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Doge to Fired CISA Staff: Email Us Your Personal Data

107 points by todsacerdoti 2y ago

duxup 2y ago
>“Please provide a password protected attachment that provides your full name, your dates of employment (including date of termination), and one other identifying factor such as date of birth or social security number,” the message reads. “Please, to the extent that it is available, attach any termination notice.” >The message didn’t specify how affected CISA employees should share the password for any attached files, so the implicit expectation is that employees should just include the plaintext password in their message. I guess if you fire the guys who know how to use computers ... this is what happens. The scale of incompetence with the Trump administration knows no end...
- BLKNSLVR 2y ago
  No no, this was incredibly well thought out. This is the largest set of employees who know how insecure email is, and so are least likely to send anything remotely related to personal information via that medium, and therefore they will all remain fired and 'the administration' can claim they obviously didn't want to get their jobs back because very few emails were received in response to the request.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    And those that do reply can be fired for violating infosec policy.
    - BLKNSLVR 2y ago
      It's genius!
- bamboozled 2y ago
  Could The USA go down in history as the empire that voluntarily gave up it's dominance. Pretty fascinating. It's like if Rome had a referendum to just leave the world stage and the majority of voters said, "great idea". Nearly every other case in history seems to involve some type of military failure. I guess there is a chance that in the future, people might say the USA's information space was invaded and so it fell victim to propaganda. Time will tell.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - jiggawatts 2y ago
    The voters in both the Roman Empire and the United States are content with bread and circuses.
    - bamboozled 2y ago
      It's true but Rome was under constant physical attack and that was part of what caused the actual downfall. I guess we could say The USA and probably the broader democratic world is under information attacks.
    - acdha 2y ago
      That phrase is darker and, alas, more apt than commonly understood: https://acoup.blog/2024/12/20/collections-on-bread-and-circuses/ https://acoup.blog/2024/12/20/collections-on-bread-and-circu...
  - llm_nerd 2y ago
    Trump in I believe last night's interview with Fox (guy seems to do these daily, repeating the same lies and nonsense night after night, so it's tough to know if it's new or not) complained that every other country had "raped and pillaged" the United States. Imagine being on top of the world, the richest large country on the planet, and declaring that really you're the victim. There is a fundamental blindness to realize that all of these things are not givens, and that things can get much, much, much worse. And they are going to get much worse. And Trump's approval rating will probably dip to 45%. The US has committed to the bit of being a modern idiocracy that just like the excitement of "oh boy, what hijinx is he going to do today???"
    - bamboozled 2y ago
      It's a self fulfilling prophecy isn't it? The USA will likely become a victim of it's own cruelty, stupid policies and nonsense and then his voter base will actually agree with him even more. They will truly feel like they were hard done by and lap up the BS even more. Which will be scary because it will reach biblical levels of worship if it already hasn't. Going to be wild.
- cycrutchfield 2y ago
  What else can you expect from a team that includes luminaries such as “Big Balls”?
- njovin 2y ago
  You're completely missing the point. This is another brilliant chess move by Elon . It's a trap and he's testing these people. When they fail the test he will have absolute proof that they were dangerous and incompetent employees. /s
- GloomyBoots 2y ago
  Well that seems to open up a loophole. Send them the password-protected document. Don’t send the password since it wasn’t explicitly requested. Could even use a one-time pad for good measure since it is just a really long password.
nothrowaways 2y ago
Smh
jmclnx 2y ago
I would encrypt the information that has 1000 lines that says "get a warrant" and email that encrypted document to them stating "My key is on your server you sunsetted last week" :)
ggm 2y ago
THis felt pertinant. Especially noting the [flagged] status: > Indeed, one consistent feedback I’ve heard from a subset of readers here is something to this effect: “I used to like reading your stuff more when you weren’t writing about politics all the time.” > My response to that is: “Yeah, me too.” It’s not that I’m suddenly interested in writing about political matters; it’s that various actions by this administration keep intruding on my areas of coverage. > A less charitable interpretation of that reader comment is that anyone still giving such feedback is either dangerously uninformed, being disingenuous, or just doesn’t want to keep being reminded that they’re on the side of the villains, despite all the evidence showing it. I don't want to go full throttle on this, but I think the mostly neutral stance being taken historically over flagging and un-flagging is going to be a semi constant irritation now that there is active warfare to "capture the flag(ging)" going on. I suppose I could be told "always thus" but I do think there's a qualitative difference emerging to past practice. The difference is, if you critique Musk/Doge you get flagged. It's almost robotic. It's strongly suggestive of a coded solution. I don't think we always had that.
r0ckarong 2y ago
Clown show
itscodingtime 2y ago
@dang why was this flagged ?
nativeit 2y ago
> when the very institutions that made American innovation possible are being systematically dismantled, it’s not a “political” story anymore: It’s a story about whether the environment that enabled all the other stories we cover will continue to exist. Now there's a [flag] for ya.

