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This makes no sense. You can literally register to vote at the DMV and I know very few adult Americans, of one ethnicity or another, who don't have a driver's l

This makes no sense. You can literally register to vote at the DMV and I know very few adult Americans, of one ethnicity or another, who don't have a driver's license.

tzs 2y ago
Around 9% of US citizens 18 or older do not have a non-expired driver's license. It's even more for various minorities [1][2]. [1] https://cdce.umd.edu/sites/cdce.umd.edu/files/pubs/Voter%20ID%202023%20survey%20Key%20Results%20Jan%202024%20%281%29.pdf https://cdce.umd.edu/sites/cdce.umd.edu/files/pubs/Voter%20I... [2] https://papersplease.org/wp/2024/06/07/who-lacks-id-in-america-today/ https://papersplease.org/wp/2024/06/07/who-lacks-id-in-ameri...
- leflambeur 2y ago
  I only mentioned DMVs to point out that even if you didn't set out to get a voting document, you can still check the box and get it. In other words, it's not "people need driver's licenses to vote".
- dzhiurgis 2y ago
  Aren't poor and dumb usually republicans tho?
  - UncleMeat 2y ago
    The poor disproportionately votes left. Somebody who is poor and lives without a valid ID that meets voting requirements is also not necessarily dumb.
piva00 2y ago
Almost 10% of eligible voters do not have access to citizenship proof at ready[0]. Trump changed voting rules to require proof of citizenship[1]. Disenfranchising 21 million voters makes sense now, no? [0] https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/213-million-american-citizens-voting-age-dont-have-ready-access https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/213-... [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/25/politics/voting-proof-of-citizenship-requirements-trump-executive-order/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/25/politics/voting-proof-of-...
- ltbarcly3 2y ago
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  - Terr_ 2y ago
    "Things that might work for other purposes" != "An ID your State government is guaranteed to accept with the new rules they want to impose."
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - ltbarcly3 2y ago
      Effectively everyone has an official, state issued ID. If you know someone who doesn't you should say so.
      - aredox 2y ago
        Read all the responses in these threads instead of relying on ChatGPT to "think" for you.
        ltbarcly3 2y ago
        It's tiring to explain to people that they don't understand what they are responding to.
  - aredox 2y ago
    There are literally dozens of links in these threads showing how wrong you are. >Name one person who can legally vote but was prevented from voting from this. Literally thousands of people were barred to vote by last-minute voting roll purges. Virginia, Georgia... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/eligible-voters-swept-up-conservative-activists-purge-voter-rolls/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/eligib...
  - orwin 2y ago
kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
RealID documentation requirements are a PITA. I have a birth certificate and passport and valid DL and it still was a nuisance the accumulate the required point allocation. People without those golden documents can be very hard pressed to meet the bar.
ncallaway 2y ago
> I know very few adult Americans Do you think there's a chance there's a selection bias to your random sampling of the population?
- leflambeur 2y ago
  It's easier if you just tell me what the bias is. Incidentally, there are many less privileged people around me and, let me tell you, they're not going to work on foot.
  - mitthrowaway2 2y ago
    Do any of them take the bus to work?
  - bawolff 2y ago
    Most people are friends with people like themselves? The selection bias of extrapolating an entire country (not to mention one as large and diverse as usa) by using your friend group should be very obvious.
    - leflambeur 2y ago
      Yet I wasn't talking about my friends. I live in a large city and get to see many people I don't know every single day. Incidentally, my friends are much more likely to not need to drive at all (tech or otherwise who WFH) than the average person around me.
      - bawolff 2y ago
        Do you often ask people you don't know if they have a driver's license? > live in a large city Ah yes, large cities. Famous for their rural populations.
        leflambeur 2y ago
        You're not arguing in good faith. Wait, are you telling me that rural populations have less proclivity to drive?
hiddencost 2y ago
Cities. It's cities.
Aloha 2y ago
You dont know many poor people, or very young people. I work a furry convention in the Southern US, about 3% of our attendees have some ID related malady - can't get a timely appointment at DMV, missing core documentation, unable to prove residency, etc - nevermind rural voters who may live hours from a DMV.. which they can't get to without a license (assuming they can afford a car) or a ride. No bus service to speak of either. Its a huge issue, I'd 100% support voter ID if getting an ID was free and easy, without it I'm skeptical.
- leflambeur 2y ago
  I'm with you
- matwood 2y ago
  Yeah, see the article about "RealID" yesterday. The first step is to require an ID, and the next step is to make it harder to get. For example, a married woman without a perfect paper trail of name changes? No Id.
  - Spivak 2y ago
    I unironically keep an original copy of those documents in my safety deposit box because of this. In theory I should be able to go to the courthouse and get another copy but if 40 years down the line they've lost them I'm screwed. I feel bad for the people in states that don't require court orders for this because they apparently have the worst time trying to update accounts.
Terr_ 2y ago
> This makes no sense. You can literally register to vote at the DMV. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/feb/19/john-oliver/office-provides-id-voting-one-wisconsin-burg-open-/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/feb/19/john-olive... > driver's license Republicans are trying to make it so that the vast majority of drivers' licenses do not work either. You may have to get a new one, with passport-level paperwork.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  That politifact page literally states there are close by DMVs that are open every week. Not sure what point is trying to be made.
nemothekid 2y ago
What state do you live in? I think this argument is very frustrating when people who live largely in blue states (like California) that don't up any hurdles to getting an ID, can't imagine the level of dysfunction that is intentionally executed in other states in order to prevent people from getting IDs. Yeah, everyone you know has a valid ID because you don't live in a battleground state that is currently fighting electoral welfare. Republicans don't care to put up barriers to getting an ID in California, Texas or New York.

