoInteresting. Talking about it as if it was their achievement. Was it ?
- AshleysBrain 2y agoWish they said what they actually did to get these improvements!
- solardev 2y agoThey could probably just load one fewer ad and postpone all the Copilot and Bing Rewards crap for a few seconds... Sigh. Edge on Chromium was actually light and fast when it first came out, before Microsoft polled a Microsoft and enshittified it with all the unnecessary crapware.
- est 2y agoEdge could easy win over Chrome if they support ManifestV2
- cedws 2y agocd chromium && git pull
- raymondgh 2y agoI have this strange hypocritical mental model which simultaneously dismisses improvements to Edge as irrelevant while also wishing and rooting for more browser competition elsewhere.
- solardev 2y agoEdge was never going to be that once Microsoft gave up on their own renderer. It's just Chrome with a Microsoft skin now. On the other hand, it's exciting that Kagi is working on Orion. Ladybird will be interesting too. Maybe manifestv2 deprecation will start another browser war...
- userbinator 2y agoIt's just Chrome with a Microsoft skin now. Microsoft could've made it look like IE and attracted a lot of that crowd with "same familiar UI, better rendering", but instead they decided to take the dumbed-down UI that Chrome had and add more MS-specific yet largely-useless or hostile features.
- franga2000 2y agoWe aren't rooting for browser competition, but browser engine competition. Microsoft is clearly not interested in maintaining their own engine, so any users that switch to Edge are ultimately still giving market share and consequently power over the web standards to Google.
- refulgentis 2y agoI find it a very funny meme that Google controls web standards. Well I used to find it abstractly okay to worry about, then funny, and now annoying because it's used as a thought-terminating cliche.
- Vinnl 2y agoIt effectively decides how most people experience the web, and that doesn't change when people use Edge.
- buccal 2y agoGraph with misleading y-axis does not give any credibility to Microsoft.
- metaphor 2y agoCurious how the blog post published April 10 goes out of its way to highlight Speedometer 3.0...almost 2 weeks after 3.1 was released[1]. [1] https://browserbench.org/announcements/speedometer3.1/ https://browserbench.org/announcements/speedometer3.1/
- qwertyhu66 2y agoThe y-axis of the graph isn't even labelled
- feverzsj 2y agoNot feeling any difference. The only significant change is my custom fonts are reset.
- Dwedit 2y agoMicrosoft Edge sends every URL you visit to Microsoft. Hard pass.
- tonyhart7 2y agois it true or just some analytical data?
- Dwedit 2y agoIt was true in 2023, but I haven't found any updates on the story since then. It was sending a request to the domain "bingapis.com" with HTTP referer of the current page. Thus, sending your URL to Microsoft. It was a feature that could be turned off, but was on by default.
- tonyhart7 2y agohow can this possible??? EU or DOJ should sue the fuck out of microsoft since its ON by default
- thyristan 2y agoThey should, yes. Don't know why DOJ doesn't. But in case of the EU, Microsoft is handled with very soft gloves in all aspects because corrupt idiotic bureaucrats on all levels can't imagine a life without their Windows, Outlook and Excel. So the throw their hands up in the air, cry "but there are no alternatives, we cannot do anything here" and continue their extended post-lunch-sleep.
- jasonjayr 2y agoWhat is the feature that can be shut off ?
- Dwedit 2y agohttps://www.theverge.com/2023/4/25/23697532/microsoft-edge-browser-url-leak-bing-privacy https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/25/23697532/microsoft-edge-b... It's the "Show suggestions to follow creators in Microsoft Edge" feature. But that's not the only time Edge has been caught with a feature that sends all your URLs to Microsoft: https://x.com/scriptjunkie1/status/1152280517972299777 https://x.com/scriptjunkie1/status/1152280517972299777 - "Anonymous" statistics sends your Windows SID along with the URL visited for the smartscreen feature https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/147rdv4/microsoft_edges_enhance_image_feature_is_sending/ https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/147rdv4/microsoft... - an Image Enhancement feature sends image URLs to Microsoft https://www.reddit.com/r/AskNetsec/comments/96nwgd/microsoft_edge_sends_your_urls_to_bing_even_when/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskNetsec/comments/96nwgd/microsoft... - With search suggestions enabled, search suggestions and URLs entered into address bar go to Microsoft regardless of which search engine is selected (Really, typing http: or https: ought to mean no suggestions generated at all)
- bni 2y agoOne good thing the EU mandated recently is that you can uninstall Edge. On my gaming PC, I installed LibreWolf from the Microsoft store instead.
