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Also while Apples software quality has definitely diminished over the years, Windows in the same period has utterly CRATERED. Like I get along fine with 11 for

Also while Apples software quality has definitely diminished over the years, Windows in the same period has utterly CRATERED. Like I get along fine with 11 for my gaming PC but with every single update one feature or another becomes notably broken.

rcarmo 2y ago
One word: Bazzite.
- hyperhello 2y ago
  That’s not a word
  - fsckboy 2y ago
    "That's" is two words, contracted.
  - throwaway2037 2y ago
    Wiki tells me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazzite_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazzite_Linux > Bazzite is named after the mineral, as Fedora Atomic Desktops once had a mineral naming scheme. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazzite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazzite > Bazzite is a beryllium scandium cyclosilicate mineral with chemical formula Be3Sc2Si6O18.
- devilsdata 2y ago
  Fedora atomic distributions in general are great. I recommend Bluefin-dx over Bazzite (they’re both GNOME-based Fedora Atomic from the same group— universal blue) for developers, because it’s really easy to install the packages that Bazzite gives you, and it comes pre-installed with Docker.
  - rcarmo 2y ago
    I use Bluefin-dx as well, but pointed out Bazzite due to the mention of gaming. It's been rock solid for me for that use case.
    - gonzalohm 2y ago
      Is it comparable to gaming on Windows? Last time I tried the performance wasn't as good for some games (Deadlock) and it took ages to compile shader (it takes 30 seconds on Windows with the same specs)
      - devilsdata 2y ago
        It’s comparable for nearly every game I’ve tried, and takes less than 30 seconds to compile Vulcan shaders on my rig. That said, I think anything with kernel-level anti-cheat either does not run or runs poorly.
      - GCUMstlyHarmls 2y ago
        I saw long shader compile times for at least one game last month, might have been Deadlock. I have a Radeon RX 7600 & Ryzen 9 7900X3D for reference. There is mention on the arch wiki about enabling multi-threaded compiles, but also I have read you perhaps dont even need to precompile them now and possibly get better performance as the JIT compiles via a different vulkan framework (VK_EXT_graphics_pipeline_library). I disabled pre-caching (which effects the compile too afaict) and never noticed any stuttering, possibly past some level of compute it's inconsequential. I also noticed that sometimes the launcher would say "pre-compiling" but actually be downloading the cache which was a lot slower on my internet. Certainly on my (very) old intel system with a GTX1060, Sekiro would try to recompile shaders every launch, pegging my system at 99% and running for an hour. I just started skipping it and never really felt it was an issue, Sekiro still ran fine.
    - devilsdata 2y ago
      Yep Bazzite is great. But the difference between them is mostly just the packages installed. To me it’s easier to install the gaming related packages from Bazzite onto Bluefin. I have a problem with Docker sockets while installing onto Bazzite, and didn’t care enough to look further into it.
  - CobaltFire 2y ago
    I also recommend Bluefin-DX. Been running it for about a year now and love it.
DidYaWipe 2y ago
Windows is indeed an execrable shitshow. Every aspect of it assaults the user with incompetence or outright hostility. First is the endless badgering to log in, LOG IN, LOGGGG INNNNN with an asinine Microsoft account. If you can tolerate that and actually get the OS running, you're wading through a wonderland of UI regressions and defects. The default hiding and disabling of options is infuriating. Try showing content from your Windows computer on a TV, for example. You plug your HDMI cable in, and you can select the TV as an external monitor in a reasonably logical manner. Great. But wait... the sound is still coming from the laptop speakers. So you go to Sound in the system settings. Click on the drop-down for available devices. NOPE; the only device is the laptop speakers. So you start hunting through "advanced settings" or some such BS. And buried in there you find the TV, detected all along, but DISABLED BY DEFAULT. WHY??? Not auto-selecting it for output is one thing, but why is it DISABLED and HIDDEN? This is the kind of shit I have to talk my parents through over the phone so they can watch their PBS subscription on their TV. The sheer stupidity of today's Windows UI isn't just annoying, but it's demoralizing to everyday people who blame THEMSELVES for not being "computer-savvy" or slow learners. NO; it's Microsoft's monumental design incompetence and user-hostile behavior. Microsoft doesn't get the relentless excoriation it deserves for its miserable user experience. There's no excuse for it.
- WesolyKubeczek 2y ago
  Wow, it’s almost like Linux in the late 1990s/early 2000s now!
- dsego 2y ago
  I thought I was the only one having issues with HDMI sound, I usually unplug a few times before it switches the audio to the TV speakers.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  I can't say I've ever had HDMI audio mystery-disabled when I try and use it, that's for sure a new one for me. That said the entire audio stack is an utter fucking nightmare. Selecting sound devices usually works, unless the game/software you're using either isn't set up to know about it, or isn't being told by Windows, either or. Then of course there's the fun game you play having two HDMI displays where Windows will constantly re-enable one you've disabled because it doesn't have any fucking speakers on it.
pjmlp 2y ago
Might be, still I no longer feel like baby sitting Linux on laptops as I used to, yes I had another go at it just last year I know how well it works, and I will never pay the Apple tax outside assigned work laptops.
bigpeopleareold 2y ago
My job gave me an expensive high-specced laptop with Windows on it. This is the first time I am stuck using Windows daily. It's W10. With Windows Defender and a bunch of windows, it starts to slowly become unusable. Today, it blue screened for me just fixing again (and again and again) the bluetooth headphones never gets automatically switched to when I turn them on. Forget about having Visual Studio open on it for an extended period of time. Meanwhile, my 7-year old laptop with Fedora on it I type this is wonderfully snappy and stable. I started to get tempted to actually switch back to a Mac just to get some predictability and stability, but I have avoided macs for years. (And - never having to deal with constant line ending issues) All I hear from other co-workers is how their perfectly specced laptops lag with Windows. It's freaking Stockholm Syndrome here!
- bigpeopleareold 2y ago
  oof I re-read this comment. I would only switch to the mac because the company didn't setup any of the required security rigamarole to run on their internal network, but otherwise, nah. I dropped that years ago - expensive, disposable machines to run emacs, a terminal and a browser ...

