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Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

52 points by iancmceachern 2y ago

jmclnx 2y ago
I cannot blame them. It is really too bad. I remember the days were to travel between the US and Canada only required some kind of ID. There were many times I was just waved through, no stopping. Most of the time I was asked for my name and then let through. After 2001 you needed a special ID and now it is a PITA. I wonder how long before an official VISA is needed. So much for the longest unprotected border in the world. That title probably goes to Germany and France, which is quote amazing considering their history.
- YZF 2y ago
  Something must have happened in 2001 I guess. IIRC the additional id requirement was introduced in 2007 (air) and 2009 (land). 1. https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2006/11/new-american-law-require-canadians-carry-passport-travel-air-.html https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2006/11/new-american-l... 2. https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2009/06/are-you-canadian-citizen-planning-travelling-united-states-new-document-requirements-come-into-effect-june-1-get-your-approved-documents-now-.html https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2009/06/are-you-canadi... One should note that the restrictions survived different US and Canadian administrations (there is a reciprocal requirement on Americans entering Canada) so it's not really a partisan issue it would appear. The border is still pretty much unprotected. My position is that Canada and the US should have an open border and an EU-like economic zone but I think the majority of Canadians and Americans don't want that or clearly it's not an important enough issue for them. Overall it's still a reasonably easy border to cross for both compared to most world borders and for many professions TN status also lets people live and work across the border. As a Canadian emotions are running pretty hot these days. I think we should try and keep that under control. Don't get angry over what is essentially a business arrangement. People are still the same people under different administrations for good and bad. If you're feeling angry try and remember someone is trying to get you to be angry.
- bloak 2y ago
  To be fair, the border between France and Germany is only about 400 km and about half of it is protected by a fairly wide river. Europe is generally quite small. There might be some much longer unprotected borders in Africa or South America.
linotype 2y ago
Canada should take up the issue with Trump, not with Americans. I didn’t vote for Trump. I know only a handful of people that did. I highly doubt most of the people attending GDC did. No need to be a fair weather friend, in four years Trump will be gone and normalcy will be restored.
- ahartmetz 2y ago
  I think non-fairweather friends are about them staying with you when you're in trouble. This is you CAUSING them trouble on purpose.
  - linotype 2y ago
    I didn’t vote for Trump.
    - ahartmetz 2y ago
      These Canadians might be fine with you. They aren't fine with the US. Don't take it personally I guess?
    - cwillu 2y ago
      A citizen's obligations to the world does not begin and end with “votes for the right person”.
      - linotype 2y ago
        What else can I do at the national level?
    - yongjik 2y ago
      Trump is threatening their country, and since Canadians cannot vote in the US, there's only one effective way they can drain Trump's power, which is economic warfare. Economic downturn is well correlated with incumbents losing an election. You are asking Canadians to put some random group of Americans' interest in front of their own self-interest. I think the ship has sailed.
healsdata 2y ago
At this point, why would you travel to the US? People with valid visas and green cards are being denied entry, strip searched, detained indefinitely, and denied prescription medicine. The government is ignoring judicial orders regarding immigration and deportation. 1. https://www.luxtimes.lu/luxembourg/us-resident-violently-interrogated-on-way-home-from-luxembourg/49518825.html https://www.luxtimes.lu/luxembourg/us-resident-violently-int... 2. https://www.newsweek.com/rubio-touts-migrants-sent-el-salvador-after-judge-orders-planes-return-2045576 https://www.newsweek.com/rubio-touts-migrants-sent-el-salvad...
- YZF 2y ago
  What percentage of travelers are running into problems? How does that compare to other countries? How does it compare to your probability of being detained where you are anyways? Not to belittle the anecdotal issues but without any baseline or comparison this is meaningless scare mongering. People are denied entry, detained and strip searches in every border all over the world, every day, all the time. If you think staying home is fine you'll find people are arrested at their home, even killed, by law enforcement at their home in many countries all the time. 1. https://news.sky.com/story/man-dies-after-being-arrested-by-border-force-officers-at-manchester-airport-13313661 https://news.sky.com/story/man-dies-after-being-arrested-by-... 2. https://apnews.com/article/germany-arrest-american-spying-china-b4923db9576a90e2dc4ff52365bdf1a4 https://apnews.com/article/germany-arrest-american-spying-ch...
  - healsdata 2y ago
    Your first article immediately says that the government is investigating and other articles point out the man was found carrying cocaine. Your second article points out that someone was arrested on suspicion of a crime and will go on to face a judicial process to establish innocence or guilt. If you think those two cases are comparable to the two I provided, I'm not sure we can have a productive discussion on this matter, especially considered you entirely ignored the second point of my post.
    - YZF 2y ago
goles 2y ago
https://archive.is/WfHFC https://archive.is/WfHFC
drivingmenuts 2y ago
Given that Trump has threatened Canada, why would any Canadian want to come to the US? Even if the threats were just some jacked-up negotiating scheme, their nature was serious enough to warrant some form of protest and not traveling here and spending money is something that can be done without risk.

