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The software engineers willing to pay $10k to help them land a coding job

31 points by wallflower 2y ago

duxup 2y ago
>I was kind of being a little bit sarcastic, but I guess everyone received it somewhat well, and I just kind of went with it Is this just based on some guy's sarcastic LinkedIn post and then transitions to just a regular story about the job market? And then later: >But it had the desired effect: helping him stand out. But actually: >While De La Rosa is still looking for a full-time staff position, he's gotten contract work in the meantime. wtf? It didn't seem to do the thing at all ...
- no_wizard 2y ago
  Business Insider lost its way, somewhere. I feel like their journalistic standards used to be fairly high, but they're like Forbes now. A shell of what they used to be, it seems.
  - Animats 2y ago
    > they're like Forbes now Forbes used to be good, but that was when Malcomb Forbes, Sr. was alive. He died in 1990.
leptoniscool 2y ago
this is such a large red-flag.. with layers of conflicts of interest
oncallthrow 2y ago
Referrals are near-worthless, you're wasting your money
- liquidise 2y ago
  For whom? Given the signal:noise ratio of job postings my intuition is that they are more valuable than ever, for all parties.
- eikenberry 2y ago
  Referrals worth is inversely correlated with the company size. Referrals at very small companies can lead directly to hiring (no interview) where at large enterprise shops it won't even get you past the initial screen. So, as with near everything, it varies based on the context.
- klipklop 2y ago
  At big tech I am going to have to agree. At best it has allowed me to skip the phone screen. Beyond that, it's zero advantage. Even with a really high up employee.
  - t-writescode 2y ago
    Given the raw lack of even phone screening interviews I'm getting lately, I would take even getting to that stage, to be honest. Though I would love to get some general honesty in company recruiting state, to know where to spend my time. LinkedIn posts that keep being "reposted" are ... problematic, imo.
SOLAR_FIELDS 2y ago
$10k USD cash is exactly what a startup I used to work for would pay employees for a successful referral (hired and work in the position for some set amount of time). That seems to be the going price for a successful SDE hire as of the time of writing this comment. Here it just looks like the employee wants to pay that instead of the employer. Note that I’m not commenting on the ethics or other wider aspects around why prospective employees might feel like they want to pay this, I’m only pointing out that the number is not unreasonable or abnormal
- littlexsparkee 2y ago
  Standard rate I've seen is $5k (N = 2)
mathgeek 2y ago
Paying directly for referrals that lead to an offer seems a natural result of how much the value of an internal referral has increased since the automation war turned its guns at job boards. Even with how much less a generic referral means now, it’s still a numbers game.
jasonjmcghee 2y ago
Companies pay recruiters more than $10k for an engineer regularly. I've been quoted 25% of 1 year salary as the referral cost (which felt high).
- louthy 2y ago
  A percentage of the first year salary is quite normal in the UK. Usually going to £0 if the hire doesn’t pass their trial period. The percentage is a negotiation point.
  - dcsan 2y ago
    negotiation point for whom the recruiter or does the recruit actually know about the numbers?
    - louthy 2y ago
      If the recruiter wants your recurring business then they’ll move their percentage to be more favourable for you. I’ve got 10% rates in the past. Always negotiate.
- nradov 2y ago
  The usual recruiter fee for regular mid-level employees is less than 25% but it's highly variable and negotiable. The fee can vary a lot depending on how hot the market is and your volume of business.
foxyv 2y ago
Please note, that if someone is asking for payment in exchange for employment or help with recruitment, it is very often a scam. Be very careful of such schemes. https://consumer.gov/scams-identity-theft/job-scams-explained https://consumer.gov/scams-identity-theft/job-scams-explaine... > Never pay to get a job. Honest employers won’t ask you to pay to get a job. And they won’t send you a check and tell you to send some of the money back. That’s a scam. The check will end up being fake.
- tartoran 2y ago
  And probably payment shouldn't be made until after some time on job to ensure the job is real and the company's not sketchy.
  - deleted 2y ago
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- eek2121 2y ago
  Agreed, however, I took the headline to mean software devs are willing to drop money to a friend/colleague, and only after the fact. Probably just me though.
drewcoo 2y ago
Put that coffee down. Coffee's for closers only.
- colonelspace 2y ago
  The leads, are weak.
dailykoder 2y ago
6 figures? I only take jobs with free fruit basket. That's the minimum. PS, my references: I have never used cursor, I am quite bad at vibe coding and don't enjoy it at all. I rarely even use AI for help. But I am quite decent at FPGA design and embedded developemnt. If you have a job for me in germany or remote in europe, then I will pay you with very bad humor every week. Possibility of using linux+neovim is a requirement though. (Yes, I really need a job)