This makes no sense. You can literally register to vote at the DMV and I know very few adult Americans, of one ethnicity or another, who don't have a driver's license.

tzs 2y ago

Around 9% of US citizens 18 or older do not have a non-expired driver's license. It's even more for various minorities [1][2]. [1] https://cdce.umd.edu/sites/cdce.umd.edu/files/pubs/Voter%20ID%202023%20survey%20Key%20Results%20Jan%202024%20%281%29.pdf https://cdce.umd.edu/sites/cdce.umd.edu/files/pubs/Voter%20I... [2] https://papersplease.org/wp/2024/06/07/who-lacks-id-in-america-today/ https://papersplease.org/wp/2024/06/07/who-lacks-id-in-ameri...

leflambeur 2y ago
I only mentioned DMVs to point out that even if you didn't set out to get a voting document, you can still check the box and get it. In other words, it's not "people need driver's licenses to vote".
dzhiurgis 2y ago
Aren't poor and dumb usually republicans tho?
- UncleMeat 2y ago
  The poor disproportionately votes left. Somebody who is poor and lives without a valid ID that meets voting requirements is also not necessarily dumb.

piva00 2y ago

Almost 10% of eligible voters do not have access to citizenship proof at ready[0]. Trump changed voting rules to require proof of citizenship[1]. Disenfranchising 21 million voters makes sense now, no? [0] https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/213-million-american-citizens-voting-age-dont-have-ready-access https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/213-... [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/25/politics/voting-proof-of-citizenship-requirements-trump-executive-order/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/25/politics/voting-proof-of-...

ltbarcly3 2y ago
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- Terr_ 2y ago
  "Things that might work for other purposes" != "An ID your State government is guaranteed to accept with the new rules they want to impose."
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - ltbarcly3 2y ago
    Effectively everyone has an official, state issued ID. If you know someone who doesn't you should say so.
    - aredox 2y ago
      Read all the responses in these threads instead of relying on ChatGPT to "think" for you.
      - ltbarcly3 2y ago
        It's tiring to explain to people that they don't understand what they are responding to.
- aredox 2y ago
  There are literally dozens of links in these threads showing how wrong you are. >Name one person who can legally vote but was prevented from voting from this. Literally thousands of people were barred to vote by last-minute voting roll purges. Virginia, Georgia... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/eligible-voters-swept-up-conservative-activists-purge-voter-rolls/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/eligib...
- orwin 2y ago

kevin_thibedeau 2y ago

RealID documentation requirements are a PITA. I have a birth certificate and passport and valid DL and it still was a nuisance the accumulate the required point allocation. People without those golden documents can be very hard pressed to meet the bar.

ncallaway 2y ago

> I know very few adult Americans Do you think there's a chance there's a selection bias to your random sampling of the population?

leflambeur 2y ago
It's easier if you just tell me what the bias is. Incidentally, there are many less privileged people around me and, let me tell you, they're not going to work on foot.
- mitthrowaway2 2y ago
  Do any of them take the bus to work?
- bawolff 2y ago
  Most people are friends with people like themselves? The selection bias of extrapolating an entire country (not to mention one as large and diverse as usa) by using your friend group should be very obvious.
  - leflambeur 2y ago
    Yet I wasn't talking about my friends. I live in a large city and get to see many people I don't know every single day. Incidentally, my friends are much more likely to not need to drive at all (tech or otherwise who WFH) than the average person around me.
    - bawolff 2y ago
      Do you often ask people you don't know if they have a driver's license? > live in a large city Ah yes, large cities. Famous for their rural populations.
      - leflambeur 2y ago
        You're not arguing in good faith. Wait, are you telling me that rural populations have less proclivity to drive?

hiddencost 2y ago

Cities. It's cities.

Aloha 2y ago

You dont know many poor people, or very young people. I work a furry convention in the Southern US, about 3% of our attendees have some ID related malady - can't get a timely appointment at DMV, missing core documentation, unable to prove residency, etc - nevermind rural voters who may live hours from a DMV.. which they can't get to without a license (assuming they can afford a car) or a ride. No bus service to speak of either. Its a huge issue, I'd 100% support voter ID if getting an ID was free and easy, without it I'm skeptical.

leflambeur 2y ago
I'm with you
matwood 2y ago
Yeah, see the article about "RealID" yesterday. The first step is to require an ID, and the next step is to make it harder to get. For example, a married woman without a perfect paper trail of name changes? No Id.
- Spivak 2y ago
  I unironically keep an original copy of those documents in my safety deposit box because of this. In theory I should be able to go to the courthouse and get another copy but if 40 years down the line they've lost them I'm screwed. I feel bad for the people in states that don't require court orders for this because they apparently have the worst time trying to update accounts.

Terr_ 2y ago

> This makes no sense. You can literally register to vote at the DMV. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/feb/19/john-oliver/office-provides-id-voting-one-wisconsin-burg-open-/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/feb/19/john-olive... > driver's license Republicans are trying to make it so that the vast majority of drivers' licenses do not work either. You may have to get a new one, with passport-level paperwork.

anonfordays 2y ago
That politifact page literally states there are close by DMVs that are open every week. Not sure what point is trying to be made.

nemothekid 2y ago

What state do you live in? I think this argument is very frustrating when people who live largely in blue states (like California) that don't up any hurdles to getting an ID, can't imagine the level of dysfunction that is intentionally executed in other states in order to prevent people from getting IDs. Yeah, everyone you know has a valid ID because you don't live in a battleground state that is currently fighting electoral welfare. Republicans don't care to put up barriers to getting an ID in California, Texas or New York.