52 points by iancmceachern 2y ago

I cannot blame them. It is really too bad. I remember the days were to travel between the US and Canada only required some kind of ID. There were many times I was just waved through, no stopping. Most of the time I was asked for my name and then let through. After 2001 you needed a special ID and now it is a PITA. I wonder how long before an official VISA is needed. So much for the longest unprotected border in the world. That title probably goes to Germany and France, which is quote amazing considering their history.

YZF 2y ago
Something must have happened in 2001 I guess. IIRC the additional id requirement was introduced in 2007 (air) and 2009 (land). 1. https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2006/11/new-american-law-require-canadians-carry-passport-travel-air-.html https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2006/11/new-american-l... 2. https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2009/06/are-you-canadian-citizen-planning-travelling-united-states-new-document-requirements-come-into-effect-june-1-get-your-approved-documents-now-.html https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2009/06/are-you-canadi... One should note that the restrictions survived different US and Canadian administrations (there is a reciprocal requirement on Americans entering Canada) so it's not really a partisan issue it would appear. The border is still pretty much unprotected. My position is that Canada and the US should have an open border and an EU-like economic zone but I think the majority of Canadians and Americans don't want that or clearly it's not an important enough issue for them. Overall it's still a reasonably easy border to cross for both compared to most world borders and for many professions TN status also lets people live and work across the border. As a Canadian emotions are running pretty hot these days. I think we should try and keep that under control. Don't get angry over what is essentially a business arrangement. People are still the same people under different administrations for good and bad. If you're feeling angry try and remember someone is trying to get you to be angry.
bloak 2y ago
To be fair, the border between France and Germany is only about 400 km and about half of it is protected by a fairly wide river. Europe is generally quite small. There might be some much longer unprotected borders in Africa or South America.

linotype 2y ago

Canada should take up the issue with Trump, not with Americans. I didn’t vote for Trump. I know only a handful of people that did. I highly doubt most of the people attending GDC did. No need to be a fair weather friend, in four years Trump will be gone and normalcy will be restored.

ahartmetz 2y ago
I think non-fairweather friends are about them staying with you when you're in trouble. This is you CAUSING them trouble on purpose.
- linotype 2y ago
  I didn’t vote for Trump.
  - ahartmetz 2y ago
    These Canadians might be fine with you. They aren't fine with the US. Don't take it personally I guess?
  - cwillu 2y ago
    A citizen's obligations to the world does not begin and end with “votes for the right person”.
    - linotype 2y ago
      What else can I do at the national level?
  - yongjik 2y ago
    Trump is threatening their country, and since Canadians cannot vote in the US, there's only one effective way they can drain Trump's power, which is economic warfare. Economic downturn is well correlated with incumbents losing an election. You are asking Canadians to put some random group of Americans' interest in front of their own self-interest. I think the ship has sailed.

healsdata 2y ago

At this point, why would you travel to the US? People with valid visas and green cards are being denied entry, strip searched, detained indefinitely, and denied prescription medicine. The government is ignoring judicial orders regarding immigration and deportation. 1. https://www.luxtimes.lu/luxembourg/us-resident-violently-interrogated-on-way-home-from-luxembourg/49518825.html https://www.luxtimes.lu/luxembourg/us-resident-violently-int... 2. https://www.newsweek.com/rubio-touts-migrants-sent-el-salvador-after-judge-orders-planes-return-2045576 https://www.newsweek.com/rubio-touts-migrants-sent-el-salvad...

YZF 2y ago
What percentage of travelers are running into problems? How does that compare to other countries? How does it compare to your probability of being detained where you are anyways? Not to belittle the anecdotal issues but without any baseline or comparison this is meaningless scare mongering. People are denied entry, detained and strip searches in every border all over the world, every day, all the time. If you think staying home is fine you'll find people are arrested at their home, even killed, by law enforcement at their home in many countries all the time. 1. https://news.sky.com/story/man-dies-after-being-arrested-by-border-force-officers-at-manchester-airport-13313661 https://news.sky.com/story/man-dies-after-being-arrested-by-... 2. https://apnews.com/article/germany-arrest-american-spying-china-b4923db9576a90e2dc4ff52365bdf1a4 https://apnews.com/article/germany-arrest-american-spying-ch...
- healsdata 2y ago
  Your first article immediately says that the government is investigating and other articles point out the man was found carrying cocaine. Your second article points out that someone was arrested on suspicion of a crime and will go on to face a judicial process to establish innocence or guilt. If you think those two cases are comparable to the two I provided, I'm not sure we can have a productive discussion on this matter, especially considered you entirely ignored the second point of my post.
  - YZF 2y ago

goles 2y ago

https://archive.is/WfHFC https://archive.is/WfHFC

drivingmenuts 2y ago

Given that Trump has threatened Canada, why would any Canadian want to come to the US? Even if the threats were just some jacked-up negotiating scheme, their nature was serious enough to warrant some form of protest and not traveling here and spending money is something that can be done without risk.