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> The DMA designates six tech companies as “gatekeepers” to the internet — Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, ByteDance, Meta, and Microsoft — and limits these technology

by callc 2y ago

> The DMA designates six tech companies as “gatekeepers” to the internet — Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, ByteDance, Meta, and Microsoft — and limits these technology kingpins from engaging in anticompetitive tactics on their platforms, in favor of interoperability. DMA seems like a no-brainer for those that support users’ freedom. Since DMA came into effect almost two years ago, can anyone comment on its effectiveness? Side note, I’m glad the EU takes normal people’s rights seriously. Wish the US was a leader on this too.

nodoll 2y ago
I don't like they are designated as "gatekeepers".
- walterbell 2y ago
  Do you ________ take this immortal corporation ________ to be your lawful internet Gatekeeper?
  - nativeit 2y ago
    I object to this foul, tainted union. The children will have crossed toes and webbed eyes. God expressly forbids this in Romans: “Yea, unto thee I say, no man shall lay with an algorithmically-endowed data sucking Beast With A Billion Bucks as they would with a woman…shit, or with a guy, it’s 2025–evangelicals are off the rails, political leaders are depriving a suffering majority of life saving services while propping up a gilded minority, all manner of unsavory acts are being committed in My name, frankly I think it’s well past time I gave Adam and Steve my official blessing. You do you, as long as it’s all love, go with Me, God” (paraphrasing a bit at the end there) Anyway, what was this originally about? Armageddon?
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  Why? the designation comes with obligations, but Im not aware that it confers any benefits.
- margalabargala 2y ago
  As far as I can tell, it's a descriptor used negatively, not a crowning designation.
- riffraff 2y ago
  The key is to imagine them as Zuul the Gatekeeper from Ghostbusters.
- 14 2y ago
  I have honestly slowly over the years lost my love for the iPhone. Back in the early days they were exciting and you could jailbreak and do lots of fun things not typically possible on a non jailbroken phone. Some of those fun things eventually became features of the stock iPhones but in the end the phone is very locked down and can only do a very small portion of the things it actually could do if not so locked down.
  - walterbell 2y ago
    > Some of those fun things eventually became features of the stock iPhones iOS has since stagnated without the field laboratory of jailbreak innovations. When VMs return to iOS to compete with Android Linux VMs, a new innovation cycle can begin. Concepts proven within the freedom of Linux or macOS VMs can be reimplemented in stock iOS or native iOS apps, for integration with native workflows.
- arlort 2y ago
  They are the ones who allow getting into a walled garden. Short of calling them "gates" gatekeeper seems pretty apt
Nextgrid 2y ago
It's about as effective as the GDPR - which means very strong regulation and penalties on paper, but no actual enforcement of said penalties once you breach it - all bark and no bite. (please, don't reply with that "enforcement tracker" link - a billion is nothing for Facebook and especially not when it's in exchange of 7 years of continuous and blatant breach of the regulation)
- bad_user 2y ago
  That the GDPR is “all bark and no bite” is factually untrue. As an example of a service that was forced to change to get in line with GDPR: Facebook. For user profiling, they first tried to use their Terms of Service, then they tried claiming a legitimate interest, then they tried offering paid subscriptions, and now they are at the point where they somewhat degrade the experience of those refusing to be profiled. I'm not talking about the fines, I'm talking about EU citizens being able to use Facebook while refusing to give their consent for profiling. I'm also talking about the ability to download your data or to delete your data from their servers, which was also the outcome of GDPR. Facebook has also received multiple GDPR-related fines, maybe it's not enough, but it's only going to get worse, as EU regulators are also eyeing them for the spread of election misinformation. Actually, Zuckerberg has been kissing Trump's ring because he's hoping for some protectionism from the US. He said so in his now infamous Joe Rogan podcast episode. And for the DMA — well, Apple now allows alternative browser engines within the EU, as just one example. So I just don't understand why people make this claim. The DPAs may be slow, but that's not a good argument. Law enforcement in general is slow. And the fact is that the GDPR is changing the Internet, which is undeniable.
  - Nextgrid 2y ago
