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The apparent lack of any major uproar in the USA is worrying. First they came for the immigrants, and I did not speak out - because I was not an immigr

The apparent lack of any major uproar in the USA is worrying. First they came for the immigrants, and I did not speak out - because I was not an immigrant. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came

Paul-Craft 2y ago
The fact that this submission was flagged until I vouched for it is also worrisome.
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- MegaButts 2y ago
  The majority of political posts, especially those that make it to the front page, are very quickly flagged. It feels much worse lately which makes sense considering the political climate in the US.
  - Paul-Craft 2y ago
    > It feels much worse lately which makes sense considering the political climate in the US. This is the part that concerns me.
    - MegaButts 2y ago
      I'm deeply concerned about it too, but the moderation on this website is pretty hostile towards politics. Only expect major political news (and the debate seems to be what qualifies as major) to be tolerated.
    - edwardjlsh 2y ago
      I think in general this site avoids political news unless it's directly related to tech. While I agree the US politics is mad right now, it doesn't "gratify one's intellectual curiosity". > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
      - curiousgal 2y ago
        An H1B Worker getting deported seems preeeetty relevant to tech for me. Unless we think Tech workers themselves are somehow superior to medicine professors and this could never ever happen to them.
      - Paul-Craft 2y ago
        Not related to tech? Excuse me? I'm assuming you're aware of how many immigrants work in the tech industry, right? Two jobs go, I was on a team of 10 where only 2 of us were actual, natural born Americans. Not every team at the company was like that, but, still, there was definitely a large percentage of non-Americans in the engineering and product org, at least.
        edwardjlsh 2y ago
        What's intellectually stimulating about a professor being deported? I'm not denying it's an issue, it needs to be voiced somewhere, but is a tech forum the place? The rules: > If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
        kccoder 2y ago
        An asteroid hitting the earth would be on the news, should we not cover that here? How about the administration gunning down explicitly non-tech workers? How about the moon turning into cheese? The word "probably" is probably being ignored. It is a novel situation (which is also referenced in the rules) that the government is ignoring court orders, multiple court orders, and it is going to effect the vast majority of people on this forum, eventually.
      - sitkack 2y ago
        That isn't what is happening at all, our MAGA supporting members are brigading any story that puts the limited operation in a bad light.
        AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  - master_crab 2y ago
    She’s an H1B holder. That is very much of importance to the tech industry (at least in the US)
jisnsm 2y ago
Yeah - just wait until they start deporting actual Americans to Lebanon!
- Paul-Craft 2y ago
  You may be joking, but ICE is already detaining naturalized US citizens: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us-citizen-hispanic-detained-ice-questions-vote-trump-rcna195406 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us-citizen-hispanic-deta...
  - jisnsm 2y ago
    That article is more outrage porn than anything else.
    - Paul-Craft 2y ago
      That doesn't sound like a denial that it's actually happening.
      - jisnsm 2y ago
        If you can’t see the difference between deporting someone and stopping them to see if they are the person to be deported what can I tell you.
  - kcplate 2y ago
    If you are traffic stopped by a law enforcement officer for any reason you are “detained”. So in that sense US citizens are detained all the time. Nothing new here about that. They apparently detained him because someone missed a court appearance who has used his address. That might be a more aggressive application of investigation than the prior administration’s policy for handling people that miss their immigration court cases, but it’s not inappropriate for a LEO to show up at your door if you miss a court case in general regardless of your immigration status. “Machado said he was uncuffed and immediately released after showing his driver’s license.” Seems like they treated him appropriately as soon as they verified his identity.
noobermin 2y ago
There are protests actually from looking at twitter. It's just that it doesn't make the news. It's hard to tell, it doesn't look as massive as say the women's march.
- chneu 2y ago
  What even is "the news" anymore? A majority, yes seriously a majority, of people under the age of 40 get their "news" from TikTok and social media. "It doesn't make the news" is kind of meaningless nowadays.
  - mreome 2y ago
    Maybe "It doesn't get promoted by the algorithms" then?
fzeroracer 2y ago
Given the ideological bent of people in favor of these actions, they will bend over backwards to invent a justification that makes this acceptable. CBP and ICE are both feeling fully empowered enough that they can just ignore court orders and not bother following the rule of law which should be considered a critical problem (especially by the people that were supposed to be 'I need guns to protect myself from the government' types) but I think it's increasingly clear the double think on brazen display.
apexalpha 2y ago
'Silence is complicity' as the Americans like to point out.
- yusaythat 2y ago
  Why water down what they actually say? They say "silence is violence", and they ALSO say that speech is violence!
jmclnx 2y ago
Yes, and he was 100% legal. Only proves recism is alive and well in the US

Paul-Craft 2y ago

The fact that this submission was flagged until I vouched for it is also worrisome.

