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Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners
- g42gregory 2y agoMy thought is that this is not going to last. Law enforcement is completely different from a year ago, when they "couldn't find" who was ransacking Apple retail stores. There are many lawful forms of expressing your views.
- atq2119 2y agoIsn't most law enforcement in the US at a state or local level? Why would that be completely different from a year ago?
- g42gregory 2y agoI would guess that the multiple interstate locations will bump it to the Federal level. Exactly as it would have, with the Apple stores.
- fishnchips 2y agoYes, after the recent promotional event at the White House I can easily imagine protecting Teslas becomes a top priority, and that damaging one is punishable by death.
- wood_spirit 2y agoTrump did literally say during that event that attacking Tesla showrooms was domestic terrorism.
- UncleEntity 2y agoI'm sure the apartheidist made similar statements when Musk was a child. Didn't really work out for them IIRC.
- renewiltord 2y agoIt is unequivocally terrorism to participate in violence against civilians with the aim of causing political change. And it's domestic because it's here. It's definitionally correct.
- n4r9 2y agoSpray painting Teslas is not "violence against civilians". Even setting fire to them in a showroom is debatable if it's at night when no one's about.
- milesrout 2y ago[flagged]
- mrangle 2y agoIt is terrorism, indisputably. Arguing other point is relatively inconsequential. But if we were to argue the point, to argue that spray-paint isn't "violence" isn't going to have much credibility when it's perceived to be from the long standing "words are violence" and "silence is violence" crowd. A selective standard is no standard at all. How the spray paint differs is that it is property destruction in service of intimidation toward a political end.
- acdha 2y agoDoes that mean that Republicans engaged in terrorism when they threatened to hang journalists, shoot immigrants or Democrats, etc.? Seems like the courts might be overloaded if we redefine every threat as an act of terrorism.
- outer_web 2y agoWe need a new word then, for hijacking planes and driving explosives-laden boats into tankers. Any ideas?
- Jensson 2y agoWhy? Not all crimes with the same name is of the same severity.
- lesuorac 2y agoHonestly, I don't think the article supports the headline. ex. "The cost to insure a Tesla Model 3 went up 30 percent last year.". Nothing happening in March of this year is affecting the price of insurance from last year. I have no doubt that stuff happening in March of this year will affect insurance prices this year but Tesla insurance is just expensive because the availability of Tesla repairs is low. Whether or not law enforcement (which is most likely state level and therefore didn't change this year) can figure out whose doing vandalism isn't going to affect the price as significantly as Tesla's own inability to repair vehicles.
- smileysteve 2y agoAgree Tesla and Tesla charger vandalism was high last year by the anti-ev crowd It's expected to be higher occurrence, but less measurable (ie, petty vandalism) by the anti Elon crowd
- ge96 2y agoUnfortunately a Tesla is not under $900
- smileysteve 2y agoBut it is more difficult to prove criminal intent and value paint, metal, and tire damage. If Sentry mode records the perpetrator, the cops have to find it criminal, and then the DA decides to prosecute.... Good luck civilly pursuing every door ding or the mustard that fell off a sandwich -- even if somebody holds their ID up to a sentry mode camera, or drives off with their license plate clearly visible.
- smileysteve 2y agoThe insurance in question is more about individual cars rather than stores; And while Teslas have Sentry mode that could detect things like paint, door dings, tire vandalism to record a criminal act, law enforcement has rarely been able to enforce much except the extreme or flagrant.
- UncleEntity 2y agoLaw enforcement, comprised completely of government workers, is going to go out and find the people protesting against killing off their golden goose? I think it's more likely they'll start enforcing jaywalking laws against children playing hockey in the street. Now, I'm not saying anyone should vandalize someone else's car for political reasons but as a campaign to dissuade people from buying Teslas this seems to be quite effective.
- dragonwriter 2y ago> Law enforcement, comprised completely of government workers, is going to go out and find the people protesting against killing off their golden goose? Law enforcement has both generally been spared direct cuts and had federal accountability measures removed, so they, and especially the worst actors, have plenty of reason to friendly to the regime.
- UncleEntity 2y agoSure, but how many are either veterans or are friends with veterans?
- Ferret7446 2y agoLaw enforcement, comprised of local workers, are accountable to their local citizens. I don't think they have any particular beef against cutting federal workers. > as a campaign to dissuade people from buying Teslas this seems to be quite effective. Terrorism is generally effective. That's kind of the point, to effect change through violence. Although hopefully, that effect doesn't escalate to enforcement of real ID on the Web to deal with all of the people promoting terrorism on social media platforms.