    The GDPR is very clear (despite those who profit from breaching it would like you to believe): consent for non-essential data collection/processing should be strictly opt-in. You can't opt-in by default, you can't use dark patterns to trick people to opt-in, and you can't degrade the experience to coerce people to opt in. Yet by your own comment's admission, Facebook has tried multiple blatant breaches of the regulation, and is still in business and trying their latest iteration of pseudo-compliance, which means whatever enforcement there is, it's clearly not enough. When it comes to the DMA, Apple is currently on track to receive a (very low) fine for not actually complying by still preventing developer from letting users know they can pay for apps/services outside the App Store for cheaper. So clearly the potential penalties and actual enforcement is low enough that Apple is (rightly) calling their bluff.
Tomte 2y ago
As a direct consequence I have two alternative app stores on my iPhone. Something Americans cannot have.
- OccamsMirror 2y ago
  or Australians :(
- AceJohnny2 2y ago
  What are the worthwhile apps apps on the alternative stores?
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - njintje 2y ago
    Fortnite, Fall Guys, Delta (Emulator for Nintendo DS, Gameboy, N64, NES and much more). Torrent clients. QEMU. YouTube Apps with Sponsorblock and Adblock.
    - wqaatwt 2y ago
      > QEMU Isn’t it still crippled and unusable for any non ancient platform unless you have a jailbreak? Seems like you still need to side load AltStore Classic to get the full version.
      - terinjokes 2y ago
        You need to be tethered to enable the JIT, without it UTM is very slow. Even TinyCoreLinux was extremely slow.
        wqaatwt 2y ago
        Yeah, so the EU App Store don’t really solve that since there is still not way(?) to get JIT legitimately.
gunian 2y ago
just other corporations trynna make money no one ever does anything to be good but to make money :)
yupyupyups 2y ago
Apple still indirectly controls what is distributed and charges developers outside their app store money[1]. So it hasn't been effective enough to actually open up the platform for arbitrary apps to be installed. [1] https://developer.apple.com/support/core-technology-fee/ https://developer.apple.com/support/core-technology-fee/
- niemandhier 2y ago
  That is under investigation, and believed to be non compliant with the act: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_3433 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_...
whazor 2y ago
I now have a torrent client on my iPhone.
- Cupprum 2y ago
  I might be wrong, but are you talking about the qBitControl from Altstore Pal? If so, that is not a torrent client, but only an app to control torrents on a different computer. Or did i not understand the app correctly?
erlend_sh 2y ago
https://www.techpolicy.press/assessing-europes-digital-markets-act-one-year-in/ https://www.techpolicy.press/assessing-europes-digital-marke...
oersted 2y ago
Good. They keep making laws intended to control some of the negative impacts of these companies, but they usually have the resources to mostly get around these laws, and they end-up affecting smaller companies in ways that the government didn't intend or consider.
fundatus 2y ago
Apple has been really against this one, but you can now have p*rn apps on your iPhone in the EU. Which I think is great, because why should I be restricted in the use of my own device by the moral code of an American corporation?
- probably_wrong 2y ago
  > why should I be restricted in the use of my own device by the moral code of an American corporation? I would argue that, while it's true that some of your rights are restricted by corporations, others are just there waiting for you to exercise them. Use your freedom, take chances, write the word "porn" in HN without fear. Otherwise there's no point in demanding freedoms that we're too afraid to use.
  - fundatus 2y ago
    Good point, I wasn't sure if writing "porn" would be flagged by some kind of badwords filter, so I didn't bother, but apparently it's no problem over here :-)
    - pjc50 2y ago
      No badwords filter here, just good old fashioned handcrafted moderation by dang and artisinal flagging by individual users. You don't have to resort to weird euphemisms like "unalive".
- briandear 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - michh 2y ago
    I mean, if protesting for the Palestinian cause can get your green card revoked, I don't think America has any moral high ground on the topic of free speech anymore.
    - 2y ago
camillomiller 2y ago
I can indirectly say that, as someone that understands the opposition to sideloading, we are one year in since the DMA took effect and I've seen no incredible massive threat has imperiled the digital lives of iPhone users like Apple claimed it would. Apple would probably say that's because of the measures they've take in implementing the sideloading mandate, but I would rather assume that there are generally less risks that they say there are. Macs are pretty popular with a lot of non-tech-savvy people nowadays, and despite being able to install all you want, there is absolutely no major incredible threat coming from it. I believe it's time for Apple to stop the madness and re-unify iOS globally under a system that works more like macOS.
- filleokus 2y ago
