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If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arr

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjected to their own more oppressive and never ending hells, like being deported to a prison camp in Ecuador with no idea when you'd ever be released. New America is absolutely terrifying.

perihelions 2y ago
(The forced labor camp is in El Salvador, not Ecuador).
freehorse 2y ago
This whole situation -coupled with the outright bans or obstacles in giving visas to people from several countries- cannot but have unpredictable consequences. For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. And if they do, they should get boycotted. US right now is neither accessible nor safe for foreign citizens. And I bet recruiting or holding to highly skilled labour force will start being a problem too.
- jcranmer 2y ago
  > For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. There is a language standards committee meeting that was going to take place in the US that is now not because too many attendees think the US is no longer a safe place to travel to. We're already seeing this damage take place.
  - franktankbank 2y ago
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  - fc417fc802 2y ago
    Really sad the sibling comment got flagged to death. I code in English! Everyone should code in English! No more C++, no more language standards committees, no more nonstandard languages!
    - freehorse 2y ago
      We should actually call it American, not English! The fact that several centuries ago some people in England spoke this language does not give them rights to call it with their place's name, when AMERICA is NOW so GREAT. I code in American, and AMERICAN is the greatest language of all! And plus we do not need any standards committee for that, just an executive order.
- femiagbabiaka 2y ago
  It’s not just foreign citizens: it’s anyone who doesn’t look white. If you’re a U.S. citizen maybe you’ll get the privilege of being let go in less than a week. https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/03/14/us-citizen-arrested-berwyn-ice-chicago-attorneys https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/03/14/us-citiz...
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- firefax 2y ago
  The venue I published in before dropping out of my PhD purposefully alternated between the US and international locations for these reasons. (Some folks would complain that Canada "didn't count", which would of course greatly offend the Canadians present.) One prominent professor was screamed at, nearly tazed, and had their car torn apart because the CBP thought they were homeless, which would be amusing if this senior researcher had not been obviously traumatized by the experience. I have heard terrible stories from Canadian academics for years through presidencies of "both sides", and I'm glad this story is getting the traction it deserves but we also need to be mindful we did not arrive at this moment overnight.
- rayiner 2y ago
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- LPisGood 2y ago
  > For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. I’m not sure what area you work in, but there are still many in computer science and optimization.
  - freehorse 2y ago
    Which were already planned. And still, right now increasingly more people cannot go or wont go to them. Let's see after this summer how things are gonna go.
apples_oranges 2y ago
I wonder why agents in the field, customs, immigration etc, seem so eager to implement these changes.
- pjc50 2y ago
  Rhetorical question, or are you genuinely asking?
  - apples_oranges 2y ago
    Genuinely. Are they all Trump fans that say "finally we can do what we always wanted to do" or what? I mean there's the law or some executive order but there's also leeway in implementing. I am not qualified to judge but it just seems to be some sort of preemptive obedience.
    - d3nj4l 2y ago
      > Genuinely. Are they all Trump fans that say "finally we can do what we always wanted to do" or what? Yes. It's trivial to tell if you're not a citizen and go through customs.
    - exe34 2y ago
      I get the impression that a lot of school bullies get into law enforcement. they don't have the skills/credentials to do anything else and they have the streak of cruelty that you need to fit in.
      - MisterTea 2y ago
        I knew a guy in my early 20's, not white, who wanted to be a cop. Once he told me "If I have a bad day, everyone gonna have a bad day." I dont talk to him anymore because he became a cop and turned into a fucking asshole.
        cratermoon 2y ago
ssijak 2y ago
Objective is to earn as much money as possible without regard for people. Those detention centers and prisons are privately owned.
- danmaz74 2y ago
  From the article: "Companies like CoreCivic and GEO Group receive government funding based on the number of people they detain, which is why they lobby for stricter immigration policies. It’s a lucrative business: CoreCivic made over $560m from Ice contracts in a single year. In 2024, GEO Group made more than $763m from Ice contracts."
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/private-prisons-in-the-united-states/ https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/private-prisons-in...
- rayiner 2y ago
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  - jakelazaroff 2y ago
    Yeah, it’s basically “drained pool politics”. The threat of extrajudicial imprisonment objectively makes the US a less attractive place for business and will hurt us economically. The current administration simply cares more about resegregating the country and will cut off all our noses to spite our faces.
    - rayiner 2y ago
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      - cratermoon 2y ago
        > At a certain point the foreigners will turn America into the country they came from. You say that like it's a bad thing. OH NOES the US will become more democratic and equitable and less racist and hateful
ta1243 2y ago
Was due to go to meet our new local hires post April. Standard ESTA. No way I'm going now.
