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Go European: Discover European products and services
- SideburnsOfDoom 2y agoSee also https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/ https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/
- olivier-tille 2y agoSimilar project: https://european-alternatives.eu https://european-alternatives.eu
- hans_castorp 2y agoAnd: https://www.buy-european-made.eu/ https://www.buy-european-made.eu/
- Kkoala 2y agoThis is same as https://www.goeuropean.org/ https://www.goeuropean.org/ > Why did you change your name from Buy European Made to Go European? > We changed our name to better reflect our evolving mission and values. "Go European" encompasses a broader range of initiatives and activities that support European culture, tourism, and services, beyond just promoting European-made products.
- hans_castorp 2y agoAh, thanks. I wasn't aware of that.
- ashenke 2y agoThis redirects to the submission link!
- AntiqueFig 2y agoAlso see this project for web services alternatives: https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/ https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/
- mertbio 2y agoIf you are advocating for European products, I would expect you to use Plausible or similar products instead of Google Analytics. This would allow you to avoid displaying the cookie banner.
- robin_reala 2y agoOnly if you’re not using cookies for anything else.
- holowoodman 2y agoWrong. Functionally necessary cookies like login or shopping cart cookies need no banners.
- dvh 2y ago$ wget -qO - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32016R0679 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELE... | pdftotext - - | grep -i banner | wc -l 0
- pjc50 2y agoThat says nothing useful. The legislation refuses to be specific and you have to know what all the relevant ICO decisions are, which is why compliance is so frustratingly vague.
- SSLy 2y agoyou can just not track the users, that might be easier.
- hyperbrainer 2y agoYou really think law would be such a highly sought-after and highly-compensated field if it was that easy?
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 2y ago[flagged]
- piva00 2y agoNo, it just didn't load for you. The snark is boring.
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 2y ago[flagged]
- musha68k 2y agoNice, and this doesn't even include non-EU offerings like Switzerland's Exoscale, Proton, etc.
- Geenkaas 2y agoThis is such a shame, we should be looking to source and produce things globally and find better ways to improve the logistics and efficiency world-wide. Why would the EU take such a protective stance which only enforces isolation and increases cost? Edit: Thanks for the responses, I am still looking for a signal that tells my post is sarcasm multiplied by cynicism.
- rapsey 2y agoThis only makes sense in a simplified world of academic economics.
- franze 2y agoBecause we do not want to support the Trump administration and the only way we can vote is with our wallets.
- CER10TY 2y agoThat doesn't really work as long as you have legislation like the CLOUD Act, which means EU-based businesses have to think twice about using any US providers, especially if they handle sensitive customer data and also since the DPF is on the way out.
- junto 2y agoOnly because the US refuses to properly protect consumer privacy and seemingly can no longer be trusted at all. If Trump forces Microsoft to turn off Office 365 for example for the EU, or blocks AWS, GCP or Azure from doing business with the EU then European businesses are screwed. We’ve now realized these risks are potentially real and European countries are scrambling to look for alternatives (and realizing that they don’t really exist).
- CER10TY 2y agoConsidering the PCLOB has lost some of its members, it's questionable whether the DPF can continue to exist in its current form. If it does go out the window, then Trump won't need to tell AWS/GCP to stop doing business with the EU, since European companies wouldn't legally be allowed to transfer data to US companies anyway. I expect the EU commission will take a _very_ long time to actually act on this tho. Maybe we'll see Schrems III first.
- dtquad 2y agoLove it. For digital products and services there is also European Alternatives: https://european-alternatives.eu/ https://european-alternatives.eu/ As part of the European reorientation I avoid products and services from Hungary and Slovakia. I also avoid one specific Swedish company, Spotify, for promoting and funding the misinformation spewing American podcastbros who were partially responsible for the rise of Trump 2.0.
- johmue 2y agoGreat, but please give me a link to the entry so I can go to it
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- bigfudge 2y agoFirst, taking you at face value: it's not clear we did that yet. Second, this is ridiculous. Trusting an until-this-point-mostly-trustworthy ally is not spineless (although I guess it might be naive).
- t43562 2y agoIt is weak to not recognise the change that has happened. It has been telegraphed for many years. What has happened in the US could happen to us and we must prevent that while we hope that more sensible people eventually prevail there.
- tmikaeld 2y agoAll modern business is built on trust, since Americans are keen on throwing that out the door now, every EU business is going to re-evaluate who to trust. Which means, no longer trusting American.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoWhat is trust to you? It looks a lot like Europe is getting upset that American taxpayers do not want to waste money on a conflict that is going nowhere, that is not America’s concern.
