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This only matters if people care enough to act appropriately when that is broken.

by madeofpalk 2y ago

krapp 2y ago
I guess we'll see what matters when Trump orders the tanks to roll into Canada.
- erkt 2y ago
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  - UltraSane 2y ago
    With Trump you can never be sure. His is very very stupid.
  - boredatoms 2y ago
    Im pretty sure Canada isn’t treating it like a joke
  - the_gastropod 2y ago
    Yes. For 10 years now, we’ve been hearing how hysterical the predictions about Trump’s actions are. And then he does them. And goal posts are moved, frogs are boiled, whatever analogy you prefer. Dude’s, right now, disappearing people against court orders to forced labor camps in other countries with no due process. He’s talking about taking over Canada and Greenland. What makes you think this is unrealistic? Why do you believe what you believe?
    - kelnos 2y ago
      At best -- at best -- the rhetoric about Canada and Greenland is just yet another distraction from all the other domestic crap he and Musk are pulling. At slightly less than best, he wants to scare other countries into making concessions favorable to the US (or at even less than best, favorable to Trump and his cronies). But yes, I would not be terribly surprised if Trump were to use boots on the ground -- or at least the threat of such -- to expand the US's territory in some way.
      - soulofmischief 2y ago
        Underestimating your enemy, or buying into all these media talking points about his will-they-won't-they energy and "epic trolling", will have disastrous effects. The most culpable person down the list after the apathetic are those who refuse to take tragedy and security threats seriously.
    - lmm 2y ago
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      - throwaway290 2y ago
        > > For 10 years now, we’ve been hearing how hysterical the predictions about Trump’s actions are. And then he does them. > We've been hearing hysterical things about every Republican candidate for at least 30 years. Nothing ever happens. I think you replied to something you made up to avoid replying to the actual thing. It was that in case of Trump apparently there is a history of ppl saying "surely it is joke and president would never do that" but then the president does exactly that. Not about hysterical things talked about US presidents. After many cases where he said "I'll do that" then people like you said "no that's insane he's not going to do that don't worry" and then he does it, a sane person should assume that maybe he talks without thinking but then he sticks to what he blurted. And those things include attacking allies bordering with USA So it can be up to USA military to uphold constitution or do what president says.
        lmm 2y ago
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        throwaway290 2y ago
        It looks like Trump's second presidency is very different from the first and a bunch of things actually happened like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43511213 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43511213, renaming of international water bodies, rugpull meme cryptocoins, DOGE and stuff it does, appointing convicted criminals to the gov, tax cuts on the rich, tariffs on allies (UK/Taiwan), pardoning darknet druglord, disappeared a Muslim student and terminated her visa apparently for coauthoring a pro-Palestinian op-ed in university newspaper (https://apnews.com/article/tufts-student-detained-massachusetts-immigration-6c3978da98a8d0f39ab311e092ffd892 https://apnews.com/article/tufts-student-detained-massachuse...) etc. Things are happening very quickly
        2y ago
  - renewiltord 2y ago
    A curse of the youth is that they desire living in interesting times. They’ll work themselves up into a lather over it.
    - beepbooptheory 2y ago
      A curse of the old is that they are doomed to see the world only as they have always known it, to always be "right," leaving them at best to die bitter; at worst, confused.
- thih9 2y ago
  This wouldn’t happen today. Today there is talk about Canada becoming 51st state; there is relatively little opposition to that - on the contrary, the perception of Canada as a US ally drops in the US[1]. Four more years of this and I could see people similarly accepting tanks. And if you want to prevent this, the time to act is now. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/trump-poll-allies-enemies-friends-canada-uk-eu-tariffs-5fbb1aa714d60162919d131db40b222b https://apnews.com/article/trump-poll-allies-enemies-friends...
  - fweimer 2y ago
    Surely no one currently in power wants Canadians to vote in U.S. Federal elections? So it has to be a setup like Puerto Rico (U.S. citizenship without representation in Washington) or even American Samoa (no U.S. citizenship). The 51st state thing does not make sense at all.
  - zerd 2y ago
    90% oppose the idea. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/u-s-eh-who-are-the-canadians-who-would-support-a-51st-state-1.7472194 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/u-s-eh-who-are-the-canadians-...