- zupa-hu 2y ago
  Maybe you should repost here to reach a more qualified audience: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43547609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43547609
  - dailykoder 2y ago
    Yes, I'm preparing my portfolio right now. Got a bit more time
- yapyap 2y ago
  No vibe coding? I’m sorry to inform you you did not pass our informal vibe check and therefore we will not be able to extend a job offer to you. Have a good life! ~ Sillycon Valley
- dan-robertson 2y ago
  It’s pretty normal for programmers to make over $100k in plenty of companies in much of the US. Big tech companies may pay a reasonable amount more when you consider equity, especially in high cost of living areas. Programmer salaries have diverged a lot between the United States and Europe in the last 30 years. (This comes up basically every time remuneration is discussed on this forum). Hardware engineer pay has not seen such rises in the United States or Europe though I don’t know how much FPGA work ends up in the hardware bucket rather than the software one. Some financial firms will pay well by American standards in Europe and also make use of FPGAs, though I don’t know how many you’d find in Germany. Programmers are also well paid in Switzerland. Maybe one thing to add: ‘bad humor’ is a bit hard to parse in English – it sounds like a cross between ‘bad humored’ which roughly means ‘unpleasant to be around’ and ‘bad sense of humor’, which is what I think you intend.
biesnecker 2y ago
$10k is such an insanely small amount of money (compared to SWE salaries) for someone at a big tech company to risk their job for.
neilv 2y ago
It's a go-getter idea in general, but this part is very questionable: > So if you want to make some extra cash for referrals, Lots of companies were already shooting themselves in the foot, by introducing conflicts of interest in paying referral bonuses. But for the companies that weren't already insane in the membrane, regarding referrals, it looks like a bribe.
tkiolp4 2y ago
I don’t know. I have never referred anyone, but then in my 10+ years of experience in the software industry I have never found extremely talented or extremely untalented software engineers. Most of them, including myself, were between a 4 and a 6 or so (in a scale of 1 to 10). So, I always thought about offering referrals to strangers just by looking at their linkedin profiles/cvs/blogs. Chances are, they are also between 4 and a 6. This whole “we hire the best of the best” and interviews with 5+ rounds should be eradicated asap.
- joshdavham 2y ago
  > This whole “we hire the best of the best” […] should be eradicated asap. This in particular has always perplexed me. Every company says they only hire the best, but then if that’s the true, then like basically everyone with a job is “the best”.
  - josephg 2y ago
    Do many companies say that? Ive barely heard of any companies which turn away good (but not great) candidates. I know Netflix and Google at least used to - and a lot of very small startups started by good people. But most places I’ve done consulting work at seem very happy to hire whole teams of average talent.
  - TideAd 2y ago
    What they're really saying is, "we make an effort to hire smart/effective people, as opposed to the places that don't and as a result have a soul-crushing mediocrity culture". Places that actually hire people that approximate "the best" are known by reputation, and don't have to say that.
    - nradov 2y ago
      What places have that reputation where it's actually deserved? For any large company it's mathematically impossible for people to be "the best". Once a company reaches the scale of, let's say, Google then almost all of the employees will be mediocre.
mikedelfino 2y ago
What does it take to land a six-figure coding job? The $10k reward alone is nearly half of my annual income. I have no idea how good you have to be to earn that much.
- thfuran 2y ago
  Pretty much just being in the US.
- ZeWaka 2y ago
  Depends on the company. If you're going for FAANG-ish, it's pretty competitive. Plenty of tech companies that aren't The Big Ones that will pay those salaries though, even in non-HCOL areas (in the US).
- alabastervlog 2y ago
  $75k is basically entry level right out of college, in one of the weaker (like, 3rd tier city) markets in the US. Straight salary, not counting benefits. Child care and health care are really expensive, though, and can burn a surprising amount of that in a hurry. Even in “lesser” markets where housing’s within reach of someone making that much, healthcare and child care can hurt the ol’ pocket book. Entry level in hotter cities will be over $100k, and the lower end of mid-tier in weaker cities will be over $100k. You don’t have to be good at all, the handful of truly-bad developers I’ve met seem to do fine.
- t-writescode 2y ago
  If you're making $20k / year as a software developer in any part of: * The United States (80k - 300k USD) * Europe (50k - 90k Euro) * Canada (70 - 120 CAD) You're being paid wildly below market rate and should start looking for a job immediately.
  - thfuran 2y ago
    >Europe (50k - 90k Euro) Northern and western Europe, maybe.