- mbs159 2y ago> American taxpayers do not want to waste money on a conflict that is going nowhere, that is not America’s concern. By wasting money you mean selling weapons and giving away old military equipment that it more expensive to destroy than to ship away? Also, the conflict is in America's concern since the United States has pledged to guarantee Ukraine's security in the Budapest Memorandum of 1994. A pledge is a pledge, no matter if you like it or not.
- AntiqueFig 2y agoAlso see this project for web services alternatives: https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/ https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/
- sanxiyn 2y agoGo Scaleway! I always wanted to root for it.
- tuetuopay 2y agoAnd yet the website is hosted on AWS :') Quite telling, this would be an ideal case for Scaleway/OVH/anyone else.
- thinkindie 2y agoi actually didn't realise Scaleway is a real European alternative to AWS/GCP/Azure. They seems to be covering the most common use case for AWS managed services.
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- vanrohan 2y agoGreat to see a directory like this starting to include physical products. I'd be interested in having some extra datapoints to help with decision making: - How much of the product/company's supply chain is in EU (to get an idea of just how European the product is, is it made here or abroad) - Some way to show if the company is paying "fair" tax in EU (or are profits shifted abroad) These are difficult datapoints to get, but I wonder if there can be some sort of "community notes" where this data can be crowd sourced and updated on the directory.
- Lio 2y agoIt might be worth noting that this is not specific to the EU, it's the whole of Europe. So for example it includes companies from Norway, Switerzland and the UK. So asking how much tax is paid or how much supply chain is in the EU doesn't necissarily make sense here.
- vanrohan 2y agoIm not particularly fussy if it's EU or European. The idea is more to get insight if it's just a dropshipper/reseller type of business, or involved in regional manufacturing.
- freehorse 2y agoSubstitute EU with EU+norway/switzerland/UK/etc The idea is whether the company has some loophole where the profits are registered in some offshore island in order to avoid taxes, as well as how big part of the product is actually made in europe as opposed as in X non-european country. I have seen a lot of products advertised as being products of the native country when they are actually rebranded chinese products or whatever (I have no issue with chinese products, but if the point is to know which products are european products this is important information).
- kergonath 2y agoIn this case, "in the EU" is a shorthand for "in the single market", "in the customs union", or "in the EEA (plus Switzerland)". High-level discussions rarely go down to this level of detail, and from the point of view of the consumers it is not very relevant. What matters is coupling with the US or China, and the relevant regulations.
- albertgoeswoof 2y agoThank you for including the UK, we are still part of Europe! Added my company (https://mailpace.com https://mailpace.com) - I’m looking forward to a resurgence of innovation in European tech companies, the talent and education here is amazing, we just need to improve our investment and start treating tech with as much respect as we give to law, finance and other “prestigious” career paths here
- Separo 2y ago> Thank you for including the UK, we are still part of Europe! Always. hug
- microtonal 2y agoI know that it's not in the cards (yet), but I hope the UK and the EU can be a single market again (even if the UK does not rejoin the EU). Let's make our market as large and attractive as possible! We love the UK and you are part of the European family :hugs:.
- ChocolateGod 2y agoWhilst a good idea, no politician is going to try and do it under the fear of reigniting the Brexit argument which ends up dominating politics in the country.
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- h1fra 2y agoI'm always sad that very successful European companies got fully incorporated in the US: datadog, algolia, dataiku, dashlane, etc. Also it seems to be missing some techs company: pigment, aircall, contentsquare (but not sure if it's a mistake)
- FirmwareBurner 2y agoAmerica loves investing in risky ventures, and startups love money so they go to fish where the fish are. If Europe would invest into local startups instead of propping up the real estate bubble, they wouldn't sell themselves to the US for money. Our downfall is by our own design here. Governments don't create startups but they can 100% create the right legal, monetary and tax incentives to steer private capital and workers towards them, but as long as they are steered towards protecting the interests of gentrified land owners and those of 100-year-old companies, nothing will ever change and we'll just stare at how US and Chinese companies are overtaking us.