- pjc50 2y ago
  Sensible - meeting new hires counts as "work", which is strictly not included under just the ESTA, so you'd have to decide whether to lie to the border guards about it or risk this treatment.
  - ta1243 2y ago
    Hell just answering a phonecall from HQ would be a risk.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Onboard them somewhere safe outside the US? Retreat style.
jajko 2y ago
Smart immigrants shouldn't migrate to US anymore, period. Not if you have more than just very short-sighted dollar signs on your eyes. Its just plain out stupid thing to do, to be treated worse than garbage. This is how institutionalized xenophobia looks like. The fact is, I've read very similar articles about how US treats any non-US citizens a decade or two ago. Nothing changed dramatically, people just bring these up now due to current admin. In US, if you are not a citizen, you are subhuman and treated as such, directly by government. Why the fuck would anybody with any amount of dignity cause it upon themselves willingly? Europe can offer you tons of opportunities and treat you with dignity. Good quality of life and happiness is much easier to achieve, much less stress, your health and education of your kids will be taken care of. Or Australia. Heck, almost any other free place but current US, and many places experience much more actual personal freedom currently. We can certainly do more than just boycott some nazi ev cars.
- pjc50 2y ago
  As a Brit: be careful about bigging up how Europe treats immigrants, because the Mediterranean issue has really upped the brutality of immigration enforcement and has resulted in some countries making it illegal to rescue drowning people.
  - twUewhag 2y ago
    The charges are that they facilitated trafficking by rescuing people that didn't need rescuing: https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/30/these-people-face-20-years-in-jail-for-saving-others-from-drowning-in-the-mediterranean https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/30/these-people-face-20-yea... Ironically somewhat corroborated by the photo in the article. What is the solution for Italy and Greece with these massive coast lines and islands? The refugees deliberately lose their passports. If the rescuers dumped them in a random North African country, everything would be fine. But they want to import as many as possible for ideological reasons.
    - tpm 2y ago
      > What is the solution for Italy and Greece with these massive coast lines and islands? The solution is to once again enable applying for asylum at the embassies and consulates. Then nobody has to drown. > If the rescuers dumped them in a random North African country, everything would be fine. Apart from the many people being killed by random North African country, like what is happening currently with migrants in Libya. That's not fine at all. > But they want to import as many as possible for ideological reasons. Humanitarian reasons, not ideological.
mschuster91 2y ago
> New America is absolutely terrifying. New? I have advised people to not go to the US ever since they instituted the requirement to provide any and all social media profiles they ever had. Way too many chances for some off-context tweet from a decade or two ago to lead to getting refused at the border by CBP with no recourse. Additionally, anyone who ever got arrested in their life - and be it a conviction for marijuana smoking as a kid and no matter if you actually got convicted, released or the records expunged/sealed - will either have to lie on their application (which is a bad idea because no one knows if the NSA doesn't have taps on other countries' judiciary systems) or have an additional arbitrary hurdle to pass at the border. And on top of that you're in a conundrum: you have to book hotels, cars and flights prior to applying for a visa because you need that to prove you're not going to overstay... but if your visa/ESTA application fails, you're out a lot of money for nothing. It's not just permanent or temporary immigration, tourists have been affected as well for years. But hey, the US seems to be willing to lose thousands of dollars for each tourist they scare off, so if it's worth it for them, I'll gladly spend my money somewhere I feel welcomed instead of like a threat. All the 45th/47th admin has done is adding even more uncertainty to an already steaming hot pile of dung. At least our government has reacted and updated the hints on travels to the US [1], but shied away for now from issuing an official travel warning. [1] https://www.spiegel.de/politik/usa-auswaertiges-amt-verschaerft-reisehinweise-fuer-die-vereinigten-staaten-a-54ec92a8-35ea-403a-9d08-72a010441475 https://www.spiegel.de/politik/usa-auswaertiges-amt-verschae...
- account42 2y ago
  A better advice would be to avoid social media. You don't have to broadcast your private life to the world but if you do you need to live with the fact that the world includes border control - and it included them even before they started asking for your accounts explicitly.
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    That a) doesn't undo past or even deleted social media profiles. Library of Congress has archived the Twitter firehose for years. And b) it helps nothing against the host of other issues I raised.
mdp2021 2y ago
Sorry, but only modalities are a new thing, not the discretionary part with all disregard to proportion. Already decades ago people (and high profile people) were stopped at the custom and sent back without justification (reconstructed as "apparent dislike") with the first flight.
- deleted 2y ago
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TacticalCoder 2y ago
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rayiner 2y ago
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- diggan 2y ago
  > People should be afraid to come to America. Currently, it seems the tactics are scaring people who already arrived and are residents. Is that also a good thing or just unintended consequence of trying to scare away the dangerous outsiders?