Joel_Mckay 2y ago
In general, many staffing agencies already take a percentage to fill roles without the applicants knowledge, and as such often suppress fair market value for defined roles. Always apply directly to the company you are interested in attending. Once you are in a staffing agencies database the hiring firms are often contractually obligated not to directly hire you. If an agency asks for money, free labor, or other stupid scams... than you probably don't want to work there anyway. =3 This company was legitimate at one time, but YMMV with these types of services: https://www.aerotek.com/ https://www.aerotek.com/
lumost 2y ago
I suspect that we are trending towards a baseline where interviews are gamed too heavily to be useful. If your pool of interviewers becomes calibrated to external candidates who either use competitive programmers in their stead or well tuned AI - it wont be practical to hire.
hellisothers 2y ago
Pay me $10k and I’ll train you up to get a (mobile) FAANGy job in a couple months. Paying for the referral you’re not getting much.
- lylejantzi3rd 1y ago
  If you can really do that, you should slap a course together and sell it for $10k a pop.
ryandrake 2y ago
Isn't this kind of what an Agent does in the world of Hollywood actors? I would actually love to have some person that I paid who was constantly out there scouting for actual roles that look lucrative and attainable, help with the rote filling-out of forms, help with company research and interview coaching, helping to grease wheels internally (if possible), and importantly, helping with compensation negotiation which I've always been bad at. Traditional recruiters really don't do much of this at all, and generally act in the best interest of the employer rather than the candidate. We should have agents who could work for us and had our own best interests in mind, for a change.
- dexwiz 2y ago
  You can work with third party recruiters. They are incentivized to find you a good job as their payout is coupled to your salary and you staying there for at least a given time.
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    Yea, but most of them scale too much and have 1,000 clients looking for 1,000 jobs. That's not enough focus for me to pay for. I wouldn't pay $10K or even $1K for that level of service. Ideally, my "agent" would have max 2-3 other candidates, and offer a totally white glove service: They know my comp preferences, my location (or remote) preference, my ideal company size, industry, desired job level. They would know my schedule and go out and do all the searching and filtering, the application legwork, and basically only get back to me when the interview is scheduled and I need to show up. Then, afterward, they would take care of all the salary negotiation/maximization and let me know the offer and starting date. I'd probably be willing to pay 5-15% of my first year's salary for that level of service. Don't quote me on that, but as a rough approximation, I feel like the toil of job hunting is so extreme that I'd be willing to part with a significant chunk of change for someone who could actually reduce that toil and deliver a real job offer or two.
- fragmede 2y ago
  Yeah but we (developers, collectively) are a bunch of cheap asses that will spend hours automating something that was only going to take 20 minutes anyway. That's our whole reason for being. So while the agent model could work well, it'll always be a niche product, like selling an IDE or better debugger.
robotnikman 2y ago
I actually tried this a few months ago, but via talking with some friends I know IRL, saying I would pay if they could land me a new position. I wish I thought of what this guy did and posted it on social media. I'm desperate to land a WFH position again.
- lylejantzi3rd 1y ago
  I'm guessing it didn't work? It doesn't sound like it worked for this guy, either.
w10-1 2y ago
I believe the uncomfortable truth that drives highly-incentivized hiring is twofold: 1. There are many more qualified candidates than jobs. That happened with outsourcing and remote, well before AI. That makes hiring errors are mostly undiscoverable. 2. Chemistry matters -- a lot -- in working together, leading to premiums for connections and a bias towards mutually-beneficial referral networks, which makes performance evaluation very difficult. (Objective standards tend to make success game-able, particularly with inside knowledge.) Desperation is not pretty, opportunity distribution is far from optimal, and teams are rarely open and objective about membership.
Gualdrapo 2y ago
I use(d) to post my stuff at the "Who wants to be hired?"/"Freelancer? Seeking a freelancer?" posts from here. At one time (like two years ago) I got an email from someone claiming they would get me a job but I'd need to give them 10% (or 15%? can't remember) of whatever I was to earn.
runarb 2y ago
https://archive.is/P9hbg https://archive.is/P9hbg
singularity2001 2y ago
I'll pay $2000 if you land me a job/contract. AI expert[0] with best grades in math, shouldn't be too hard. I'm just not good at reaching out / networking. [0] but no academic track record in AI, just github
Uptrenda 2y ago
Tech lads taking on 6 figure jobs and getting 7 figure mental health problems be like: "I love tech... keep grinding "