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MegaButts 2y ago
The majority of political posts, especially those that make it to the front page, are very quickly flagged. It feels much worse lately which makes sense considering the political climate in the US.
- Paul-Craft 2y ago
  > It feels much worse lately which makes sense considering the political climate in the US. This is the part that concerns me.
  - MegaButts 2y ago
    I'm deeply concerned about it too, but the moderation on this website is pretty hostile towards politics. Only expect major political news (and the debate seems to be what qualifies as major) to be tolerated.
  - edwardjlsh 2y ago
    I think in general this site avoids political news unless it's directly related to tech. While I agree the US politics is mad right now, it doesn't "gratify one's intellectual curiosity". > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
    - curiousgal 2y ago
      An H1B Worker getting deported seems preeeetty relevant to tech for me. Unless we think Tech workers themselves are somehow superior to medicine professors and this could never ever happen to them.
    - Paul-Craft 2y ago
      Not related to tech? Excuse me? I'm assuming you're aware of how many immigrants work in the tech industry, right? Two jobs go, I was on a team of 10 where only 2 of us were actual, natural born Americans. Not every team at the company was like that, but, still, there was definitely a large percentage of non-Americans in the engineering and product org, at least.
      - edwardjlsh 2y ago
        What's intellectually stimulating about a professor being deported? I'm not denying it's an issue, it needs to be voiced somewhere, but is a tech forum the place? The rules: > If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
        kccoder 2y ago
        An asteroid hitting the earth would be on the news, should we not cover that here? How about the administration gunning down explicitly non-tech workers? How about the moon turning into cheese? The word "probably" is probably being ignored. It is a novel situation (which is also referenced in the rules) that the government is ignoring court orders, multiple court orders, and it is going to effect the vast majority of people on this forum, eventually.
    - sitkack 2y ago
      That isn't what is happening at all, our MAGA supporting members are brigading any story that puts the limited operation in a bad light.
      - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
- master_crab 2y ago
  She’s an H1B holder. That is very much of importance to the tech industry (at least in the US)

jisnsm 2y ago

Yeah - just wait until they start deporting actual Americans to Lebanon!

Paul-Craft 2y ago
You may be joking, but ICE is already detaining naturalized US citizens: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us-citizen-hispanic-detained-ice-questions-vote-trump-rcna195406 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us-citizen-hispanic-deta...
- jisnsm 2y ago
  That article is more outrage porn than anything else.
  - Paul-Craft 2y ago
    That doesn't sound like a denial that it's actually happening.
    - jisnsm 2y ago
      If you can’t see the difference between deporting someone and stopping them to see if they are the person to be deported what can I tell you.
- kcplate 2y ago
  If you are traffic stopped by a law enforcement officer for any reason you are “detained”. So in that sense US citizens are detained all the time. Nothing new here about that. They apparently detained him because someone missed a court appearance who has used his address. That might be a more aggressive application of investigation than the prior administration’s policy for handling people that miss their immigration court cases, but it’s not inappropriate for a LEO to show up at your door if you miss a court case in general regardless of your immigration status. “Machado said he was uncuffed and immediately released after showing his driver’s license.” Seems like they treated him appropriately as soon as they verified his identity.

noobermin 2y ago

There are protests actually from looking at twitter. It's just that it doesn't make the news. It's hard to tell, it doesn't look as massive as say the women's march.

chneu 2y ago
What even is "the news" anymore? A majority, yes seriously a majority, of people under the age of 40 get their "news" from TikTok and social media. "It doesn't make the news" is kind of meaningless nowadays.
- mreome 2y ago
  Maybe "It doesn't get promoted by the algorithms" then?

fzeroracer 2y ago

Given the ideological bent of people in favor of these actions, they will bend over backwards to invent a justification that makes this acceptable. CBP and ICE are both feeling fully empowered enough that they can just ignore court orders and not bother following the rule of law which should be considered a critical problem (especially by the people that were supposed to be 'I need guns to protect myself from the government' types) but I think it's increasingly clear the double think on brazen display.

apexalpha 2y ago

'Silence is complicity' as the Americans like to point out.

yusaythat 2y ago
Why water down what they actually say? They say "silence is violence", and they ALSO say that speech is violence!

jmclnx 2y ago

Yes, and he was 100% legal. Only proves recism is alive and well in the US