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As a Canadian, I feel quite exasperated and angry about how you frame this. Sounds very cowardly-American when your country is crumbling beneath you, taking the

by patcon 2y ago

As a Canadian, I feel quite exasperated and angry about how you frame this. Sounds very cowardly-American when your country is crumbling beneath you, taking the world down with it

Jcampuzano2 2y ago
Then you misread my post. I'm not implying be completely apolitical, just that I don't understand the expectation now that everyone has to know and choose a side and be connected to every single tiny issue there is. Its completely astounding that we're now all expected to know and choose a side about every single thing, and if we don't know about it or for a given issue we either don't have enough information to choose a side or are unaware then we're complicit. Exactly how have I harmed someone through owning a Tesla since before Elon's political stunts. And do we really expect everyone who owns one, including people who financed and would almost guaranteed take a loss and screw up their financial wellbeing for potentially years to sell it at the cost of their families financial health?
- patcon 2y ago
  No one else can solve the system of equation for you, but there are likely creative solutions that don't require any large action on your part. Maybe put a sticker on your car to reason with your fellow citizens who expect more of you than you can offer right now? [EDIT: But if you resent even having to think about it (bc it need not cost you money, but things always cost attention), then I don't know what to say to you in this moment.] I'm just glad it's now taboo to own a Tesla. Because in my world view, the poorer Elon Musk gets, the safer we all are in our home democracies.
- boothby 2y ago
  Elon's a general in the culture war being waged by your country, and you're asking why bearing his standard is seen as a political choice. I'd say that your question should be directed at Elon. Likewise, Russian citizens are suffering the consequences of their leader's choices. They didn't vote to go to war, they were born there before the war broke out, but they're paying the price. I'm sure the people of Ukraine would love to live in peace and be left alone, but that choice was taken from them. And so they fight. And since you own a luxury car, you can afford to get rid of it. It might not be a comfortable choice, you might lose some money, but I am confident that your life does not depend on you holding and using that asset. Serviceable used cars go for a couple thousand bucks. Really cool and flashy ones can go for ten.
- spacemadness 2y ago
  I hear you on feeling innocently targeted. Elon wasn’t always this crazy. He’s causing irreparable damage right now, however. You should be pissed at him as well. He’s supporting anti-EV measures directly or indirectly anyway. He’s pissing people off enough to take serious measures against him. He made a nazi salute at the inauguration for fucks sake. A lot of your ire should be toward him. His whole life is dedicated to making “everything political” right now whether you like it or not.
quickslowdown 2y ago
As an American, I 100% agree. This is extremely frustrating. This community has way too many people who are far too comfortable, complaining about how an authoritarian government is making their comfortable lives more difficult. The current government is exhausting. That's the point. It's so frustrating hearing people complain instead of taking action. Things are harder for everyone, a lot of people here have lived too many decades without any real form of struggle and it shows in the things they complain about & how they frame the current reality.
tekknik 2y ago
the country is not crumbling you just have different ideals
- AlecSchueler 2y ago
  Diplomatic relations are definitely crumbling, whether that's your ideal or not.
  - tekknik 2y ago
    why do you think we care about relations with canada, who very much doesn’t stand for our ideals with Trudeau?
    - AlecSchueler 2y ago
      I don't think that, I even said "whether that's your ideal or not." But whether you are worried or you think it's the best thing ever the relations are still crumbling, that's the point I was making. Also just to say you might want to read a newspaper because Trudeau is no longer the prime minister.
chgs 2y ago
Americans have always been selfish. “I’ve got mine so fuck you”. It’s that “rugged individuality” they claim to like.

by patcon 2y ago

As a Canadian, I feel quite exasperated and angry about how you frame this. Sounds very cowardly-American when your country is crumbling beneath you, taking the world down with it

Jcampuzano2 2y ago

Then you misread my post. I'm not implying be completely apolitical, just that I don't understand the expectation now that everyone has to know and choose a side and be connected to every single tiny issue there is. Its completely astounding that we're now all expected to know and choose a side about every single thing, and if we don't know about it or for a given issue we either don't have enough information to choose a side or are unaware then we're complicit. Exactly how have I harmed someone through owning a Tesla since before Elon's political stunts. And do we really expect everyone who owns one, including people who financed and would almost guaranteed take a loss and screw up their financial wellbeing for potentially years to sell it at the cost of their families financial health?

patcon 2y ago
No one else can solve the system of equation for you, but there are likely creative solutions that don't require any large action on your part. Maybe put a sticker on your car to reason with your fellow citizens who expect more of you than you can offer right now? [EDIT: But if you resent even having to think about it (bc it need not cost you money, but things always cost attention), then I don't know what to say to you in this moment.] I'm just glad it's now taboo to own a Tesla. Because in my world view, the poorer Elon Musk gets, the safer we all are in our home democracies.
boothby 2y ago
Elon's a general in the culture war being waged by your country, and you're asking why bearing his standard is seen as a political choice. I'd say that your question should be directed at Elon. Likewise, Russian citizens are suffering the consequences of their leader's choices. They didn't vote to go to war, they were born there before the war broke out, but they're paying the price. I'm sure the people of Ukraine would love to live in peace and be left alone, but that choice was taken from them. And so they fight. And since you own a luxury car, you can afford to get rid of it. It might not be a comfortable choice, you might lose some money, but I am confident that your life does not depend on you holding and using that asset. Serviceable used cars go for a couple thousand bucks. Really cool and flashy ones can go for ten.
spacemadness 2y ago
I hear you on feeling innocently targeted. Elon wasn’t always this crazy. He’s causing irreparable damage right now, however. You should be pissed at him as well. He’s supporting anti-EV measures directly or indirectly anyway. He’s pissing people off enough to take serious measures against him. He made a nazi salute at the inauguration for fucks sake. A lot of your ire should be toward him. His whole life is dedicated to making “everything political” right now whether you like it or not.

quickslowdown 2y ago

As an American, I 100% agree. This is extremely frustrating. This community has way too many people who are far too comfortable, complaining about how an authoritarian government is making their comfortable lives more difficult. The current government is exhausting. That's the point. It's so frustrating hearing people complain instead of taking action. Things are harder for everyone, a lot of people here have lived too many decades without any real form of struggle and it shows in the things they complain about & how they frame the current reality.

tekknik 2y ago

the country is not crumbling you just have different ideals

AlecSchueler 2y ago
Diplomatic relations are definitely crumbling, whether that's your ideal or not.
- tekknik 2y ago
  why do you think we care about relations with canada, who very much doesn’t stand for our ideals with Trudeau?
  - AlecSchueler 2y ago
    I don't think that, I even said "whether that's your ideal or not." But whether you are worried or you think it's the best thing ever the relations are still crumbling, that's the point I was making. Also just to say you might want to read a newspaper because Trudeau is no longer the prime minister.

chgs 2y ago

Americans have always been selfish. “I’ve got mine so fuck you”. It’s that “rugged individuality” they claim to like.