  My "fear" has always been that Meta/Alphabet would slowly but surely migrate their apps over to their own third-party App Store to get past the pesky IDFA limitations[0] and other tracking hurdles. So far nothing seems to indicate that it's happening. The question is if it's due to Apple's "measures" or just because it is not worthwhile for Meta/Alphabet. I think it's a combination of. But if it was as easy to "side-load" an app on iOS as on macOS - per your suggestion, I'm confident Meta would have done the switch in a heartbeat. Just imagine if Apple provided nice API's for auto-updating, essentially no limitations on what binaries can be attested, API's/mechanisms for easy migration between AppStore apps and side loaded ones, no scary screens etc. Essentially implementing the DMA to the fullest extent, really honouring the intent of the law. Why wouldn't all the mega apps just move over? And what consequences would it have? I think it would be awesome to e.g lift the JIT blocking and allow more strange niche things in alternative app stores. But getting all regular people on a wild-west third party app stores for the (ad financed) apps the use every day is just begging for a huge _actual_ loss in privacy. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifier_for_Advertisers#App_Tracking_Transparency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifier_for_Advertisers#App...
  - noirscape 2y ago
    I think it's just not worth it for them; look at Android, where sideloading was always available as an option. Facebook does offer separate APKs on their website (so do, in fact, most major services - Netflix and Spotify also offer APKs from their website), but practically the only reason people end up using them is if they're on a device that doesn't support the Play Store (for whatever reason). The only serious Play Store competitors on Android are either vendor specific (like Amazon's store) or wouldn't host Facebook apps to begin with and are unambiguously a positive force for users due to their standards (F-Droid, whose policies are designed to protect users from the typical mobile app rugpull of filling it with ads down the line). Anything outside of this tends to be independent hobby projects or corporate business apps. The inertia of being the default is still really strong (for a slight alternative, much of Google's strength comes from the fact they paid millions to browsers to be the default search engine for them, a practice that's been found to have violated antitrust laws - it's telling that Google really wanted to keep doing this), which is still enough to keep Facebook attached to the Play Store and is probably why they won't try to leave the App Store either.
DownrightNifty 2y ago
> Since DMA came into effect almost two years ago, can anyone comment on its effectiveness? I'm so glad you asked, because I wrote an entire website about it: https://doesioshavesideloadingyet.com/ https://doesioshavesideloadingyet.com/ Executive summary: Epic Games benefits greatly from the DMA, but powerusers and smaller developers don't get much benefit. This is due to Apple's lackluster compliance measures that are currently being investigated and may be deemed illegal. We might hear another update from the EU rather soon though: https://9to5mac.com/2025/03/10/report-apple-will-be-fined-by-eu-for-alleged-violation-of-dma/ https://9to5mac.com/2025/03/10/report-apple-will-be-fined-by... I really hope that the DMA does not go down in history as a failed experiment, because that will be a huge loss for open platforms as a whole.
- ks2048 2y ago
  iOS has sideloading, if you pay $100/year for a developer account.
  - DownrightNifty 2y ago
    That is listed under "unofficial sideloading methods". A more accurate title would've been "Does iOS support sideloading yet?" but I wanted to keep the domain name as short as possible :) The Apple Developer program is not intended as an option for end users to enable sideloading on their device, even if that is a side effect of joining it. It is only intended to allow developers to briefly test new builds of their own apps in a limited capacity before uploading them to the App Store (or third party stores in the EU). Apps "installed" this way expire after a certain length of time and you must ask Apple's cloud service for a new certificate each time that happens in order to keep using them. You're still tied to Apple indefinitely this way. If your developer account is terminated for whatever reason, or Apple decides to increase the price such that you can no longer afford your account, then suddenly you no longer have sideloading, and you no longer have access to any of the apps you previously sideloaded. Therefore, I lump it into the same category as jailbreaking -- yes, you can argue that the existence of that means iOS already has sideloading, but it's not officially supported. Sidenote: You don't need to spend $100/yr if you want to go the "unofficial sideloading" route; AltStore (Classic) is available for free: https://altstore.io/ https://altstore.io/
thrance 2y ago
Current US leadership only works for the few guys at the very top.
tonyhart7 2y ago
"Wish the US was a leader on this too." lmao you notice something was up right??? because most of this company are US based companies you are crazy to think US would do the same because it is would hampering their economy directly, EU doing this because they want EU counterpart gain benefit
- callc 2y ago
  I am hopeful that governments will do things to benefit the people. Maybe that’s naive, but I’d rather be hopeful than cynical