This only matters if people care enough to act appropriately when that is broken.

krapp 2y ago

I guess we'll see what matters when Trump orders the tanks to roll into Canada.

erkt 2y ago
[flagged]
- UltraSane 2y ago
  With Trump you can never be sure. His is very very stupid.
- boredatoms 2y ago
  Im pretty sure Canada isn’t treating it like a joke
- the_gastropod 2y ago
  Yes. For 10 years now, we’ve been hearing how hysterical the predictions about Trump’s actions are. And then he does them. And goal posts are moved, frogs are boiled, whatever analogy you prefer. Dude’s, right now, disappearing people against court orders to forced labor camps in other countries with no due process. He’s talking about taking over Canada and Greenland. What makes you think this is unrealistic? Why do you believe what you believe?
  - kelnos 2y ago
    At best -- at best -- the rhetoric about Canada and Greenland is just yet another distraction from all the other domestic crap he and Musk are pulling. At slightly less than best, he wants to scare other countries into making concessions favorable to the US (or at even less than best, favorable to Trump and his cronies). But yes, I would not be terribly surprised if Trump were to use boots on the ground -- or at least the threat of such -- to expand the US's territory in some way.
    - soulofmischief 2y ago
      Underestimating your enemy, or buying into all these media talking points about his will-they-won't-they energy and "epic trolling", will have disastrous effects. The most culpable person down the list after the apathetic are those who refuse to take tragedy and security threats seriously.
  - lmm 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      > > For 10 years now, we’ve been hearing how hysterical the predictions about Trump’s actions are. And then he does them. > We've been hearing hysterical things about every Republican candidate for at least 30 years. Nothing ever happens. I think you replied to something you made up to avoid replying to the actual thing. It was that in case of Trump apparently there is a history of ppl saying "surely it is joke and president would never do that" but then the president does exactly that. Not about hysterical things talked about US presidents. After many cases where he said "I'll do that" then people like you said "no that's insane he's not going to do that don't worry" and then he does it, a sane person should assume that maybe he talks without thinking but then he sticks to what he blurted. And those things include attacking allies bordering with USA So it can be up to USA military to uphold constitution or do what president says.
      - lmm 2y ago
        [flagged]
        throwaway290 2y ago
        It looks like Trump's second presidency is very different from the first and a bunch of things actually happened like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43511213 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43511213, renaming of international water bodies, rugpull meme cryptocoins, DOGE and stuff it does, appointing convicted criminals to the gov, tax cuts on the rich, tariffs on allies (UK/Taiwan), pardoning darknet druglord, disappeared a Muslim student and terminated her visa apparently for coauthoring a pro-Palestinian op-ed in university newspaper (https://apnews.com/article/tufts-student-detained-massachusetts-immigration-6c3978da98a8d0f39ab311e092ffd892 https://apnews.com/article/tufts-student-detained-massachuse...) etc. Things are happening very quickly
        2y ago
- renewiltord 2y ago
  A curse of the youth is that they desire living in interesting times. They’ll work themselves up into a lather over it.
  - beepbooptheory 2y ago
    A curse of the old is that they are doomed to see the world only as they have always known it, to always be "right," leaving them at best to die bitter; at worst, confused.
thih9 2y ago
This wouldn’t happen today. Today there is talk about Canada becoming 51st state; there is relatively little opposition to that - on the contrary, the perception of Canada as a US ally drops in the US[1]. Four more years of this and I could see people similarly accepting tanks. And if you want to prevent this, the time to act is now. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/trump-poll-allies-enemies-friends-canada-uk-eu-tariffs-5fbb1aa714d60162919d131db40b222b https://apnews.com/article/trump-poll-allies-enemies-friends...
- fweimer 2y ago
  Surely no one currently in power wants Canadians to vote in U.S. Federal elections? So it has to be a setup like Puerto Rico (U.S. citizenship without representation in Washington) or even American Samoa (no U.S. citizenship). The 51st state thing does not make sense at all.
- zerd 2y ago
  90% oppose the idea. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/u-s-eh-who-are-the-canadians-who-would-support-a-51st-state-1.7472194 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/u-s-eh-who-are-the-canadians-...