31 points by wallflower 2y ago

>I was kind of being a little bit sarcastic, but I guess everyone received it somewhat well, and I just kind of went with it Is this just based on some guy's sarcastic LinkedIn post and then transitions to just a regular story about the job market? And then later: >But it had the desired effect: helping him stand out. But actually: >While De La Rosa is still looking for a full-time staff position, he's gotten contract work in the meantime. wtf? It didn't seem to do the thing at all ...

no_wizard 2y ago
Business Insider lost its way, somewhere. I feel like their journalistic standards used to be fairly high, but they're like Forbes now. A shell of what they used to be, it seems.
- Animats 2y ago
  > they're like Forbes now Forbes used to be good, but that was when Malcomb Forbes, Sr. was alive. He died in 1990.

leptoniscool 2y ago

this is such a large red-flag.. with layers of conflicts of interest

oncallthrow 2y ago

Referrals are near-worthless, you're wasting your money

liquidise 2y ago
For whom? Given the signal:noise ratio of job postings my intuition is that they are more valuable than ever, for all parties.
eikenberry 2y ago
Referrals worth is inversely correlated with the company size. Referrals at very small companies can lead directly to hiring (no interview) where at large enterprise shops it won't even get you past the initial screen. So, as with near everything, it varies based on the context.
klipklop 2y ago
At big tech I am going to have to agree. At best it has allowed me to skip the phone screen. Beyond that, it's zero advantage. Even with a really high up employee.
- t-writescode 2y ago
  Given the raw lack of even phone screening interviews I'm getting lately, I would take even getting to that stage, to be honest. Though I would love to get some general honesty in company recruiting state, to know where to spend my time. LinkedIn posts that keep being "reposted" are ... problematic, imo.

SOLAR_FIELDS 2y ago

$10k USD cash is exactly what a startup I used to work for would pay employees for a successful referral (hired and work in the position for some set amount of time). That seems to be the going price for a successful SDE hire as of the time of writing this comment. Here it just looks like the employee wants to pay that instead of the employer. Note that I’m not commenting on the ethics or other wider aspects around why prospective employees might feel like they want to pay this, I’m only pointing out that the number is not unreasonable or abnormal

littlexsparkee 2y ago
Standard rate I've seen is $5k (N = 2)

mathgeek 2y ago

Paying directly for referrals that lead to an offer seems a natural result of how much the value of an internal referral has increased since the automation war turned its guns at job boards. Even with how much less a generic referral means now, it’s still a numbers game.

jasonjmcghee 2y ago

Companies pay recruiters more than $10k for an engineer regularly. I've been quoted 25% of 1 year salary as the referral cost (which felt high).

louthy 2y ago
A percentage of the first year salary is quite normal in the UK. Usually going to £0 if the hire doesn’t pass their trial period. The percentage is a negotiation point.
- dcsan 2y ago
  negotiation point for whom the recruiter or does the recruit actually know about the numbers?
  - louthy 2y ago
    If the recruiter wants your recurring business then they’ll move their percentage to be more favourable for you. I’ve got 10% rates in the past. Always negotiate.
nradov 2y ago
The usual recruiter fee for regular mid-level employees is less than 25% but it's highly variable and negotiable. The fee can vary a lot depending on how hot the market is and your volume of business.

foxyv 2y ago

Please note, that if someone is asking for payment in exchange for employment or help with recruitment, it is very often a scam. Be very careful of such schemes. https://consumer.gov/scams-identity-theft/job-scams-explained https://consumer.gov/scams-identity-theft/job-scams-explaine... > Never pay to get a job. Honest employers won’t ask you to pay to get a job. And they won’t send you a check and tell you to send some of the money back. That’s a scam. The check will end up being fake.

tartoran 2y ago
And probably payment shouldn't be made until after some time on job to ensure the job is real and the company's not sketchy.
- deleted 2y ago
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eek2121 2y ago
Agreed, however, I took the headline to mean software devs are willing to drop money to a friend/colleague, and only after the fact. Probably just me though.

drewcoo 2y ago

Put that coffee down. Coffee's for closers only.

colonelspace 2y ago
The leads, are weak.

