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Jeff Geerling won't connect his dishwasher to your stupid cloud [video]
- gnabgib 2y agoDiscussion (1006 points, 13 days ago, 661 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43463200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43463200
- slavik81 2y agoThis was almost my experience when my dishwasher died last year. When looking for reviews and advice, everyone recommended Bosch. However, when I saw it had WiFi, I baulked. After a lot of humming and hawwing, I decided against the Bosch 500 solely because I didn't want a dishwasher with WiFi. The saleslady thought I was crazy. Instead, I got an equivalently priced KitchenAid KDFM404KPS1 and am quite happy with it, with only minor quibbles. One of the wheels on the bottom rack is attached to a movable row of prongs, and if you push the row too hard in the wrong direction, you can knock the wheel off. You can just pop the wheel back on, but it's an occasional mild annoyance. Aside from that, I have no complaints.
- marcusb 2y agoFor whatever it’s worth, I have a previous-generation Bosch 500 (no wifi.) I generally like it a lot, but it has similar minor annoyances (the top tray will come off its guide rail on one side, but that won’t be obvious until the tray doesn’t slide all the way back in.) In other words, I don’t think Bosch is any better in the “minor quibble” department.
- FloatArtifact 2y agoYou know, my GE oven won't do the air frying mode without Wi-Fi.
- mdaniel 2y agoI would deeply love an FTC complaint for false advertising if the box claims it has air frying but attempting to use it in your cabin in the woods doesn't ed: err, I guess under a different FTC, I guess
- FloatArtifact 2y agoYour appliances are your next smart TV.
- wildrhythms 2y agoWhat scares me is if these appliances will connect to any open network in order to phone home without the user's consent.
- FirmwareBurner 2y agoWhen was the last time you saw any open networks in residential homes? All wifi access points use WPA2 and passwords out of the box in the last 10+ years. There might be one from some random hotel lobby nearby or neighbor with a Windows Vista PC, but that's the exception nowadays, not the rule.
- fuzzy2 2y agoJust now, because Vodafone is running Wi-Fi hotspots on their customers' routers. (It's opt-out.) An appliance wouldn't be able to use that, of course.
- FirmwareBurner 1y agoThose are not open but require in-browser authentication for customers.
- rpgwaiter 2y agoI know it’s not common but I’ve kept a client-isolated open wifi hotspot on my property for a long time. You never know when someone might be in the neighborhood and need a connection! So far, a single client has connected in 4 years and I can’t remember if that was me or not.
- frizlab 2y agoI used to do that but now I have put a password on my guest wifi with a QR code for easy typing (which I still have not printed; I should do that one of these days).
- cptskippy 2y agoThey won't even have to be open. ISPs like Comcast have been offering the ability to connect to Comcast hotspots that are just running on consumer's routers. How long before they offer that as a service to 3rd parties like Bosch or LG?
- api 2y agoOnly regulation can fix this, because for the company it's nothing but upside. They can double-dip by selling data, gather data on their users, etc. There is no downside. There are nowhere near enough knowledgeable people who will balk at this stuff, and even if there are it won't matter if/when everyone does it. All economic incentives encourage maximum invasion of user privacy. That's almost universally true in my experience.
- jjeaff 1y agoRegulation is maybe the most likely route, but the other is for customers to continue to vote with their wallet. if more and more people refuse to buy these listening devices, then they will stop doing it.
- eszed 1y agoCan you point to any examples of this happening in the last decade or so? For now, I agree with the GP that: > There are nowhere near enough knowledgeable people who will balk at this stuff.
- paulddraper 2y ago“I can’t wash the dishes because the Internet is out”
- euroderf 1y agoI am surprised that nobody has tried to market some kind of "smart medication dispenser" that will leave people without their meds when the net is out.
- RobKohr 1y agoYep, I got the same exact dishwasher because it was highly rated, and noped out of connecting it to the cloud. The only buttons I press though are power and start. Just make my dishes clean oh magic cleaning box. I also hate the touch buttons too. My favorites were the old washers with the big clicking square block buttons. I also like for the modes when you pushed one down, the others would pop up. Of course this was about 40 years ago, and such things are ancient history.