by callc 2y ago

nodoll 2y ago

I don't like they are designated as "gatekeepers".

walterbell 2y ago
Do you ________ take this immortal corporation ________ to be your lawful internet Gatekeeper?
- nativeit 2y ago
  I object to this foul, tainted union. The children will have crossed toes and webbed eyes. God expressly forbids this in Romans: “Yea, unto thee I say, no man shall lay with an algorithmically-endowed data sucking Beast With A Billion Bucks as they would with a woman…shit, or with a guy, it’s 2025–evangelicals are off the rails, political leaders are depriving a suffering majority of life saving services while propping up a gilded minority, all manner of unsavory acts are being committed in My name, frankly I think it’s well past time I gave Adam and Steve my official blessing. You do you, as long as it’s all love, go with Me, God” (paraphrasing a bit at the end there) Anyway, what was this originally about? Armageddon?
s1artibartfast 2y ago
Why? the designation comes with obligations, but Im not aware that it confers any benefits.
margalabargala 2y ago
As far as I can tell, it's a descriptor used negatively, not a crowning designation.
riffraff 2y ago
The key is to imagine them as Zuul the Gatekeeper from Ghostbusters.
14 2y ago
I have honestly slowly over the years lost my love for the iPhone. Back in the early days they were exciting and you could jailbreak and do lots of fun things not typically possible on a non jailbroken phone. Some of those fun things eventually became features of the stock iPhones but in the end the phone is very locked down and can only do a very small portion of the things it actually could do if not so locked down.
- walterbell 2y ago
  > Some of those fun things eventually became features of the stock iPhones iOS has since stagnated without the field laboratory of jailbreak innovations. When VMs return to iOS to compete with Android Linux VMs, a new innovation cycle can begin. Concepts proven within the freedom of Linux or macOS VMs can be reimplemented in stock iOS or native iOS apps, for integration with native workflows.
arlort 2y ago
They are the ones who allow getting into a walled garden. Short of calling them "gates" gatekeeper seems pretty apt

Nextgrid 2y ago

It's about as effective as the GDPR - which means very strong regulation and penalties on paper, but no actual enforcement of said penalties once you breach it - all bark and no bite. (please, don't reply with that "enforcement tracker" link - a billion is nothing for Facebook and especially not when it's in exchange of 7 years of continuous and blatant breach of the regulation)

bad_user 2y ago
That the GDPR is “all bark and no bite” is factually untrue. As an example of a service that was forced to change to get in line with GDPR: Facebook. For user profiling, they first tried to use their Terms of Service, then they tried claiming a legitimate interest, then they tried offering paid subscriptions, and now they are at the point where they somewhat degrade the experience of those refusing to be profiled. I'm not talking about the fines, I'm talking about EU citizens being able to use Facebook while refusing to give their consent for profiling. I'm also talking about the ability to download your data or to delete your data from their servers, which was also the outcome of GDPR. Facebook has also received multiple GDPR-related fines, maybe it's not enough, but it's only going to get worse, as EU regulators are also eyeing them for the spread of election misinformation. Actually, Zuckerberg has been kissing Trump's ring because he's hoping for some protectionism from the US. He said so in his now infamous Joe Rogan podcast episode. And for the DMA — well, Apple now allows alternative browser engines within the EU, as just one example. So I just don't understand why people make this claim. The DPAs may be slow, but that's not a good argument. Law enforcement in general is slow. And the fact is that the GDPR is changing the Internet, which is undeniable.
- Nextgrid 2y ago
  The GDPR is very clear (despite those who profit from breaching it would like you to believe): consent for non-essential data collection/processing should be strictly opt-in. You can't opt-in by default, you can't use dark patterns to trick people to opt-in, and you can't degrade the experience to coerce people to opt in. Yet by your own comment's admission, Facebook has tried multiple blatant breaches of the regulation, and is still in business and trying their latest iteration of pseudo-compliance, which means whatever enforcement there is, it's clearly not enough. When it comes to the DMA, Apple is currently on track to receive a (very low) fine for not actually complying by still preventing developer from letting users know they can pay for apps/services outside the App Store for cheaper. So clearly the potential penalties and actual enforcement is low enough that Apple is (rightly) calling their bluff.

