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The polar vortex is hitting the brakes
- rohan_ 2y agofrom March 6th
- jay_kyburz 2y agoyeah, did it happen or not?
- macintux 2y agoWhat are the odds that NOAA has been forbidden to write anything about climate since this was posted?
- lwansbrough 2y agoIs the author still employed?
- 3eb7988a1663 2y agoThat's the beauty of the current chaos-driven model. No explicit marching orders required. Just let it be known that inconvenient facts/actions can be punished at any time. Self-censorship takes care of the rest.
- labster 2y agoBut how do you own the libs if they just start doing what you want? How does that make any sense? No retribution, no payoffs, nothing? Nope, the firings will continue until America is made great again.
- Terr_ 2y agoHalf-disagree: Firings aren't their goal (nor, demonstrably, are cost-savings.) The goal is coercive power over a culture. Firings are just one tool in the toolbox. ______________ Tangentially, loyalty-oaths are another case where the purpose goes beyond the immediate effect. Fascists presenting an allegiance-or-else choice aren't extending any of their own trust to affirmative pledges. They know it's coerced, and the fact that everybody else knows it too is a feature, not a bug. Why? Because the real goal is not to create trust for themselves, but to destroy it for everyone else. To survive the purge, victims must scar their own reputations, making it harder for anybody--even other victims--to trust them in the future. Ex: Even if I'm totally certain Mr. Smith was lying to the fascists when he pledged loyalty to keep his job, there's a "damaged goods" aspect: Would he lie to me if his job was threatened again? What other compromises might he make to other threats from authority?
- MikePlacid 2y ago[flagged]
- ericfr11 2y agoDespotism does not lead to greatness. Instead we will have big Corps (oil, pharma...) owning, benefiting, and hiding public knowledge. Even China does better these days
- ChuckMcM 2y agoI wondering if the authors were laid off from NOAA.
- frereubu 2y agoFrom the dates on https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs it looks like this is / was a roughly weekly post, so it might take a while if you're waiting for them specifically.
- pc486 2y agoI'm not an expert, but it looks like the predicted wind reversal did occur. In the article there's this figure: https://www.climate.gov/media/16838 https://www.climate.gov/media/16838 The March 13th 10hPa forecast with the wind reversal and lobe is visible on measured data: https://earth.nullschool.net/#2025/03/13/2100Z/wind/isobaric/10hPa/overlay=temp/orthographic=-86.24,46.35,506/loc=-80.953,42.248 https://earth.nullschool.net/#2025/03/13/2100Z/wind/isobaric...
- zeagle 2y agoInteresting article. We are past the usual -20 or lower six weeks where I am so feels like a typical year. If I choose a random northern place like Rankin Inlet NU it is still cold up there with a low of -33 tonight. It is a sign of the times when I think huh, climate.gov… is that a reputable source?
- epicureanideal 2y ago> It is a sign of the times when I think huh, climate.gov… is that a reputable source? Some have been wondering that for years already.
- alfiedotwtf 2y ago[flagged]
- phkahler 2y agoYeah it'll be interesting if they privatize weather forecasting in the US. I'll be looking for European forecasts of US weather... It's handy info, but I'm not gonna subscribe to see if I need a coat or umbrella.
- mrtesthah 2y agoAll private/paid weather forecasts still rely on NOAA’s infrastructure, so we may not have any reliable forecasting anymore.
- 3eb7988a1663 2y agoThat has been touted around before, but what does the military do? I assume they are extremely aware of their supply chain and would not want to source weather from a commercial entity. Will NORAD start doing clandestine weather modelling to be able to plan troop/ship movements?
- msy 2y agoThey’re briefing Elon Musk on China war plans, I don’t think the current leadership will care much where they source weather data as long as it aligns with the current ideological purity purge.
- timzaman 2y agoVery interesting article, but since it's 16 days old, seems like quite irrelevant news to hit the frontpage.
- icegreentea2 2y agoPolar vortex collapse leads to cold polar air mass moving south over the course of the next few weeks. At least where I am, this article is coinciding within a day or so of the end of "fake spring". In fact, this might help explain the concept of fake spring in general. The final collapse of the vortex is ultimately caused by warming of the northern hemisphere as spring kicks in. This implies that the pattern of "get pretty warm, then the polar vortex collapses, then you get one more surge of winter weather, and then you get real spring" is actually typical.
- xeromal 2y agoHad no idea what led to fake spring so thanks for this tidbit!
- downrightmike 2y agoUltimately the Earth will warm up, the ice caps melt, the coasts lose as the seas rise 10m
- mempko 2y agoAnd potentially organized human life collapses
- erikpukinskis 2y agoIs that possible? Can you describe the chain of events that would lead to that? Seems vanishingly unlikely to me, on the face of it, but I admit I am not read up on all the possible doomsday scenarios.
