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What about the benefit to the 80% if the 20% were obligated to use software instead of their own wetware in a hypothetical world where this was feasible in all

What about the benefit to the 80% if the 20% were obligated to use software instead of their own wetware in a hypothetical world where this was feasible in all respects. Imagine if you transitioned to most new drivers for instance being issued only permits to use self driving vehicles and older drivers being obligated to switch at 65.

threatofrain 2y ago
Perhaps drunk drivers should be obligated to use automatic cars for some duration.
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  The main reason we don't revoke licenses more aggressively right now is that America's infrastructure is so car-oriented that forcing people to never drive again can be a disruption on-par with being added to the sex-offender registry (1). If self-driving cars became prevalent, I can absolutely see it leading to an increase in license revocation as a punishment for unsafe driving. (1) Setting aside one's personal opinion on which is more dangerous to society: people on the sex-offender registry or drunk drivers.
  - Scoundreller 2y ago
    Iunno, doesn’t stop Canada from issuing 1yr driving bans for 1st offence DUI, and that starts at 0.08 (And a lot of provinces do bans measured in days if you hit 0.05)
    - Zigurd 2y ago
      America is different and becoming more so.
tim333 2y ago
As someone getting on towards 65 I have to point out that insurance rates are less for the 65-70s than for any group younger that 55, and claim rates are lower than for any of the under 65s. My relatives didn't really start crashing into stuff till they got to about 90. And then it was kind of slow motion. (for this data https://www.abi.org.uk/products-and-issues/choosing-the-right-insurance/motor-insurance/age-and-motor-insurance/ https://www.abi.org.uk/products-and-issues/choosing-the-righ...)
- potato3732842 2y ago
  Is that because you're better or because you're less exposed? Not a lot of 65yo people working 80hr weeks, slogging out 50-100mi commutes or plowing into moose while blinded by the 6am sun on their way back from 3rd shift.
  - toast0 2y ago
    Insurance rates have a mileage component that should address that, although the smallest mileage category may be too large to really capture that. But if you're doing a 100 mile commute 5 days a week, that's likely beyond the lowest category.
    - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
      There is talk of per-mile insurance becoming a thing, maybe when per-mile registration taxes finally are? This would benefit a lot of us that come way under the lowest band.
      - kaikai 2y ago
        Per-mile insurance has existed for a while, from companies like metromile.
        seanmcdirmid 2y ago
        Yes, I’ve seen a few but so far never cheaper than per mile insurance, at least where I live. I’ll talk to my agent next year to see if my current home owner insurance company has one that works that way. My current policy uses my phone to track and reward driving habits, but it tracks my bus rides as car rides as well, which sucks. Can’t they come up with an Apple car app or something?
        dwighttk 2y ago
        I’m so tempted to use a car insurance app, but in the end I don’t want to run a tracker
TehCorwiz 2y ago
New drivers become better drivers by driving and gaining experience. This is why some states implement a mandatory minimum practice duration before you can get a license. Mandating they don't practice would be detrimental to the driving culture as it would skew in favor of AI by preventing learning in the first place.
- michaelmrose 2y ago
  I think the theory would be that they never get practice and never manually drive ever. You know right after we solve the cost issue.
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- dwighttk 2y ago
  Interestingly that’s the same thing that’s happening to school in general
- timewizard 2y ago
  Some Australian provinces give you "P-Plates." These limit your privileges even after getting your license. Limits on number of passengers, times of day you can drive, and a horsepower limit. All of which are from many bloody lessons.
  - gambiting 2y ago
    Tbf, like with many things in that country, I think it's fair to say Australians take this way too far. You're a grown adult who can drink alcohol, go fight for your country, get married etc etc....but god forbid that you drive after dark.
    - akdor1154 2y ago
      To clarify, the rule is intended to stop party cars full of drunk teens at 2am. The actual rules are like (NSW): > If you're under 25 and are on your red Ps, you must not drive with more than one passenger who is under 21 between 11pm and 5am. (Red Ps means the first year of being able to drive unsupervised)

threatofrain 2y ago

Perhaps drunk drivers should be obligated to use automatic cars for some duration.

shadowgovt 2y ago
The main reason we don't revoke licenses more aggressively right now is that America's infrastructure is so car-oriented that forcing people to never drive again can be a disruption on-par with being added to the sex-offender registry (1). If self-driving cars became prevalent, I can absolutely see it leading to an increase in license revocation as a punishment for unsafe driving. (1) Setting aside one's personal opinion on which is more dangerous to society: people on the sex-offender registry or drunk drivers.
- Scoundreller 2y ago
  Iunno, doesn’t stop Canada from issuing 1yr driving bans for 1st offence DUI, and that starts at 0.08 (And a lot of provinces do bans measured in days if you hit 0.05)
  - Zigurd 2y ago
    America is different and becoming more so.

tim333 2y ago

As someone getting on towards 65 I have to point out that insurance rates are less for the 65-70s than for any group younger that 55, and claim rates are lower than for any of the under 65s. My relatives didn't really start crashing into stuff till they got to about 90. And then it was kind of slow motion. (for this data https://www.abi.org.uk/products-and-issues/choosing-the-right-insurance/motor-insurance/age-and-motor-insurance/ https://www.abi.org.uk/products-and-issues/choosing-the-righ...)

potato3732842 2y ago
Is that because you're better or because you're less exposed? Not a lot of 65yo people working 80hr weeks, slogging out 50-100mi commutes or plowing into moose while blinded by the 6am sun on their way back from 3rd shift.
- toast0 2y ago
  Insurance rates have a mileage component that should address that, although the smallest mileage category may be too large to really capture that. But if you're doing a 100 mile commute 5 days a week, that's likely beyond the lowest category.
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    There is talk of per-mile insurance becoming a thing, maybe when per-mile registration taxes finally are? This would benefit a lot of us that come way under the lowest band.
    - kaikai 2y ago
      Per-mile insurance has existed for a while, from companies like metromile.
      - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
        Yes, I’ve seen a few but so far never cheaper than per mile insurance, at least where I live. I’ll talk to my agent next year to see if my current home owner insurance company has one that works that way. My current policy uses my phone to track and reward driving habits, but it tracks my bus rides as car rides as well, which sucks. Can’t they come up with an Apple car app or something?
        dwighttk 2y ago
        I’m so tempted to use a car insurance app, but in the end I don’t want to run a tracker

TehCorwiz 2y ago

New drivers become better drivers by driving and gaining experience. This is why some states implement a mandatory minimum practice duration before you can get a license. Mandating they don't practice would be detrimental to the driving culture as it would skew in favor of AI by preventing learning in the first place.

michaelmrose 2y ago
I think the theory would be that they never get practice and never manually drive ever. You know right after we solve the cost issue.
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dwighttk 2y ago
Interestingly that’s the same thing that’s happening to school in general
timewizard 2y ago
Some Australian provinces give you "P-Plates." These limit your privileges even after getting your license. Limits on number of passengers, times of day you can drive, and a horsepower limit. All of which are from many bloody lessons.
- gambiting 2y ago
  Tbf, like with many things in that country, I think it's fair to say Australians take this way too far. You're a grown adult who can drink alcohol, go fight for your country, get married etc etc....but god forbid that you drive after dark.
  - akdor1154 2y ago
    To clarify, the rule is intended to stop party cars full of drunk teens at 2am. The actual rules are like (NSW): > If you're under 25 and are on your red Ps, you must not drive with more than one passenger who is under 21 between 11pm and 5am. (Red Ps means the first year of being able to drive unsupervised)