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Asahi Linux Progress Report - Linux 6.14

83 points by walterbell 2y ago

k310 2y ago
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- russfink 2y ago
  Whoa whoa whoa… where is this coming from?
  - chungy 2y ago
    [flagged]
- apetresc 2y ago
  I'm out of the loop, what bashing and abuse? Every time I've seen Asahi mentioned, everyone here's falling over themselves to remark on how impressive a technical achievement it is.
  - colechristensen 2y ago
    Likewise I don't think I've ever seen anything even mildly criticizing Asahi here on HN and by comparison that's saying a lot.
    - ziddoap 2y ago
      It generally gets flagged, but there's definitely been some bad comments. I don't think that what I've seen, if directed at me, would get the same response -- but I obviously don't see it all, nor have it directed at me, so it's not really fair for me to say.
      - MBCook 2y ago
        I’m seeing a number of say are approaching/over the line now that haven’t been flagged out, and I don’t have shoe dead on. And there aren’t all that many comments yet.
    - snvzz 2y ago
      might be --> actually is. Nobody has any doubts left at this point in time. Whole deal is ridiculous.
  - bombcar 2y ago
    Comments about how one developer might actually be another developer qualify, I believe.
  - acomjean 2y ago
    It might be related to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43406393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43406393 I too had the impression people here love asahi Linux. But as the comment said those negative posts tend to disappear. I’m not fully onboard (I don’t have a MacBook, supporting closed hw from a single vendor) but I see the appeal, and to me getting more people using Linux is major plus that outweighs the negatives. I’m not going to tell people who are generously donating their time to something not to do so.
    - Klonoar 2y ago
      That disclaimer when visited from HN has been there forever, it’s not related to recent news.
  - colechristensen 2y ago
    Here it is, the original developer quit in a long post. https://marcan.st/2025/02/resigning-as-asahi-linux-project-lead/ https://marcan.st/2025/02/resigning-as-asahi-linux-project-l... My read is this is a case of a person taking on a huge project and burning out emotionally.
    - MBCook 2y ago
      No, it long predates that.
  - viraptor 2y ago
    Look at older posts with showdead on - there's a lot of personal attacks, claims about vtuber identity, trans hate, etc. It's been a bit more chill recently, but the history is there. (apart from the recent https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43406393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43406393 which has lots of terrible people again)
    - 0dayz 2y ago
      To be fair a lot of them are newly created accounts that troll spam.
      - viraptor 2y ago
        That doesn't change the content in any way. Of course people will use one off accounts to be assholes.
        0dayz 2y ago
        Sure, my point is that it's not a majority of organic hatred but artificially inflated instead.
      - Teever 2y ago
        How exactly is that fair?
        defrost 2y ago
        A fair assessment might be that instead of a large number of regular users leaving bad comments there is a small number, potentially even one, that spin up sock accounts to make a disproportionally larger number of bigoted comments.
      - ldoughty 2y ago
        I think that's the point being made in the banner message / plea. Here we are, still able to see that content.. and so can search engines and AI. No one here at HN has done anything to remove the content that only exists to attack and demean, even though it looks like troll accounts. We down vote it, flag it, hide it, but it's still there. I don't know much about this particular situation, but I can empathize.
- colechristensen 2y ago
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  - snvzz 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - saagarjha 2y ago
      You're doing a pretty good job serving as evidence, actually.
- asciii 2y ago
  > Please demand change within your community. I'm out of loop, but I demand a dark mode. Burning my eye balls was enough -.-
- LukeShu 2y ago
  Several down-thread comments speculate that the banner is due to recent events. Some form of an HN block or banner has been present since 2023-03-21[1] (well, until about an hour ago[2]). HN threads about Asahi, while generally positive about the project, also tend to include trans hate and speculation about a pseudonymous developer's identity. Those comments are often "dead", but show up on search engines. This has caused real harm in the lives of Asahi's trans and pseudonymous developers. [1]: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io/commit/a720f6ca68805f336e844523fe3f37f6827019c1 https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io/commit/a7... [2]: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io/commit/e0484c04ade0e7e5ec3e07179545afabd0ffa765 https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io/commit/e0...