- barrenko 2y agoThank you so much for this tidbit, did it promptly.
- hu3 2y agoThat's great. They could do the same with Safari.
- berkes 2y agoThey should. But if they can is not that certain. IANAL, but when I asked a person somewhat involved in EU anti-trust processes, osx and macos aren't even close to be classified as monopolies in most of the EU, so the idea that Apple is abusing their monopoly to enforce their own tech on users, doesn't apply that clearly.
- zamadatix 2y agoEU antitrust doesn't require a monopoly (or even majority marketshare), just abuse of a dominant position. I still wouldn't bet on them going after macOS Safari any time soon, it's a much weaker argument they've been able to force much because of it (unlike iOS Safari).
- bni 2y agoThey did, on iPhone and iPad. The way I understand it, the EU doesn't care about Mac at all since it has so low market share.
- Kamshak 2y agoAny perf improvement is great but the way they promote it seems a bit much? 1.7% faster navigation times 2% faster startup times 5% to 7% improvement in web page responsiveness I'd say in practice a 2% faster startup time is probably barely noticeable?
- jansan 2y agoIt's is not noticeable at all. Also, you would barely see the difference in the chart if they actually used a zero axis. Here is a better (more honest) chart: Edge 132 | 28.8 ############################# Edge 133 | 29.6 ############################## Edge 134 | 32.7 #################################
- hnuser123456 2y agoAlmost enough to counteract the additional adware bloat from an average monthly Windows update
- aucisson_masque 2y ago> 1.7% faster navigation times No one cares honestly, not even the hardest edge fan. It would be more interesting to know how they improved edge performance.
- ExoticPearTree 2y agoI use Edge as I used to use Internet Explorer: to download Chrome. MS seems unable or unwilling to make a decent browser. Edge can't be started until you click next through three screens where it tries to make you to create an account with them. The default homepage is full of ads on that website of theirs. I could go on and on, but seriously, I don't think anyone cares about Edge performance.
- jupp0r 2y agoAside: it’s impressive how the whole blog post does not mention a single detail of what they actually did to achieve these performance improvements. Code changes, really?
- Traubenfuchs 2y agoWe are using the same medium/platform (browser with HTML/JS/CSS) for decades (plural!) now and mostly using the same, boring websites. How come there is still so much performance to gain and how come there is still so much NEED for it? In the time CPU's and browsers got twice as fast together, it seems like web apps got twice as slow. The only web app that people use a lot that has any justification to demand this is probably google maps 3D mode -but then again, we already had that webgl magic a DECADE ago as well. Look at the most used websites. All of them are mostly text, images and sometimes (4k) video. All of this should be blazingly fast by now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-visited_websites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-visited_websites
- breadwinner 2y agoI switched to Chrome after noticing severe problems with Edge: The laptop's fan would turn on and task manager shows no processes consuming high CPU. Eventually I found that Edge is the culprit. Killing every Edge process quiets the fan. Another problem with Edge is intrusion into the web page. Curved corners for example. Every pixel in the page belongs to the application, and Edge is intruding. When you select text Edge shows its own menu, and you're confused as to whether the application is showing the menu or Edge.
- parliament32 2y agoI wonder how this compares to barebones Chrome, given that they're both Chromium-based. I don't love Edge but at work I use it almost exclusively, because of the tighter integration with the Windows identity/authentication broker -- SSO flows are much less painful (read: effectively transparent) if your org uses AAD/EntraID as an IdP. EDIT: I tested myself and it actually is ~4.8% faster than stock Chrome, using this benchmark anyway.
- zelon88 2y ago> These results come from our field telemetry, which represent real-world web usage on all types of hardware and websites. I wonder what the speedup would be without field telemetry. Also what is the electrical consumption for all the telemetry-related packets hopping around the internet? What would the speedup be like for the internet itself if we stopped using telemetry on everything.
- dirkg 2y agoMost websites send massive amounts of telemetry data which is never mentioned but somehow MS doing this for Windows/Edge etc, which they fully disclose, always is. e.g. Netflix/YouTube