dailykoder 2y ago

6 figures? I only take jobs with free fruit basket. That's the minimum. PS, my references: I have never used cursor, I am quite bad at vibe coding and don't enjoy it at all. I rarely even use AI for help. But I am quite decent at FPGA design and embedded developemnt. If you have a job for me in germany or remote in europe, then I will pay you with very bad humor every week. Possibility of using linux+neovim is a requirement though. (Yes, I really need a job)

zupa-hu 2y ago
Maybe you should repost here to reach a more qualified audience: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43547609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43547609
- dailykoder 2y ago
  Yes, I'm preparing my portfolio right now. Got a bit more time
yapyap 2y ago
No vibe coding? I’m sorry to inform you you did not pass our informal vibe check and therefore we will not be able to extend a job offer to you. Have a good life! ~ Sillycon Valley
dan-robertson 2y ago
It’s pretty normal for programmers to make over $100k in plenty of companies in much of the US. Big tech companies may pay a reasonable amount more when you consider equity, especially in high cost of living areas. Programmer salaries have diverged a lot between the United States and Europe in the last 30 years. (This comes up basically every time remuneration is discussed on this forum). Hardware engineer pay has not seen such rises in the United States or Europe though I don’t know how much FPGA work ends up in the hardware bucket rather than the software one. Some financial firms will pay well by American standards in Europe and also make use of FPGAs, though I don’t know how many you’d find in Germany. Programmers are also well paid in Switzerland. Maybe one thing to add: ‘bad humor’ is a bit hard to parse in English – it sounds like a cross between ‘bad humored’ which roughly means ‘unpleasant to be around’ and ‘bad sense of humor’, which is what I think you intend.

biesnecker 2y ago

$10k is such an insanely small amount of money (compared to SWE salaries) for someone at a big tech company to risk their job for.

neilv 2y ago

It's a go-getter idea in general, but this part is very questionable: > So if you want to make some extra cash for referrals, Lots of companies were already shooting themselves in the foot, by introducing conflicts of interest in paying referral bonuses. But for the companies that weren't already insane in the membrane, regarding referrals, it looks like a bribe.

tkiolp4 2y ago

I don’t know. I have never referred anyone, but then in my 10+ years of experience in the software industry I have never found extremely talented or extremely untalented software engineers. Most of them, including myself, were between a 4 and a 6 or so (in a scale of 1 to 10). So, I always thought about offering referrals to strangers just by looking at their linkedin profiles/cvs/blogs. Chances are, they are also between 4 and a 6. This whole “we hire the best of the best” and interviews with 5+ rounds should be eradicated asap.

joshdavham 2y ago
> This whole “we hire the best of the best” […] should be eradicated asap. This in particular has always perplexed me. Every company says they only hire the best, but then if that’s the true, then like basically everyone with a job is “the best”.
- josephg 2y ago
  Do many companies say that? Ive barely heard of any companies which turn away good (but not great) candidates. I know Netflix and Google at least used to - and a lot of very small startups started by good people. But most places I’ve done consulting work at seem very happy to hire whole teams of average talent.
- TideAd 2y ago
  What they're really saying is, "we make an effort to hire smart/effective people, as opposed to the places that don't and as a result have a soul-crushing mediocrity culture". Places that actually hire people that approximate "the best" are known by reputation, and don't have to say that.
  - nradov 2y ago
    What places have that reputation where it's actually deserved? For any large company it's mathematically impossible for people to be "the best". Once a company reaches the scale of, let's say, Google then almost all of the employees will be mediocre.

mikedelfino 2y ago

What does it take to land a six-figure coding job? The $10k reward alone is nearly half of my annual income. I have no idea how good you have to be to earn that much.

thfuran 2y ago
Pretty much just being in the US.
ZeWaka 2y ago
Depends on the company. If you're going for FAANG-ish, it's pretty competitive. Plenty of tech companies that aren't The Big Ones that will pay those salaries though, even in non-HCOL areas (in the US).
alabastervlog 2y ago
$75k is basically entry level right out of college, in one of the weaker (like, 3rd tier city) markets in the US. Straight salary, not counting benefits. Child care and health care are really expensive, though, and can burn a surprising amount of that in a hurry. Even in “lesser” markets where housing’s within reach of someone making that much, healthcare and child care can hurt the ol’ pocket book. Entry level in hotter cities will be over $100k, and the lower end of mid-tier in weaker cities will be over $100k. You don’t have to be good at all, the handful of truly-bad developers I’ve met seem to do fine.
t-writescode 2y ago
If you're making $20k / year as a software developer in any part of: * The United States (80k - 300k USD) * Europe (50k - 90k Euro) * Canada (70 - 120 CAD) You're being paid wildly below market rate and should start looking for a job immediately.
- thfuran 2y ago
  >Europe (50k - 90k Euro) Northern and western Europe, maybe.