- kbcool 2y agoOr America's advantage is by its own design. Rich people can invest relatively small amounts in hundreds, if not thousands of startups through preferentially treated retirement funds and pay no (or little) tax on the ones that make it big. This is what has made it so easy to secure funding in the US. Should Europe do the same? There's definitely an ethical dilemma in making the rich, richer for the sake of innovation.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago>There's definitely an ethical dilemma in making the rich, richer for the sake of innovation. What do you mean? The European rich have always been getting richer via inheritance regardless of innovation. That's a monetary and legal policy hack that's been in place for decades/centuries here which is how the richest families are centuries old. Investing in innovation instead would be a much needed breath of fresh air and give current generation of youth some skin in the game instead of a defetist mentality that there's no point in working hard because the zero sum game is rigged. So I don't get your point.
- zppln 2y agoWhile I do find it an interesting exercise to reflect over my own choices of products and services and consider how I could divest myself from relying on ones provided by US companies (and I do agree Europe is too reliant on the US in some regards), it is a bit sad to see how quickly things are spiraling here. People really love to have a clear enemy...
- Yeul 2y agoIf you walk into a European supermarket, fashion store or MediaMarkt there is very little coming from the US. The giant container ships are coming from the East not the West.
- FirmwareBurner 2y agoThe chips and software in a lot of those products are coming from the US, even if the final products are manufactured in the East. The US makes the biggest margins from valuable IP and software services, not from mass produced widgets coming in shipping containers.
- BlackFly 2y agoChips made with Dutch chip fabrication technology to English chip designs... The software situation is grim but maybe open source somewhat ameliorates that...
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago>Chips made with Dutch chip fabrication technology Using american EUV light sources....this train of who makes what in the supply chain can go on forever, the point is who's making the highest margins from the end product and it's not ASML nor ARM but Nvidia, AMD, Qualcomm, Microsoft, Apple, Google, etc. Hence my point that while EU has some IP, its value is dwarfed by the IP the US makes. Just look at market cap of US vs European tech sector. It's not even a competition. ASML can't offset that. I think Apple has enough cash in the bank to buy ASML if they wanted to.
- Separo 2y agoSwitzerland and the UK will always be honorary Europeans. {hug emoji}
- 0xTJ 2y agoIn Canada, there's a big push for buying Canadian given the Trump trade war, and especially avoiding products from the US. A kitchen store I went into over the weekend had little red maple leaf stamps on the price tags of Canadian products and the provincial liquor store in Ontario has pulled US products from shelves (though that's more of a marketing stunt by the populist Premier). Many Canadian-owned businesses have added logos at the top of their webpages (I noticed Canada Computers and Memory Express over the last few days, as I was browsing for graphics cards).
- 9rx 2y agoThere is some push, but still quite a bit of reluctance to see free trade between provinces.
- kharak 2y agoDid similar movements had a measurable impact? Asking because I have the impression that boycott movements are ineffective, but I never verified that.
- microtonal 2y agoTalk to Tesla and ask how they are doing in the EU and Canada :).
- coffeebeqn 2y agoI suppose a big ticket item like a car is much easier to boycott than 50 small items from the grocery where trying to search through the ownership tree for every conglomerate would use up the rest of my sanity
- microtonal 2y agoThe good news (at least for the EU, don't know about non-EU European countries) is that groceries are only a blip on the radar when it comes to imports (of course, energy is used for groceries, but that applies both to European and US products) [1]: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:EU_most_imported_goods_from_the_United_States,_2023.png https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... We do 'import' a lot of services from the US: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=International_trade_in_services_by_partner https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... [1] Of course, there are US conglomerates that produce in the Europe. But a good chunk (at least here) is Unilever, Nestle, etc., which are all European.
- throaway1989 2y agoLooking at labels is hardly a test of your sanity. In Canada right now a majority of the population is regularly checking and avoiding anything made in the USA.
- hazzamanic 2y agoI was recently in Malaysia and they've boycotted certain American brands over the Israel-Palestine war. For example, KFC has given up and was shutdown everywhere. So boycotts can work. Maccas seemed to be doing just fine though, take from that what you will
- mentalgear 2y agoThere's also a browser extension: https://codeberg.org/K-Robin/GoEuropean https://codeberg.org/K-Robin/GoEuropean (btw: codeberg is the European alternative to Github)
- jeroenhd 2y agoSuch a shame to see Gitlab go for gold in America rather than staying with its European basis. While Codeberg is absolutely fine in itself, I think Gitlab is a much better offering for many companies.
- NalNezumi 2y agoToday I learned that DeepL was German. It's hands down the best Japanese to English translator (according to my Japanese coworkers) and I was surprised how many used it in office. (never used it myself as a trilingual)
- briandear 2y agoI like DeepL, but without Catalan, it has less value.
