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> AI is super evil and will destroy us all Ok why is that > AI is basically text-predict combined with data mining. That’s it. That sounds fine. Its like wh

> AI is super evil and will destroy us all Ok why is that > AI is basically text-predict combined with data mining. That’s it. That sounds fine. Its like when you hear a conservative pundit claim that all antifa are weak people who need extra genders, and then in the next breath complain that they are an effective, brutal, brick throwing, pundit punching street militia. Pick a lane. >As for a machine writing a novel for me in a matter of milliseconds — I have no idea how that could possibly generate authentic pride or produce anything other than a cavernous inner emptiness? So now its issue is that it doesnt give you good feelings?

Aeolun 2y ago
> As for a machine writing a novel for me in a matter of milliseconds — I have no idea how that could possibly generate authentic pride or produce anything other than a cavernous inner emptiness? From my experience trying this. It isn’t quite that easy. The AI has a massive amount of difficulty staying on track and remembering earlier facts when writing a story. There is zero risk of them replacing writers for anything but short stories for now.
- protocolture 2y ago
  More or less my experience. Sudowrite literally breaks out the story into chapters, and has you arrange all the facts of the story so they can be summarily accessible at all times.
  - Aeolun 2y ago
    Even making a massive snowflake for the whole story didn’t quite do it for me. It would forget relatively unimportant things, like the character had said something to someone, then three scenes on misremembers what they actually said.
    - protocolture 2y ago
      I have had both amazing results, and really shit results. Like I had it write a cool opening chapter to a short story based on nothing but my notes. And another time, I had a boxer punch someone 2 floors above him on a balcony.
      - Aeolun 2y ago
        Huh, wonder if that’s a common thing. I had someone walk down the stairs in a huff, only to teleport back and smack someone in the face :)
_heimdall 2y ago
> Its like when you hear a conservative pundit claim that all antifa are weak people who need extra genders, and then in the next breath complain that they are an effective, brutal, brick throwing, pundit punching street militia. Those two aren't mutually exclusive. I haven't met many (any?) Antifa members and wouldn't begin to categorize them, but a person can both want non-binary genders and throw bricks.
- ben_w 2y ago
  I belive the claim is that *saying* "only weak people need extra genders" is incompatible with also *saying* "they are physically dangerous due to capacity for violence". The comment does not itself appear to be making the claim "wanting extra genders is weak", but rather is criticising those who do say that.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    > It's not saying "wanting extra genders is weak", it's criticising those who do say that. Sure, I get that. I wasn't trying to make that point. I take issue with the idea that weak people can't be violent or physically dangerous. It depends a bit on what kind of weakness they mean, but physically weak people can still throw bricks or pull triggers and emotionally weak people can still lash out when they feel they have no other choice. I'd actually argue that weak people are more likely to be more violent if/when they do lash out because it may be a last resort for them. Bottle things up for too long and they tend to blow up.
DonsDiscountGas 2y ago
The issue is that some work is just something we want to be done, and other work is something we want to do for the joy/satisfaction of it. And a big part of the conflict is that the same task is likely to fall into different categories for different people. When I read a novel I don't really care about the author or what they went through to write it, but the author obviously feels very differently.
thefz 2y ago
> So now its issue is that it doesnt give you good feelings? The issue is that novels used to have value because they required effort and time. Now being able to produce one means its value dropped significantly. Only for the artificial ones, though, of course.
- protocolture 2y ago
  Then they should be happy that their novel has either maintained or increased its value due to its humaniness.

Aeolun 2y ago

> As for a machine writing a novel for me in a matter of milliseconds — I have no idea how that could possibly generate authentic pride or produce anything other than a cavernous inner emptiness? From my experience trying this. It isn’t quite that easy. The AI has a massive amount of difficulty staying on track and remembering earlier facts when writing a story. There is zero risk of them replacing writers for anything but short stories for now.

protocolture 2y ago
More or less my experience. Sudowrite literally breaks out the story into chapters, and has you arrange all the facts of the story so they can be summarily accessible at all times.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  Even making a massive snowflake for the whole story didn’t quite do it for me. It would forget relatively unimportant things, like the character had said something to someone, then three scenes on misremembers what they actually said.
  - protocolture 2y ago
    I have had both amazing results, and really shit results. Like I had it write a cool opening chapter to a short story based on nothing but my notes. And another time, I had a boxer punch someone 2 floors above him on a balcony.
    - Aeolun 2y ago
      Huh, wonder if that’s a common thing. I had someone walk down the stairs in a huff, only to teleport back and smack someone in the face :)

_heimdall 2y ago

> Its like when you hear a conservative pundit claim that all antifa are weak people who need extra genders, and then in the next breath complain that they are an effective, brutal, brick throwing, pundit punching street militia. Those two aren't mutually exclusive. I haven't met many (any?) Antifa members and wouldn't begin to categorize them, but a person can both want non-binary genders and throw bricks.

ben_w 2y ago
I belive the claim is that *saying* "only weak people need extra genders" is incompatible with also *saying* "they are physically dangerous due to capacity for violence". The comment does not itself appear to be making the claim "wanting extra genders is weak", but rather is criticising those who do say that.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  > It's not saying "wanting extra genders is weak", it's criticising those who do say that. Sure, I get that. I wasn't trying to make that point. I take issue with the idea that weak people can't be violent or physically dangerous. It depends a bit on what kind of weakness they mean, but physically weak people can still throw bricks or pull triggers and emotionally weak people can still lash out when they feel they have no other choice. I'd actually argue that weak people are more likely to be more violent if/when they do lash out because it may be a last resort for them. Bottle things up for too long and they tend to blow up.

DonsDiscountGas 2y ago

The issue is that some work is just something we want to be done, and other work is something we want to do for the joy/satisfaction of it. And a big part of the conflict is that the same task is likely to fall into different categories for different people. When I read a novel I don't really care about the author or what they went through to write it, but the author obviously feels very differently.

thefz 2y ago

> So now its issue is that it doesnt give you good feelings? The issue is that novels used to have value because they required effort and time. Now being able to produce one means its value dropped significantly. Only for the artificial ones, though, of course.

protocolture 2y ago
Then they should be happy that their novel has either maintained or increased its value due to its humaniness.