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    This is one of the reasons why these comments are no longer visible to users who do not explicitly log in and turn on showdead.
bhaney 2y ago
TIL that spoofing my Referer header does not change the document.referrer JS property.
cadamsdotcom 2y ago
Amazing to see Asahi Linux push ahead despite the headwinds - gaining D3D12 AND microphone support AND fex, AND bundled nicely up with all the goodies in Fedora 42. Thanks to a very small number of generous humans your M-series Macbook will still be usable even after Apple declares it vintage - and in the meantime you have an alternative which works better for gaming, and hardware support will only keep getting better. Congrats to those whose work made this update such a bonanza.
snvzz 2y ago
At this point in time, Asahi would do well to officially disassociate from problematic drama-attracting developers.
- wmf 2y ago
  They already did?
- peter-m80 2y ago
  Or maybe people should mind their own business and don't harass others
  - snvzz 2y ago
    Absolutely agree, but what is Asahi meant to do? Ask nicely?
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- soundnote 2y ago
  Possibly true, but it's also worth noting that the weirdos who develop Asahi do, in fact, do good work.
eminence32 2y ago
The beamforming bit is neat. I have no personal experience with it, but I was surprised that 2cm separation between the microphones was enough. Do any other laptops use this technique for noise rejection?
_npid 2y ago
I’d be very happy if they could introduce disk encryption by default or maybe with a yes/no question during the installation. Because the current way to do it is a little bit to difficult and unsafe for me to be honest: https://davidalger.com/posts/fedora-asahi-remix-on-apple-silicon-with-luks-encryption/ https://davidalger.com/posts/fedora-asahi-remix-on-apple-sil...
orangecat 2y ago
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- refulgentis 2y ago
  I trust you, and I also trust the top 2 comments on that post from 2 days ago. One of which apologizes on behalf of HN, and thanks Asahi and assures them a majority is grateful for their work. Another, like most of us, curious, wondering why the reaction is so unhinged, and finding every post from the site is treated this way.
- kennysoona 2y ago
  > Also, it's weird that the former lead developer has a VTuber sockpuppet that he pretends is a separate project member What is the actual proof of that?
  - ChocolateGod 2y ago
    It's circumstantial, but in one of the videos streamed by Lina on YouTube, it shows they share a computer. There are a few other oddities, but nothing 100% that I'd feel comfortable repeating as I don't have an opinion whether it's true or not.
- saagarjha 2y ago
  Bringing it up every time Asahi Linux is mentioned is pretty weird, though.
alberth 2y ago
> Given the nature of what we do, this can mean spending upwards of $10,000 a year on Macs. Please know that donating isn’t just about helping the developers financially, it’s also needed just to purchase new Mac’s every year to test & support (because each new M-series requires additional development to work). You can donate here: https://asahilinux.org/support/ https://asahilinux.org/support/
- snvzz 2y ago
  >You can donate here This project is not a non-profit organization. I'd love to see a ledger, rather than blindly trust donations are used responsibly. Who even owns the donation account?
  - alberth 2y ago
    Are you suggesting it's a for profit organization? If so, where can I buy Asahi Linux for use? Or pay for Asahi Linux software support? Regarding wanting to see a ledger, their Board minutes can be read here: https://asahilinux.org/docs/project/board/asahi-board/ https://asahilinux.org/docs/project/board/asahi-board/
    - loeg 2y ago
      You need a specific organization structure, registration, and certain documentation requirements to be a formal non-profit organization. Asahi Linux doesn't seem to have that.
School-Cotton 2y ago
Does anyone know if they have made any progress on M3 support?
- wronglebowski 2y ago
  As I understand it’s very unlikely to happen anytime soon as the M1/2 GPUs are very similar but M3 has a completely new architecture. With their reduced staff and the GPU in the M1/2 being notoriously simple in retrospect we’re probably years away.
snvzz 2y ago
https://archive.is/jl83u https://archive.is/jl83u