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- fzeroracer 2y ago
  Because this has historically worked so well with the War On Drugs and the sheer amount of people America puts into prison, yeah? Weird how no matter how hard we ratchet up draconian enforcement measures it doesn't seem to work. And in this scenario, we're chasing away tourists, foreign talent and more. But hey, at least those sweet private prisons get their kickback from the layers of corruption.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    Illegal border crossings have dropped to almost zero. The policy is working. Private ICE detention centers don’t get any money if people don’t cross the border illegally.
    - 9283409232 2y ago
      Border apprehensions have dropped to historic lows. That does not mean border crossings have dropped to historic lows. I also don't fully trust data coming out of this administration.
    - LPisGood 2y ago
      There is absolutely no reason to think illegal border crossings were ever much higher than they are today.
elicash 2y ago
One thing I'm keeping an eye on is if Canada eventually updates its travel advisory warning for the United States https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states (Currently still at 'normal precautions')
- huskyr 2y ago
  Germany apparently is already warning trans and non-binary people when travelling to the US: https://www.advocate.com/news/germany-warns-transgender-travelers-us https://www.advocate.com/news/germany-warns-transgender-trav...
elif 2y ago
RIP due process 1776-2025
- lavelganzu 2y ago
  Technically the "due process" clause is in the 14th Amendment, ratified 1868. ;)
  - cafard 2y ago
    "nor shall any person ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" is in the Fifth Amendment.
  - AlecSchueler 2y ago
    Many might say the 19th, which took effect in 1920.
- cratermoon 2y ago
  A substantial portion of US citizens would not date the beginning of due process back to 1776.
swat535 2y ago
New America? I beg to differ. The United States has always been hostile to outsiders—what’s different now is that they’re not even trying to hide it. As a naturalized Canadian, crossing the U.S. border has always been a frustrating ordeal. Despite holding a valid Canadian passport, I’m routinely subjected to an extra hour of “security” questioning. Maybe I’m just unlucky. Or maybe it’s because I was born in an "undesirable" Middle Eastern country and have brown skin. One time I was detained for 5 hours and were questioned about "Islam" (ironically, I'm a Christian so I couldn't answer their questions). My belongings are always searched, and I’m treated as less than human by CBP. I suspect that if you’re white, crossing from EU or elsewhere, you were used to an easier time until now. The gloves are off.
- busterarm 2y ago
  It's mutual for Americans going the other way and has been for at least the 20 years plus that I've been regularly visiting Canada.
- diggan 2y ago
  I've never been to the US, because I've been scared of these things, for decades, after reading stories about it. I've traveled to Canada and Mexico multiple times, but one time I made the mistake of having a connecting flight in Florida (first and last time). As expected, I was interrogated by police-looking people about my motivations, yelled at by some other ones to walk faster and use some machine faster, and almost missed my connecting flight because of the "some questions", even though I never actually intended to enter the US, since I was on my way to Mexico.
  - graemep 2y ago
    Me too. A lot of people who are widely travelled have told me that the US is the most hostile country to enter so, although there are places and people I would love to visit, I have never been.
- yolo666999420 2y ago
  For whatever it's worth, I'm treated this way as a white American. I'm selected for extra screening every single time I reenter the country. Though, I don't think it's ever been longer that 30 minutes or so. I don't know why but some combination of having a beard, being naturally anxious and having traveled to "unusual" countries -- at least by American standards. Crossing the border makes for a guaranteed panic attack and I've let my passport expire. It's a damn shame, too, because it's depriving my kids of invaluable life experiences and has brought my relationship with my spouse (who loves to travel) to the brink on multiple occasions.
juujian 2y ago
She wasn't released because she was Canadian. She was released because it was becoming a PR issue.
qoez 2y ago
As a non american: America can get away with a lot more than this and still be an attractive place to try to move to. SF and many other places offer job opportunities the EU can't, and despite this and much more pain of trying to work there it's still worth it.
- diggan 2y ago
  > SF and many other places offer job opportunities the EU can't, Besides a job that just pays more money, what sort of unique opportunities exists in the US that doesn't exist anywhere in Europe? Genuinely curious, as I can't seem to think of any on my own.
  - LPisGood 2y ago
    Lots of the best colleges in the world are in USA. That’s not to say some aren’t in the EU, but by numbers USA has Europe thoroughly outclassed.
    - diggan 2y ago
      Judging by the "intellectual purge" that just started, I'm not sure working as a professor at a college (world class or not) is such a great job opportunity. But I'm not close to academia at all, so maybe I'm wrong.
    - disgruntledphd2 2y ago
      It's important to note that basically all university rankings are massively, massively skewed by the native English speaking countries. Additionally, lots of UK and US universities have huge endowments which definitely helps. That's not to say that there aren't great Universities there, but really international students go to the US (and some of the EU) so that they have a better chance of working there post study.
      - LPisGood 2y ago
        “They come to US so they have a better chance of working in US” seems like it isn’t a counter point.