- 1shooner 2y agoThis article provides no causation between 'Tesla hate' and insurance costs. The only factual claim is that Tesla insurance premiums rose 30% in 2024, and cost to insure is 25% higher than a Mercedes A-class. But a quick internet search shows that 2022 MSRPs for those cars were $47k and $34k respectively, a 32% difference.
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- jeffwask 2y agoThis has more to do with Tesla's being totaled in fender benders than the events of the last two months because the cost associated with replacing and fixing the cameras, electronics, and sensors. I've had two friends who had rear end accidents with their Teslas. One took over a year for his car to be returned in full working order after being rear ended at a stop sign. The other backed into a pole in a parking lot and they totaled out the car. All this cool stuff made these vehicles unrepairable from what are minor issues with less advanced vehicles.
- 1shooner 2y ago>The other backed into a pole in a parking lot and they totaled out the car. That's ludicrous.
- genericone 2y agoI struck a column in a multilevel garage while reversing out of a parking spot, my mistake completely, resulting in damage to the driver door, door hinge, mirror, and front quarter panel. Progressive considered the car totaled due to the cost/availability/labor to fix it. Unsure what the cost would be for a toyota or honda, but I was perplexed at the total loss of my still drivable car.
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- wnevets 2y agogo tesla go broke doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
- wood_spirit 2y agoShould/would the government bail out Tesla were it to get into financial difficulties?
- wnevets 2y agoIsn't that why Tesla exist in the first place? Tax payer dollars.
- kadoban 2y ago> Should/would the government bail out Tesla were it to get into financial difficulties? Should? No. Would? Yes.
- correlator 2y agoAs of December 31st, 2024, Tesla has around $17b in cash and cash equivalents, $122b in assets, and $49b in liabilities It doesn't seem likely the government will have to bail them out.
- wood_spirit 2y agoMusk has just appealed the rescinding of his $56B pay deal. Where would Tesla be were he to get a more favourable ruling this time?
- correlator 2y agoThe company would have more cash in the bank when he exercises those options. They also wouldn't have to pay to create a new pay package to replace the voided one. This process is surprisingly expensive to create and implement a CEO pay package. There were more reasons that shareholders voted for the package in the revote, but omitting others as I don't think they are related to financials
- Pseudocrat 2y ago> It’s a machine run on actuarial tables and its calculations are telling insurers that they’ll probably have to pay out a damage claim if they cover a Tesla EV. How is something as recent as this already affecting interest rates? If this is true, then only negative short term trends can have such an effect. Otherwise I would expect rates to lower just as quickly when public ire moves onto the next outrage generator.
- boznz 2y agoMight effect new buyers decisions I guess, but since about 99% of Tesla's were sold to green, left-leaning buyers, before the Elon hate-fest, I am not sure how targeting that group of people for your hatred is helping any "cause".
- giantg2 2y agoUsually this type of thing isn't really about a cause but making oneself feel better. The stuff that is actually beneficial to a cause tend to be less emotionally satisfying.
- bartread 2y agoSadly I think, and for some time now, we are well past the point where political action needs to make sense either to the people involved or to the people outside. The message, the narrative, they’re whatever you want them to be. Whether that makes sense - much less where the truth lies - is irrelevant.
- spiderfarmer 2y agoOr, you should do politics without promoting nazism and white supremacy on the platform that you solely bought to be able to do so.
- mathgeek 2y agoDid you mean to respond to another comment? You’re in the thread about vandalizing left-leaning Tesla owners.
- happytoexplain 2y agoIt's obviously being offered as justification for the anti-Tesla behavior (using the context of the GP in a tongue-in-cheek way). You may reasonably disagree, but the message wasn't unclear.
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- lovich 2y agoIts still Guantanamo. And we pardon people who cause damage because they dont like governmental policies in this country
- standardUser 2y agoVandalism is not violence and property destruction is generally not considered terrorism under existing laws. If the "vandalism" resulted in widespread destruction of infrastructure or disrupted essential services, then it sometimes falls under legal definitions of terrorism.
- pessimizer 2y agoCompletely normal country. First they consume from and subsidize this guy into the richest guy in the world, now they're vandalizing each other's cars. I wonder if it's weird to be vandalizing somebody's car for being the same luxury brand as the car you sold last week. Does it feel revolutionary? Resistance libs are basically Carlists now.