rcarmo 2y ago

One word: Bazzite.

hyperhello 2y ago
That’s not a word
- fsckboy 2y ago
  "That's" is two words, contracted.
- throwaway2037 2y ago
  Wiki tells me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazzite_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazzite_Linux > Bazzite is named after the mineral, as Fedora Atomic Desktops once had a mineral naming scheme. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazzite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazzite > Bazzite is a beryllium scandium cyclosilicate mineral with chemical formula Be3Sc2Si6O18.
devilsdata 2y ago
Fedora atomic distributions in general are great. I recommend Bluefin-dx over Bazzite (they’re both GNOME-based Fedora Atomic from the same group— universal blue) for developers, because it’s really easy to install the packages that Bazzite gives you, and it comes pre-installed with Docker.
- rcarmo 2y ago
  I use Bluefin-dx as well, but pointed out Bazzite due to the mention of gaming. It's been rock solid for me for that use case.
  - gonzalohm 2y ago
    Is it comparable to gaming on Windows? Last time I tried the performance wasn't as good for some games (Deadlock) and it took ages to compile shader (it takes 30 seconds on Windows with the same specs)
    - devilsdata 2y ago
      It’s comparable for nearly every game I’ve tried, and takes less than 30 seconds to compile Vulcan shaders on my rig. That said, I think anything with kernel-level anti-cheat either does not run or runs poorly.
    - GCUMstlyHarmls 2y ago
      I saw long shader compile times for at least one game last month, might have been Deadlock. I have a Radeon RX 7600 & Ryzen 9 7900X3D for reference. There is mention on the arch wiki about enabling multi-threaded compiles, but also I have read you perhaps dont even need to precompile them now and possibly get better performance as the JIT compiles via a different vulkan framework (VK_EXT_graphics_pipeline_library). I disabled pre-caching (which effects the compile too afaict) and never noticed any stuttering, possibly past some level of compute it's inconsequential. I also noticed that sometimes the launcher would say "pre-compiling" but actually be downloading the cache which was a lot slower on my internet. Certainly on my (very) old intel system with a GTX1060, Sekiro would try to recompile shaders every launch, pegging my system at 99% and running for an hour. I just started skipping it and never really felt it was an issue, Sekiro still ran fine.
  - devilsdata 2y ago
    Yep Bazzite is great. But the difference between them is mostly just the packages installed. To me it’s easier to install the gaming related packages from Bazzite onto Bluefin. I have a problem with Docker sockets while installing onto Bazzite, and didn’t care enough to look further into it.
- CobaltFire 2y ago
  I also recommend Bluefin-DX. Been running it for about a year now and love it.