perihelions 2y ago

(The forced labor camp is in El Salvador, not Ecuador).

freehorse 2y ago

This whole situation -coupled with the outright bans or obstacles in giving visas to people from several countries- cannot but have unpredictable consequences. For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. And if they do, they should get boycotted. US right now is neither accessible nor safe for foreign citizens. And I bet recruiting or holding to highly skilled labour force will start being a problem too.

jcranmer 2y ago
> For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. There is a language standards committee meeting that was going to take place in the US that is now not because too many attendees think the US is no longer a safe place to travel to. We're already seeing this damage take place.
- franktankbank 2y ago
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- fc417fc802 2y ago
  Really sad the sibling comment got flagged to death. I code in English! Everyone should code in English! No more C++, no more language standards committees, no more nonstandard languages!
  - freehorse 2y ago
    We should actually call it American, not English! The fact that several centuries ago some people in England spoke this language does not give them rights to call it with their place's name, when AMERICA is NOW so GREAT. I code in American, and AMERICAN is the greatest language of all! And plus we do not need any standards committee for that, just an executive order.
femiagbabiaka 2y ago
It’s not just foreign citizens: it’s anyone who doesn’t look white. If you’re a U.S. citizen maybe you’ll get the privilege of being let go in less than a week. https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/03/14/us-citizen-arrested-berwyn-ice-chicago-attorneys https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/03/14/us-citiz...
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firefax 2y ago
The venue I published in before dropping out of my PhD purposefully alternated between the US and international locations for these reasons. (Some folks would complain that Canada "didn't count", which would of course greatly offend the Canadians present.) One prominent professor was screamed at, nearly tazed, and had their car torn apart because the CBP thought they were homeless, which would be amusing if this senior researcher had not been obviously traumatized by the experience. I have heard terrible stories from Canadian academics for years through presidencies of "both sides", and I'm glad this story is getting the traction it deserves but we also need to be mindful we did not arrive at this moment overnight.
rayiner 2y ago
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LPisGood 2y ago
> For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. I’m not sure what area you work in, but there are still many in computer science and optimization.
- freehorse 2y ago
  Which were already planned. And still, right now increasingly more people cannot go or wont go to them. Let's see after this summer how things are gonna go.