Tomte 2y ago

As a direct consequence I have two alternative app stores on my iPhone. Something Americans cannot have.

OccamsMirror 2y ago
or Australians :(
AceJohnny2 2y ago
What are the worthwhile apps apps on the alternative stores?
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- njintje 2y ago
  Fortnite, Fall Guys, Delta (Emulator for Nintendo DS, Gameboy, N64, NES and much more). Torrent clients. QEMU. YouTube Apps with Sponsorblock and Adblock.
  - wqaatwt 2y ago
    > QEMU Isn’t it still crippled and unusable for any non ancient platform unless you have a jailbreak? Seems like you still need to side load AltStore Classic to get the full version.
    - terinjokes 2y ago
      You need to be tethered to enable the JIT, without it UTM is very slow. Even TinyCoreLinux was extremely slow.
      - wqaatwt 2y ago
        Yeah, so the EU App Store don’t really solve that since there is still not way(?) to get JIT legitimately.

gunian 2y ago

just other corporations trynna make money no one ever does anything to be good but to make money :)

yupyupyups 2y ago

Apple still indirectly controls what is distributed and charges developers outside their app store money[1]. So it hasn't been effective enough to actually open up the platform for arbitrary apps to be installed. [1] https://developer.apple.com/support/core-technology-fee/ https://developer.apple.com/support/core-technology-fee/

niemandhier 2y ago
That is under investigation, and believed to be non compliant with the act: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_3433 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_...

whazor 2y ago

I now have a torrent client on my iPhone.

Cupprum 2y ago
I might be wrong, but are you talking about the qBitControl from Altstore Pal? If so, that is not a torrent client, but only an app to control torrents on a different computer. Or did i not understand the app correctly?

erlend_sh 2y ago

https://www.techpolicy.press/assessing-europes-digital-markets-act-one-year-in/ https://www.techpolicy.press/assessing-europes-digital-marke...

oersted 2y ago

Good. They keep making laws intended to control some of the negative impacts of these companies, but they usually have the resources to mostly get around these laws, and they end-up affecting smaller companies in ways that the government didn't intend or consider.

fundatus 2y ago

Apple has been really against this one, but you can now have p*rn apps on your iPhone in the EU. Which I think is great, because why should I be restricted in the use of my own device by the moral code of an American corporation?

probably_wrong 2y ago
> why should I be restricted in the use of my own device by the moral code of an American corporation? I would argue that, while it's true that some of your rights are restricted by corporations, others are just there waiting for you to exercise them. Use your freedom, take chances, write the word "porn" in HN without fear. Otherwise there's no point in demanding freedoms that we're too afraid to use.
- fundatus 2y ago
  Good point, I wasn't sure if writing "porn" would be flagged by some kind of badwords filter, so I didn't bother, but apparently it's no problem over here :-)
  - pjc50 2y ago
    No badwords filter here, just good old fashioned handcrafted moderation by dang and artisinal flagging by individual users. You don't have to resort to weird euphemisms like "unalive".
briandear 2y ago
[flagged]
- michh 2y ago
  I mean, if protesting for the Palestinian cause can get your green card revoked, I don't think America has any moral high ground on the topic of free speech anymore.
  - 2y ago

camillomiller 2y ago

I can indirectly say that, as someone that understands the opposition to sideloading, we are one year in since the DMA took effect and I've seen no incredible massive threat has imperiled the digital lives of iPhone users like Apple claimed it would. Apple would probably say that's because of the measures they've take in implementing the sideloading mandate, but I would rather assume that there are generally less risks that they say there are. Macs are pretty popular with a lot of non-tech-savvy people nowadays, and despite being able to install all you want, there is absolutely no major incredible threat coming from it. I believe it's time for Apple to stop the madness and re-unify iOS globally under a system that works more like macOS.