- outer_web 2y ago"I saw you listening to Kanye in 2005 and now you don't like him, what a hypocrite!"
- assimpleaspossi 2y agoThe Tesla, last I read about and test drove one, is a great car. Why tear at a company that makes a great car over anyone's political preferences? The phrase "shooting oneself in the foot" comes to mind. It makes no sense whatsoever.
- jryan49 2y agoIt's at the bottom of all reliability lists so I'd argue it's not a "great car"
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- lovich 2y ago>Why tear at a company that makes a great car over anyone's political preferences? With how our society is set up, you are suggesting not holding any political viewpoints or preferences. I had a whole diatribe typed up that I deleted because I realized I cannot actually empathize or have a theory of mind for how you could think this was an acceptable way to live life. Do you silo every interaction you have with everyone else?
- milesrout 2y agoHe is suggesting the opposite. Attacking every company run by someone you disagree with politically is a recipe for not being able to participate in society in any meaningful way. Musk's views are quite normal and are shared by people involved in every company and institution out there. Are you going to boycott them all? These boycotts only work as isolated, selective outrage. It is the same with countries. If you wanted to be consistent, you'd have to boycott every country in the world. They all do some bad things.
- supportengineer 2y ago>> Musk's views are quite normal Citation please
- hammock 2y agoBy design, no? The point of Tesla vandalism is to incur costs to the owners. Or is it just a mostly peaceful protest?
- Lanolderen 2y agoThe downvotes on all tesla threads recently are abyssmal. God forbid someone mentions vandalising someone's property isn't likely to make them join your cause.
- kerkeslager 2y agoThe fascists aren't trying to get us to join their cause, they're trying to disfranchise us and drive us out of the country. Trying to get them to join our cause would be idiotic--they aren't playing by those rules. Trying to placate fascists is how our milquetoast liberal party got us into this mess in the first place.
- declan_roberts 2y agoI decided to test the hypothesis. I compared quotes for a 2024 Nissan Leaf and 2024 Tesla Model 3. Kept all parameters the same. Nissan Leaf: $94/mo Tesla Model 3: $140/mo
- sadteslaowner 2y agoI have a financed Tesla that hasn't driven enough miles to offset the embodied carbon (we're a one car family who walks wherever we can). I'd love to get rid of it because as I'm mad about Musk and Trump, and I'm really afraid someone will protest while my 2 year old is in the car, putting him at risk. If I sell— and it's a terrible financial decision (laid off in the fall)—I will assuage some of my fears and worries, but I will make the world worse for everyone else (more carbon in the atmosphere).
- thiht 2y agoJust buy one of these "I bought this before we knew Elon was a piece of shit" stickers
- azakai 2y agoWhy would selling cause more carbon in the atmosphere? I suppose it might if you replace with a non-EV, but there are plenty of good EVs.
- sadteslaowner 2y agoNeedlessly replacing a working item is over consumption. An EV has much more embodied carbon compared to an ICE vehicle and needs 20,000 miles to "break even." I'm likely 2 years away from that given our driving habits. You could argue that the next driver will pick up the slack for me, but I can't guarantee that to be the case.
- azakai 2y agoWhile both those points would normally be valid, this is a pretty unique one-time event. The best way to look at it is that cars are getting redistributed: left-leaning people that bought Teslas are trading them to right-leaning people (that's who are buying such cars today). Those right-leaning people are getting fairly good deals from their perspective, and they'll use those cars, same as any traded car. In fact, this is probably going to be a net win for the environment, because for many of those right-leaning people this will be their first electric vehicle, and some of them will continue that habit going forward. This is bringing EVs to a population that was resistant to them until now.
- throw7 2y agoI'm fine with people here who think it's totally fine to set fire to tesla vehicles AS LONG AS they are also fine with Jan 6th.
- sshine 2y agoI’m not.
- morninglight 2y agoInsurance companies use ANY EXCUSE to raise premiums on their customers. Source? Go look at your last bill.
- morninglight 2y agoInsurance companies will use ANY EXCUSE to raise rates on their customers. Source: Go look at your last bill.
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- cavisne 2y agoIt's funny to read these deranged comments as at the same time as the astronauts are returning to Earth the only (non Russian) way possible... with SpaceX.