apples_oranges 2y ago

I wonder why agents in the field, customs, immigration etc, seem so eager to implement these changes.

pjc50 2y ago
Rhetorical question, or are you genuinely asking?
- apples_oranges 2y ago
  Genuinely. Are they all Trump fans that say "finally we can do what we always wanted to do" or what? I mean there's the law or some executive order but there's also leeway in implementing. I am not qualified to judge but it just seems to be some sort of preemptive obedience.
  - d3nj4l 2y ago
    > Genuinely. Are they all Trump fans that say "finally we can do what we always wanted to do" or what? Yes. It's trivial to tell if you're not a citizen and go through customs.
  - exe34 2y ago
    I get the impression that a lot of school bullies get into law enforcement. they don't have the skills/credentials to do anything else and they have the streak of cruelty that you need to fit in.
    - MisterTea 2y ago
      I knew a guy in my early 20's, not white, who wanted to be a cop. Once he told me "If I have a bad day, everyone gonna have a bad day." I dont talk to him anymore because he became a cop and turned into a fucking asshole.
      - cratermoon 2y ago

ssijak 2y ago

Objective is to earn as much money as possible without regard for people. Those detention centers and prisons are privately owned.

danmaz74 2y ago
From the article: "Companies like CoreCivic and GEO Group receive government funding based on the number of people they detain, which is why they lobby for stricter immigration policies. It’s a lucrative business: CoreCivic made over $560m from Ice contracts in a single year. In 2024, GEO Group made more than $763m from Ice contracts."
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/private-prisons-in-the-united-states/ https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/private-prisons-in...
rayiner 2y ago
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- jakelazaroff 2y ago
  Yeah, it’s basically “drained pool politics”. The threat of extrajudicial imprisonment objectively makes the US a less attractive place for business and will hurt us economically. The current administration simply cares more about resegregating the country and will cut off all our noses to spite our faces.
  - rayiner 2y ago
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    - cratermoon 2y ago
      > At a certain point the foreigners will turn America into the country they came from. You say that like it's a bad thing. OH NOES the US will become more democratic and equitable and less racist and hateful

ta1243 2y ago

Was due to go to meet our new local hires post April. Standard ESTA. No way I'm going now.

pjc50 2y ago
Sensible - meeting new hires counts as "work", which is strictly not included under just the ESTA, so you'd have to decide whether to lie to the border guards about it or risk this treatment.
- ta1243 2y ago
  Hell just answering a phonecall from HQ would be a risk.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
Onboard them somewhere safe outside the US? Retreat style.

jajko 2y ago

Smart immigrants shouldn't migrate to US anymore, period. Not if you have more than just very short-sighted dollar signs on your eyes. Its just plain out stupid thing to do, to be treated worse than garbage. This is how institutionalized xenophobia looks like. The fact is, I've read very similar articles about how US treats any non-US citizens a decade or two ago. Nothing changed dramatically, people just bring these up now due to current admin. In US, if you are not a citizen, you are subhuman and treated as such, directly by government. Why the fuck would anybody with any amount of dignity cause it upon themselves willingly? Europe can offer you tons of opportunities and treat you with dignity. Good quality of life and happiness is much easier to achieve, much less stress, your health and education of your kids will be taken care of. Or Australia. Heck, almost any other free place but current US, and many places experience much more actual personal freedom currently. We can certainly do more than just boycott some nazi ev cars.