filleokus 2y ago
My "fear" has always been that Meta/Alphabet would slowly but surely migrate their apps over to their own third-party App Store to get past the pesky IDFA limitations[0] and other tracking hurdles. So far nothing seems to indicate that it's happening. The question is if it's due to Apple's "measures" or just because it is not worthwhile for Meta/Alphabet. I think it's a combination of. But if it was as easy to "side-load" an app on iOS as on macOS - per your suggestion, I'm confident Meta would have done the switch in a heartbeat. Just imagine if Apple provided nice API's for auto-updating, essentially no limitations on what binaries can be attested, API's/mechanisms for easy migration between AppStore apps and side loaded ones, no scary screens etc. Essentially implementing the DMA to the fullest extent, really honouring the intent of the law. Why wouldn't all the mega apps just move over? And what consequences would it have? I think it would be awesome to e.g lift the JIT blocking and allow more strange niche things in alternative app stores. But getting all regular people on a wild-west third party app stores for the (ad financed) apps the use every day is just begging for a huge _actual_ loss in privacy. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifier_for_Advertisers#App_Tracking_Transparency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifier_for_Advertisers#App...
- noirscape 2y ago
  I think it's just not worth it for them; look at Android, where sideloading was always available as an option. Facebook does offer separate APKs on their website (so do, in fact, most major services - Netflix and Spotify also offer APKs from their website), but practically the only reason people end up using them is if they're on a device that doesn't support the Play Store (for whatever reason). The only serious Play Store competitors on Android are either vendor specific (like Amazon's store) or wouldn't host Facebook apps to begin with and are unambiguously a positive force for users due to their standards (F-Droid, whose policies are designed to protect users from the typical mobile app rugpull of filling it with ads down the line). Anything outside of this tends to be independent hobby projects or corporate business apps. The inertia of being the default is still really strong (for a slight alternative, much of Google's strength comes from the fact they paid millions to browsers to be the default search engine for them, a practice that's been found to have violated antitrust laws - it's telling that Google really wanted to keep doing this), which is still enough to keep Facebook attached to the Play Store and is probably why they won't try to leave the App Store either.

DownrightNifty 2y ago

> Since DMA came into effect almost two years ago, can anyone comment on its effectiveness? I'm so glad you asked, because I wrote an entire website about it: https://doesioshavesideloadingyet.com/ https://doesioshavesideloadingyet.com/ Executive summary: Epic Games benefits greatly from the DMA, but powerusers and smaller developers don't get much benefit. This is due to Apple's lackluster compliance measures that are currently being investigated and may be deemed illegal. We might hear another update from the EU rather soon though: https://9to5mac.com/2025/03/10/report-apple-will-be-fined-by-eu-for-alleged-violation-of-dma/ https://9to5mac.com/2025/03/10/report-apple-will-be-fined-by... I really hope that the DMA does not go down in history as a failed experiment, because that will be a huge loss for open platforms as a whole.

ks2048 2y ago
iOS has sideloading, if you pay $100/year for a developer account.
- DownrightNifty 2y ago
  That is listed under "unofficial sideloading methods". A more accurate title would've been "Does iOS support sideloading yet?" but I wanted to keep the domain name as short as possible :) The Apple Developer program is not intended as an option for end users to enable sideloading on their device, even if that is a side effect of joining it. It is only intended to allow developers to briefly test new builds of their own apps in a limited capacity before uploading them to the App Store (or third party stores in the EU). Apps "installed" this way expire after a certain length of time and you must ask Apple's cloud service for a new certificate each time that happens in order to keep using them. You're still tied to Apple indefinitely this way. If your developer account is terminated for whatever reason, or Apple decides to increase the price such that you can no longer afford your account, then suddenly you no longer have sideloading, and you no longer have access to any of the apps you previously sideloaded. Therefore, I lump it into the same category as jailbreaking -- yes, you can argue that the existence of that means iOS already has sideloading, but it's not officially supported. Sidenote: You don't need to spend $100/yr if you want to go the "unofficial sideloading" route; AltStore (Classic) is available for free: https://altstore.io/ https://altstore.io/

thrance 2y ago

Current US leadership only works for the few guys at the very top.

tonyhart7 2y ago

"Wish the US was a leader on this too." lmao you notice something was up right??? because most of this company are US based companies you are crazy to think US would do the same because it is would hampering their economy directly, EU doing this because they want EU counterpart gain benefit

callc 2y ago
I am hopeful that governments will do things to benefit the people. Maybe that’s naive, but I’d rather be hopeful than cynical