83 points by walterbell 2y ago

k310 2y ago

[flagged]

russfink 2y ago
Whoa whoa whoa… where is this coming from?
- chungy 2y ago
  [flagged]
apetresc 2y ago
I'm out of the loop, what bashing and abuse? Every time I've seen Asahi mentioned, everyone here's falling over themselves to remark on how impressive a technical achievement it is.
- colechristensen 2y ago
  Likewise I don't think I've ever seen anything even mildly criticizing Asahi here on HN and by comparison that's saying a lot.
  - ziddoap 2y ago
    It generally gets flagged, but there's definitely been some bad comments. I don't think that what I've seen, if directed at me, would get the same response -- but I obviously don't see it all, nor have it directed at me, so it's not really fair for me to say.
    - MBCook 2y ago
      I’m seeing a number of say are approaching/over the line now that haven’t been flagged out, and I don’t have shoe dead on. And there aren’t all that many comments yet.
  - snvzz 2y ago
    might be --> actually is. Nobody has any doubts left at this point in time. Whole deal is ridiculous.
- bombcar 2y ago
  Comments about how one developer might actually be another developer qualify, I believe.
- acomjean 2y ago
  It might be related to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43406393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43406393 I too had the impression people here love asahi Linux. But as the comment said those negative posts tend to disappear. I’m not fully onboard (I don’t have a MacBook, supporting closed hw from a single vendor) but I see the appeal, and to me getting more people using Linux is major plus that outweighs the negatives. I’m not going to tell people who are generously donating their time to something not to do so.
  - Klonoar 2y ago
    That disclaimer when visited from HN has been there forever, it’s not related to recent news.
- colechristensen 2y ago
  Here it is, the original developer quit in a long post. https://marcan.st/2025/02/resigning-as-asahi-linux-project-lead/ https://marcan.st/2025/02/resigning-as-asahi-linux-project-l... My read is this is a case of a person taking on a huge project and burning out emotionally.
  - MBCook 2y ago
    No, it long predates that.
- viraptor 2y ago
  Look at older posts with showdead on - there's a lot of personal attacks, claims about vtuber identity, trans hate, etc. It's been a bit more chill recently, but the history is there. (apart from the recent https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43406393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43406393 which has lots of terrible people again)
  - 0dayz 2y ago
    To be fair a lot of them are newly created accounts that troll spam.
    - viraptor 2y ago
      That doesn't change the content in any way. Of course people will use one off accounts to be assholes.
      - 0dayz 2y ago
        Sure, my point is that it's not a majority of organic hatred but artificially inflated instead.
    - Teever 2y ago
      How exactly is that fair?
      - defrost 2y ago
        A fair assessment might be that instead of a large number of regular users leaving bad comments there is a small number, potentially even one, that spin up sock accounts to make a disproportionally larger number of bigoted comments.
    - ldoughty 2y ago
      I think that's the point being made in the banner message / plea. Here we are, still able to see that content.. and so can search engines and AI. No one here at HN has done anything to remove the content that only exists to attack and demean, even though it looks like troll accounts. We down vote it, flag it, hide it, but it's still there. I don't know much about this particular situation, but I can empathize.
colechristensen 2y ago
[flagged]
- snvzz 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    You're doing a pretty good job serving as evidence, actually.
asciii 2y ago
> Please demand change within your community. I'm out of loop, but I demand a dark mode. Burning my eye balls was enough -.-
LukeShu 2y ago
Several down-thread comments speculate that the banner is due to recent events. Some form of an HN block or banner has been present since 2023-03-21[1] (well, until about an hour ago[2]). HN threads about Asahi, while generally positive about the project, also tend to include trans hate and speculation about a pseudonymous developer's identity. Those comments are often "dead", but show up on search engines. This has caused real harm in the lives of Asahi's trans and pseudonymous developers. [1]: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io/commit/a720f6ca68805f336e844523fe3f37f6827019c1 https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io/commit/a7... [2]: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io/commit/e0484c04ade0e7e5ec3e07179545afabd0ffa765 https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io/commit/e0...
- saagarjha 2y ago
  This is one of the reasons why these comments are no longer visible to users who do not explicitly log in and turn on showdead.