pjc50 2y ago
As a Brit: be careful about bigging up how Europe treats immigrants, because the Mediterranean issue has really upped the brutality of immigration enforcement and has resulted in some countries making it illegal to rescue drowning people.
- twUewhag 2y ago
  The charges are that they facilitated trafficking by rescuing people that didn't need rescuing: https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/30/these-people-face-20-years-in-jail-for-saving-others-from-drowning-in-the-mediterranean https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/30/these-people-face-20-yea... Ironically somewhat corroborated by the photo in the article. What is the solution for Italy and Greece with these massive coast lines and islands? The refugees deliberately lose their passports. If the rescuers dumped them in a random North African country, everything would be fine. But they want to import as many as possible for ideological reasons.
  - tpm 2y ago
    > What is the solution for Italy and Greece with these massive coast lines and islands? The solution is to once again enable applying for asylum at the embassies and consulates. Then nobody has to drown. > If the rescuers dumped them in a random North African country, everything would be fine. Apart from the many people being killed by random North African country, like what is happening currently with migrants in Libya. That's not fine at all. > But they want to import as many as possible for ideological reasons. Humanitarian reasons, not ideological.

mschuster91 2y ago

> New America is absolutely terrifying. New? I have advised people to not go to the US ever since they instituted the requirement to provide any and all social media profiles they ever had. Way too many chances for some off-context tweet from a decade or two ago to lead to getting refused at the border by CBP with no recourse. Additionally, anyone who ever got arrested in their life - and be it a conviction for marijuana smoking as a kid and no matter if you actually got convicted, released or the records expunged/sealed - will either have to lie on their application (which is a bad idea because no one knows if the NSA doesn't have taps on other countries' judiciary systems) or have an additional arbitrary hurdle to pass at the border. And on top of that you're in a conundrum: you have to book hotels, cars and flights prior to applying for a visa because you need that to prove you're not going to overstay... but if your visa/ESTA application fails, you're out a lot of money for nothing. It's not just permanent or temporary immigration, tourists have been affected as well for years. But hey, the US seems to be willing to lose thousands of dollars for each tourist they scare off, so if it's worth it for them, I'll gladly spend my money somewhere I feel welcomed instead of like a threat. All the 45th/47th admin has done is adding even more uncertainty to an already steaming hot pile of dung. At least our government has reacted and updated the hints on travels to the US [1], but shied away for now from issuing an official travel warning. [1] https://www.spiegel.de/politik/usa-auswaertiges-amt-verschaerft-reisehinweise-fuer-die-vereinigten-staaten-a-54ec92a8-35ea-403a-9d08-72a010441475 https://www.spiegel.de/politik/usa-auswaertiges-amt-verschae...

account42 2y ago
A better advice would be to avoid social media. You don't have to broadcast your private life to the world but if you do you need to live with the fact that the world includes border control - and it included them even before they started asking for your accounts explicitly.
- mschuster91 2y ago
  That a) doesn't undo past or even deleted social media profiles. Library of Congress has archived the Twitter firehose for years. And b) it helps nothing against the host of other issues I raised.

mdp2021 2y ago

Sorry, but only modalities are a new thing, not the discretionary part with all disregard to proportion. Already decades ago people (and high profile people) were stopped at the custom and sent back without justification (reconstructed as "apparent dislike") with the first flight.

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TacticalCoder 2y ago

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rayiner 2y ago

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diggan 2y ago
> People should be afraid to come to America. Currently, it seems the tactics are scaring people who already arrived and are residents. Is that also a good thing or just unintended consequence of trying to scare away the dangerous outsiders?
- deleted 2y ago
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fzeroracer 2y ago
Because this has historically worked so well with the War On Drugs and the sheer amount of people America puts into prison, yeah? Weird how no matter how hard we ratchet up draconian enforcement measures it doesn't seem to work. And in this scenario, we're chasing away tourists, foreign talent and more. But hey, at least those sweet private prisons get their kickback from the layers of corruption.
- rayiner 2y ago
  Illegal border crossings have dropped to almost zero. The policy is working. Private ICE detention centers don’t get any money if people don’t cross the border illegally.
  - 9283409232 2y ago
    Border apprehensions have dropped to historic lows. That does not mean border crossings have dropped to historic lows. I also don't fully trust data coming out of this administration.
  - LPisGood 2y ago
    There is absolutely no reason to think illegal border crossings were ever much higher than they are today.