Joel_Mckay 2y ago

In general, many staffing agencies already take a percentage to fill roles without the applicants knowledge, and as such often suppress fair market value for defined roles. Always apply directly to the company you are interested in attending. Once you are in a staffing agencies database the hiring firms are often contractually obligated not to directly hire you. If an agency asks for money, free labor, or other stupid scams... than you probably don't want to work there anyway. =3 This company was legitimate at one time, but YMMV with these types of services: https://www.aerotek.com/ https://www.aerotek.com/

lumost 2y ago

I suspect that we are trending towards a baseline where interviews are gamed too heavily to be useful. If your pool of interviewers becomes calibrated to external candidates who either use competitive programmers in their stead or well tuned AI - it wont be practical to hire.

hellisothers 2y ago

Pay me $10k and I’ll train you up to get a (mobile) FAANGy job in a couple months. Paying for the referral you’re not getting much.

lylejantzi3rd 1y ago
If you can really do that, you should slap a course together and sell it for $10k a pop.

ryandrake 2y ago

Isn't this kind of what an Agent does in the world of Hollywood actors? I would actually love to have some person that I paid who was constantly out there scouting for actual roles that look lucrative and attainable, help with the rote filling-out of forms, help with company research and interview coaching, helping to grease wheels internally (if possible), and importantly, helping with compensation negotiation which I've always been bad at. Traditional recruiters really don't do much of this at all, and generally act in the best interest of the employer rather than the candidate. We should have agents who could work for us and had our own best interests in mind, for a change.

dexwiz 2y ago
You can work with third party recruiters. They are incentivized to find you a good job as their payout is coupled to your salary and you staying there for at least a given time.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  Yea, but most of them scale too much and have 1,000 clients looking for 1,000 jobs. That's not enough focus for me to pay for. I wouldn't pay $10K or even $1K for that level of service. Ideally, my "agent" would have max 2-3 other candidates, and offer a totally white glove service: They know my comp preferences, my location (or remote) preference, my ideal company size, industry, desired job level. They would know my schedule and go out and do all the searching and filtering, the application legwork, and basically only get back to me when the interview is scheduled and I need to show up. Then, afterward, they would take care of all the salary negotiation/maximization and let me know the offer and starting date. I'd probably be willing to pay 5-15% of my first year's salary for that level of service. Don't quote me on that, but as a rough approximation, I feel like the toil of job hunting is so extreme that I'd be willing to part with a significant chunk of change for someone who could actually reduce that toil and deliver a real job offer or two.
fragmede 2y ago
Yeah but we (developers, collectively) are a bunch of cheap asses that will spend hours automating something that was only going to take 20 minutes anyway. That's our whole reason for being. So while the agent model could work well, it'll always be a niche product, like selling an IDE or better debugger.

robotnikman 2y ago

I actually tried this a few months ago, but via talking with some friends I know IRL, saying I would pay if they could land me a new position. I wish I thought of what this guy did and posted it on social media. I'm desperate to land a WFH position again.

lylejantzi3rd 1y ago
I'm guessing it didn't work? It doesn't sound like it worked for this guy, either.

w10-1 2y ago

I believe the uncomfortable truth that drives highly-incentivized hiring is twofold: 1. There are many more qualified candidates than jobs. That happened with outsourcing and remote, well before AI. That makes hiring errors are mostly undiscoverable. 2. Chemistry matters -- a lot -- in working together, leading to premiums for connections and a bias towards mutually-beneficial referral networks, which makes performance evaluation very difficult. (Objective standards tend to make success game-able, particularly with inside knowledge.) Desperation is not pretty, opportunity distribution is far from optimal, and teams are rarely open and objective about membership.

Gualdrapo 2y ago

I use(d) to post my stuff at the "Who wants to be hired?"/"Freelancer? Seeking a freelancer?" posts from here. At one time (like two years ago) I got an email from someone claiming they would get me a job but I'd need to give them 10% (or 15%? can't remember) of whatever I was to earn.

runarb 2y ago

https://archive.is/P9hbg https://archive.is/P9hbg

singularity2001 2y ago

I'll pay $2000 if you land me a job/contract. AI expert[0] with best grades in math, shouldn't be too hard. I'm just not good at reaching out / networking. [0] but no academic track record in AI, just github

Uptrenda 2y ago

Tech lads taking on 6 figure jobs and getting 7 figure mental health problems be like: "I love tech... keep grinding "