- aorloff 2y agoit all started with the invention of Ice9
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- ForOldHack 2y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Cradle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Cradle
- fencepost 2y agoThere wouldn't be a single factor driving it but a combination of many factors. Loss of coastline (and cities built along it) including greater susceptibility to storms for unaffected areas will obviously have economic costs, highly increased weather and storm variability will be significant (think monsoon rains, "atmospheric river," etc.), increased drought in some areas due to both temperature and weather pattern changes (see western US water rights among the states as the civil portion of this), mass movements of refugees (sure the US can close the southern border, but what happens if you get 50,000 migrants all deciding to come over at once in one area? Are you simply going to shoot all of them?). Human extinction seems very unlikely, but the collapse of the infrastructure that allows creation of the infrastructure that allows modern life? That could be much more likely, particularly when you factor in military conflicts as well as purely climate-based changes and losses.
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- jmcgough 2y agoThis is a purely factual article and is very careful not to make recommendations on current or future policy. This website will almost certainly disappear once they realize it's still up.
- BoingBoomTschak 2y ago[flagged]
- fredsmith219 2y agoI’m amazed that climate.gov hasn’t been taken down yet.
- neuroelectron 2y agoSeems like the DOGE cuts were overhyped after all. Honestly, anything connected to Trump is overhyped. He has a protective aura of noise. You're not going to figure out what's going on by just reading headlines.
- sebmellen 2y agoThey successfully took down large portions of the CFPB site.
- gortok 2y agoThe damage is real even if the dollar amount of the cuts is overhyped.
- tdhz77 2y agoYou offer no evidence, but you have convinced yourself so obviously abstracted from the ground that time will prove you were right. It’s a foolish path and I urge you to listen to what is happening. Within the last week government data is no longer accessible to researchers. Long standing government groups and private that study these areas are locked out. Overhyped? No. Like the manager that cuts the budget, gets the raise and sees the fallout much later. Your foolish comment falls flat Carly in line —- there are consequences and they are deadly. Overhyped? No. To suggest a thing is foolish beyond comprehension, it should ruin careers for such a bodacious and absurd point.
- neuroelectron 2y agoPalantir seems to be chugging along just fine.
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- Supersaiyan_IV 2y agoDoing climate research in Fahrenheit in 2025 gives me second hand embarrassment.
- artursapek 2y agoCelsius is useful if you're a beaker of water. Fahrenheit is useful if you're a human.
- inetknght 2y agoNah, Celsius is useful if you're a human. Fahrenheit is useful if you're an American.
- artursapek 2y ago0 is cold as fuck, 100 is hot as fuck. Perfect human scale. Stay jelly
- beAbU 2y ago-40 - cold as fuck, 40 - hot as fuck. 0 - shit freezes, better drive carefully. I don't understand why this is always breought out when farenheit is criticized, as if the 0F-100F thing is the "killer app" for temperature scales.
- artursapek 2y agoIn what country do people encounter -40 degrees
- zeagle 2y agoParts of Canada for sure. When it’s below -35C my garage stored vehicle’s cold engine light turns after a bit on while driving!
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- AbstractH24 2y agoIt's almost like there are better indicators of spring than groundhogs.
- Spivak 2y agoSo the thing was Groundhog Day is actually really interesting. The prediction doesn't really have to do with groundhogs but instead has to do with whether it is cloudy or not on Groundhog Day. It's kind of funny about it is that they kinda got it backwards. If you bet against Punxsutawney Phil you'll be doing better than random chance.
- deadbabe 2y agoIs this good or bad
- ForOldHack 2y agoIt's good if you are looking for clearer weather, and bad if you follow the science of stratospheric ozone depletion. ( Counter intuitive. )
- xg15 2y ago> Second, though the impacts of March sudden warmings are very similar to those in mid-winter, spring is coming, so any Arctic air brought down in the US won't "feel" as cold compared to if it happened in January because we are in a warmer part of the year. This part seems really handwavey. Could someone explain what they mean with "warmer part of the year" if not air temperature? Increased warming through more sunlight?
- mathgeek 2y ago> so any Arctic air brought down in the US won't "feel" as cold compared to if it happened in January because we are in a warmer part of the year. I read this pretty simply as "March is warmer than January". More hours of daylight, more direct angle, etc. Anyone living closer to the tropics knows that feeling of "it's cold but the sun is out" compared to being further away in winter.
- xg15 2y agoYeah, that makes sense. I was tripped up a bit because "march is warmer" sounds to me like an effect, not a cause - and it becomes paradoxical if there is a massive cold front underway at the same time. But if they mean, there are other seasonal factors - such as daylight - that counteract the cold spell, which aren't there in winter, it makes more sense.
- avianlyric 2y agoImaging increased warming from sunlight raising ground and building temperatures probably impacts “felt” temperature quite a bit. There a few different heat transfer mechanisms, with conduction and radiation being the big ones we care about here. Cold air impacts heat transfer via conduction, but temperature of surrounding surfaces (like buildings and the ground) impacts radiative heat transfer, which makes us a significant portion of your bodies heat transfer into it’s surrounding environment. Which is the reason why a clear night is colder than an overcast night. The clouds above reflect a significant amount of radiant energy back at you on a cloudy day, and on a clear night you’re directly exposed to cold emptiness of space which will radiate effectively zero heat back at you. Good place to experience the difference between conduction and radiative heat, is being near a camp fire on a cold night. The camp fire doesn’t really warm the air around your body, but the emitted IR has a huge impact. Hence you end up with a very warm front, while still having a very cold back.
- ilove_banh_mi 2y agoThe observed range of variability on the two first graphs is quite something to behold.
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