bhaney 2y ago

TIL that spoofing my Referer header does not change the document.referrer JS property.

cadamsdotcom 2y ago

Amazing to see Asahi Linux push ahead despite the headwinds - gaining D3D12 AND microphone support AND fex, AND bundled nicely up with all the goodies in Fedora 42. Thanks to a very small number of generous humans your M-series Macbook will still be usable even after Apple declares it vintage - and in the meantime you have an alternative which works better for gaming, and hardware support will only keep getting better. Congrats to those whose work made this update such a bonanza.

snvzz 2y ago

At this point in time, Asahi would do well to officially disassociate from problematic drama-attracting developers.

wmf 2y ago
They already did?
peter-m80 2y ago
Or maybe people should mind their own business and don't harass others
- snvzz 2y ago
  Absolutely agree, but what is Asahi meant to do? Ask nicely?
deleted 2y ago
[deleted]
soundnote 2y ago
Possibly true, but it's also worth noting that the weirdos who develop Asahi do, in fact, do good work.

eminence32 2y ago

The beamforming bit is neat. I have no personal experience with it, but I was surprised that 2cm separation between the microphones was enough. Do any other laptops use this technique for noise rejection?

_npid 2y ago

I’d be very happy if they could introduce disk encryption by default or maybe with a yes/no question during the installation. Because the current way to do it is a little bit to difficult and unsafe for me to be honest: https://davidalger.com/posts/fedora-asahi-remix-on-apple-silicon-with-luks-encryption/ https://davidalger.com/posts/fedora-asahi-remix-on-apple-sil...

orangecat 2y ago

[flagged]

refulgentis 2y ago
I trust you, and I also trust the top 2 comments on that post from 2 days ago. One of which apologizes on behalf of HN, and thanks Asahi and assures them a majority is grateful for their work. Another, like most of us, curious, wondering why the reaction is so unhinged, and finding every post from the site is treated this way.
kennysoona 2y ago
> Also, it's weird that the former lead developer has a VTuber sockpuppet that he pretends is a separate project member What is the actual proof of that?
- ChocolateGod 2y ago
  It's circumstantial, but in one of the videos streamed by Lina on YouTube, it shows they share a computer. There are a few other oddities, but nothing 100% that I'd feel comfortable repeating as I don't have an opinion whether it's true or not.
saagarjha 2y ago
Bringing it up every time Asahi Linux is mentioned is pretty weird, though.

alberth 2y ago

> Given the nature of what we do, this can mean spending upwards of $10,000 a year on Macs. Please know that donating isn’t just about helping the developers financially, it’s also needed just to purchase new Mac’s every year to test & support (because each new M-series requires additional development to work). You can donate here: https://asahilinux.org/support/ https://asahilinux.org/support/

snvzz 2y ago
>You can donate here This project is not a non-profit organization. I'd love to see a ledger, rather than blindly trust donations are used responsibly. Who even owns the donation account?
- alberth 2y ago
  Are you suggesting it's a for profit organization? If so, where can I buy Asahi Linux for use? Or pay for Asahi Linux software support? Regarding wanting to see a ledger, their Board minutes can be read here: https://asahilinux.org/docs/project/board/asahi-board/ https://asahilinux.org/docs/project/board/asahi-board/
  - loeg 2y ago
    You need a specific organization structure, registration, and certain documentation requirements to be a formal non-profit organization. Asahi Linux doesn't seem to have that.

School-Cotton 2y ago

Does anyone know if they have made any progress on M3 support?

wronglebowski 2y ago
As I understand it’s very unlikely to happen anytime soon as the M1/2 GPUs are very similar but M3 has a completely new architecture. With their reduced staff and the GPU in the M1/2 being notoriously simple in retrospect we’re probably years away.

snvzz 2y ago

https://archive.is/jl83u https://archive.is/jl83u