elicash 2y ago

One thing I'm keeping an eye on is if Canada eventually updates its travel advisory warning for the United States https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states (Currently still at 'normal precautions')

huskyr 2y ago
Germany apparently is already warning trans and non-binary people when travelling to the US: https://www.advocate.com/news/germany-warns-transgender-travelers-us https://www.advocate.com/news/germany-warns-transgender-trav...

elif 2y ago

RIP due process 1776-2025

lavelganzu 2y ago
Technically the "due process" clause is in the 14th Amendment, ratified 1868. ;)
- cafard 2y ago
  "nor shall any person ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" is in the Fifth Amendment.
- AlecSchueler 2y ago
  Many might say the 19th, which took effect in 1920.
cratermoon 2y ago
A substantial portion of US citizens would not date the beginning of due process back to 1776.

swat535 2y ago

New America? I beg to differ. The United States has always been hostile to outsiders—what’s different now is that they’re not even trying to hide it. As a naturalized Canadian, crossing the U.S. border has always been a frustrating ordeal. Despite holding a valid Canadian passport, I’m routinely subjected to an extra hour of “security” questioning. Maybe I’m just unlucky. Or maybe it’s because I was born in an "undesirable" Middle Eastern country and have brown skin. One time I was detained for 5 hours and were questioned about "Islam" (ironically, I'm a Christian so I couldn't answer their questions). My belongings are always searched, and I’m treated as less than human by CBP. I suspect that if you’re white, crossing from EU or elsewhere, you were used to an easier time until now. The gloves are off.

busterarm 2y ago
It's mutual for Americans going the other way and has been for at least the 20 years plus that I've been regularly visiting Canada.
diggan 2y ago
I've never been to the US, because I've been scared of these things, for decades, after reading stories about it. I've traveled to Canada and Mexico multiple times, but one time I made the mistake of having a connecting flight in Florida (first and last time). As expected, I was interrogated by police-looking people about my motivations, yelled at by some other ones to walk faster and use some machine faster, and almost missed my connecting flight because of the "some questions", even though I never actually intended to enter the US, since I was on my way to Mexico.
- graemep 2y ago
  Me too. A lot of people who are widely travelled have told me that the US is the most hostile country to enter so, although there are places and people I would love to visit, I have never been.
yolo666999420 2y ago
For whatever it's worth, I'm treated this way as a white American. I'm selected for extra screening every single time I reenter the country. Though, I don't think it's ever been longer that 30 minutes or so. I don't know why but some combination of having a beard, being naturally anxious and having traveled to "unusual" countries -- at least by American standards. Crossing the border makes for a guaranteed panic attack and I've let my passport expire. It's a damn shame, too, because it's depriving my kids of invaluable life experiences and has brought my relationship with my spouse (who loves to travel) to the brink on multiple occasions.

juujian 2y ago

She wasn't released because she was Canadian. She was released because it was becoming a PR issue.

qoez 2y ago

As a non american: America can get away with a lot more than this and still be an attractive place to try to move to. SF and many other places offer job opportunities the EU can't, and despite this and much more pain of trying to work there it's still worth it.

diggan 2y ago
> SF and many other places offer job opportunities the EU can't, Besides a job that just pays more money, what sort of unique opportunities exists in the US that doesn't exist anywhere in Europe? Genuinely curious, as I can't seem to think of any on my own.
- LPisGood 2y ago
  Lots of the best colleges in the world are in USA. That’s not to say some aren’t in the EU, but by numbers USA has Europe thoroughly outclassed.
  - diggan 2y ago
    Judging by the "intellectual purge" that just started, I'm not sure working as a professor at a college (world class or not) is such a great job opportunity. But I'm not close to academia at all, so maybe I'm wrong.
  - disgruntledphd2 2y ago
    It's important to note that basically all university rankings are massively, massively skewed by the native English speaking countries. Additionally, lots of UK and US universities have huge endowments which definitely helps. That's not to say that there aren't great Universities there, but really international students go to the US (and some of the EU) so that they have a better chance of working there post study.
    - LPisGood 2y ago
      “They come to US so they have a better chance of working in US” seems like it isn’t a counter point.