DidYaWipe 2y ago

Windows is indeed an execrable shitshow. Every aspect of it assaults the user with incompetence or outright hostility. First is the endless badgering to log in, LOG IN, LOGGGG INNNNN with an asinine Microsoft account. If you can tolerate that and actually get the OS running, you're wading through a wonderland of UI regressions and defects. The default hiding and disabling of options is infuriating. Try showing content from your Windows computer on a TV, for example. You plug your HDMI cable in, and you can select the TV as an external monitor in a reasonably logical manner. Great. But wait... the sound is still coming from the laptop speakers. So you go to Sound in the system settings. Click on the drop-down for available devices. NOPE; the only device is the laptop speakers. So you start hunting through "advanced settings" or some such BS. And buried in there you find the TV, detected all along, but DISABLED BY DEFAULT. WHY??? Not auto-selecting it for output is one thing, but why is it DISABLED and HIDDEN? This is the kind of shit I have to talk my parents through over the phone so they can watch their PBS subscription on their TV. The sheer stupidity of today's Windows UI isn't just annoying, but it's demoralizing to everyday people who blame THEMSELVES for not being "computer-savvy" or slow learners. NO; it's Microsoft's monumental design incompetence and user-hostile behavior. Microsoft doesn't get the relentless excoriation it deserves for its miserable user experience. There's no excuse for it.

WesolyKubeczek 2y ago
Wow, it’s almost like Linux in the late 1990s/early 2000s now!
dsego 2y ago
I thought I was the only one having issues with HDMI sound, I usually unplug a few times before it switches the audio to the TV speakers.
ToucanLoucan 2y ago
I can't say I've ever had HDMI audio mystery-disabled when I try and use it, that's for sure a new one for me. That said the entire audio stack is an utter fucking nightmare. Selecting sound devices usually works, unless the game/software you're using either isn't set up to know about it, or isn't being told by Windows, either or. Then of course there's the fun game you play having two HDMI displays where Windows will constantly re-enable one you've disabled because it doesn't have any fucking speakers on it.

pjmlp 2y ago

Might be, still I no longer feel like baby sitting Linux on laptops as I used to, yes I had another go at it just last year I know how well it works, and I will never pay the Apple tax outside assigned work laptops.

bigpeopleareold 2y ago

My job gave me an expensive high-specced laptop with Windows on it. This is the first time I am stuck using Windows daily. It's W10. With Windows Defender and a bunch of windows, it starts to slowly become unusable. Today, it blue screened for me just fixing again (and again and again) the bluetooth headphones never gets automatically switched to when I turn them on. Forget about having Visual Studio open on it for an extended period of time. Meanwhile, my 7-year old laptop with Fedora on it I type this is wonderfully snappy and stable. I started to get tempted to actually switch back to a Mac just to get some predictability and stability, but I have avoided macs for years. (And - never having to deal with constant line ending issues) All I hear from other co-workers is how their perfectly specced laptops lag with Windows. It's freaking Stockholm Syndrome here!

bigpeopleareold 2y ago
oof I re-read this comment. I would only switch to the mac because the company didn't setup any of the required security rigamarole to run on their internal network, but otherwise, nah. I dropped that years ago - expensive, disposable machines to run emacs, a terminal and a browser ...