107 points by todsacerdoti 2y ago

>“Please provide a password protected attachment that provides your full name, your dates of employment (including date of termination), and one other identifying factor such as date of birth or social security number,” the message reads. “Please, to the extent that it is available, attach any termination notice.” >The message didn’t specify how affected CISA employees should share the password for any attached files, so the implicit expectation is that employees should just include the plaintext password in their message. I guess if you fire the guys who know how to use computers ... this is what happens. The scale of incompetence with the Trump administration knows no end...

BLKNSLVR 2y ago
No no, this was incredibly well thought out. This is the largest set of employees who know how insecure email is, and so are least likely to send anything remotely related to personal information via that medium, and therefore they will all remain fired and 'the administration' can claim they obviously didn't want to get their jobs back because very few emails were received in response to the request.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  And those that do reply can be fired for violating infosec policy.
  - BLKNSLVR 2y ago
    It's genius!
bamboozled 2y ago
Could The USA go down in history as the empire that voluntarily gave up it's dominance. Pretty fascinating. It's like if Rome had a referendum to just leave the world stage and the majority of voters said, "great idea". Nearly every other case in history seems to involve some type of military failure. I guess there is a chance that in the future, people might say the USA's information space was invaded and so it fell victim to propaganda. Time will tell.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- jiggawatts 2y ago
  The voters in both the Roman Empire and the United States are content with bread and circuses.
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    It's true but Rome was under constant physical attack and that was part of what caused the actual downfall. I guess we could say The USA and probably the broader democratic world is under information attacks.
  - acdha 2y ago
    That phrase is darker and, alas, more apt than commonly understood: https://acoup.blog/2024/12/20/collections-on-bread-and-circuses/ https://acoup.blog/2024/12/20/collections-on-bread-and-circu...
- llm_nerd 2y ago
  Trump in I believe last night's interview with Fox (guy seems to do these daily, repeating the same lies and nonsense night after night, so it's tough to know if it's new or not) complained that every other country had "raped and pillaged" the United States. Imagine being on top of the world, the richest large country on the planet, and declaring that really you're the victim. There is a fundamental blindness to realize that all of these things are not givens, and that things can get much, much, much worse. And they are going to get much worse. And Trump's approval rating will probably dip to 45%. The US has committed to the bit of being a modern idiocracy that just like the excitement of "oh boy, what hijinx is he going to do today???"
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    It's a self fulfilling prophecy isn't it? The USA will likely become a victim of it's own cruelty, stupid policies and nonsense and then his voter base will actually agree with him even more. They will truly feel like they were hard done by and lap up the BS even more. Which will be scary because it will reach biblical levels of worship if it already hasn't. Going to be wild.
cycrutchfield 2y ago
What else can you expect from a team that includes luminaries such as “Big Balls”?
njovin 2y ago
You're completely missing the point. This is another brilliant chess move by Elon . It's a trap and he's testing these people. When they fail the test he will have absolute proof that they were dangerous and incompetent employees. /s
GloomyBoots 2y ago
Well that seems to open up a loophole. Send them the password-protected document. Don’t send the password since it wasn’t explicitly requested. Could even use a one-time pad for good measure since it is just a really long password.

nothrowaways 2y ago

Smh

jmclnx 2y ago

I would encrypt the information that has 1000 lines that says "get a warrant" and email that encrypted document to them stating "My key is on your server you sunsetted last week" :)

ggm 2y ago

THis felt pertinant. Especially noting the [flagged] status: > Indeed, one consistent feedback I’ve heard from a subset of readers here is something to this effect: “I used to like reading your stuff more when you weren’t writing about politics all the time.” > My response to that is: “Yeah, me too.” It’s not that I’m suddenly interested in writing about political matters; it’s that various actions by this administration keep intruding on my areas of coverage. > A less charitable interpretation of that reader comment is that anyone still giving such feedback is either dangerously uninformed, being disingenuous, or just doesn’t want to keep being reminded that they’re on the side of the villains, despite all the evidence showing it. I don't want to go full throttle on this, but I think the mostly neutral stance being taken historically over flagging and un-flagging is going to be a semi constant irritation now that there is active warfare to "capture the flag(ging)" going on. I suppose I could be told "always thus" but I do think there's a qualitative difference emerging to past practice. The difference is, if you critique Musk/Doge you get flagged. It's almost robotic. It's strongly suggestive of a coded solution. I don't think we always had that.

r0ckarong 2y ago

Clown show

itscodingtime 2y ago

@dang why was this flagged ?

nativeit 2y ago

> when the very institutions that made American innovation possible are being systematically dismantled, it’s not a “political” story anymore: It’s a story about whether the environment that enabled all the other stories we cover will continue to exist. Now there's a [flag] for ya.