- eliaskg 2y agoDeepl is amazing as it is way faster in translating than LLMs
- generalizations 2y agoHow does it compare to 4o? I used to use deepl but not since the later chatgpt versions came out.
- yurishimo 2y agoWhat I like about DeepL is that it tries to translate colloquially. For popular metaphors or sayings, Google does okay but it’s not perfect, especially if you don’t provide the entire sentence as context. DeepL does better with recognizing fragments imo.
- amai 2y agohttps://www.deepl.com/write https://www.deepl.com/write is also better in improving the style of your texts than chatGPT and other genAIs
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- nraynaud 2y agoyou know that the EU produce more steel and Aluminium than the US, and that its industrial output/GDP is a bit higher than the US, right?
- Hikikomori 2y agoNo we don't have a megacorp like Amazon, why would we want one? You think we cant buy things online without them?
- ChainHacker 2y agoFor anything time critical Amazon Prime is a godsend. 1) Anything PC related I can get shipped to me tomorrow. There is one local computer store and they just repair laptops and phones with absolute rip off prices (£70 for a HDMI cable). Before Amazon it took days to get an order shipped from one of the big PC suppliers in the UK, Payment used to an absolute PITA frequently card gets rejected on dubious grounds. I've had a PSUs die before, I can get one shipped to me tomorrow. 2) I am working on an old car at the moment as a hobby. Working on old vehicles you will find many small bodges or you won't realise until 50% of the way into it you need a replacement part. Almost everyone uses the postal service and the delivery time is 3-5 days or they charge you £15 for next day delivery (which is often more than the price of the part). So any job can be stopped by a missing part and I have to wait 3 days to get a replacement part or be ripped off. I have literally no alternative than to use these suppliers much of the time and it is a major source of frustration because it will take me an extra week to do a job. That is the USP of Amazon Prime.
- Hikikomori 2y agoI have several options within walking distance that sells HDMI cables for same price as Amazon, and I can trust that they sell a cable that works according to spec. Amazon uses a 3rd party to deliver here, and their short delivery times is really only available in larger cities if the item is in that particular warehouse. Since they use 3rd party to deliver I can buy from other stores and also have next day delivery, not like delivery times were bad before though. Have several package locker services available as well, next day delivery is common but depends on how far it has to travel. Can Amazon be better for some niche stuff? Probably, but its unlikely to be in the warehouse close to me anyway. I'd rather wait an extra day than exfiltrate barely taxed money to the US if I can help it.
- dartharva 2y agoToting Adidas, Puma, Jack & Jones, Decathlon etc. as "European-meade" is laughable when everyone knows their clothes are actually manufactured in third-world low-labor-protection countries. Heck, I can make a safe bet that the vast majority of the companies listed here sell items at least partially made outside of Europe.
- FeepingCreature 2y agoTbf that goes for American-made too. The goal of this isn't to fix the supply chain, it's to reduce dependency on the USA.
- alaeddine-13 2y agoI think the most critical missing piece is GPUs right now. As AI becomes more and more crucial, GPU/AI hardware design and manufacturing will become a matter of sovereignty and unfortunately, can't find any EU alternative
- coffeebeqn 2y agoIf we want to get really protectionist, ASML could stop selling outside of the EU. That would be kind of bad for everyone though
- perihelions 2y ago- "We are a group of individuals from across Europe who connected via the subreddit r/BuyfromEU." Then, why do you promote a list of European Reddit "alternatives" such as "Lemmy", you say people are supposed to use instead? This is the laziest form of internet activism there is: lecture people what you believe they're supposed to be doing in ways you don't yourself do, and can't be inconvenienced to try. (Bonus points for building this boycott website on top of Amazon Cloudfront, Cloudflare, and Google Analytics).
- Hikikomori 2y agoThey can be on both? Lots of users on reddit to reach.
- kergonath 2y agoNobody seriously claims that Europe should be self-sufficient in everything and isolated from the rest of the world. It’s ok to simultaneously 1) try to make things better, and 2) still talk to Americans or use American products (same for China). Discussing alternatives does not imply burning bridges. I am just going to leave this here: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-somewhat https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-som...
- ekianjo 2y agothere's absolutely no European alternative to Amazon. Thanks for clearing that up.
- dismalpedigree 2y agoNo top level domain alternatives? Org, com, net, gov, mil are US TLDs.
- jeroenhd 2y agoThere are plenty of national TLDs, but internationally the English language ones are more common. gov and mil aren't available to non-American institutions anyway, and .edu locked down to American-only around 2001. Perhaps this website could've gone with .eu, but this movement is larger than just the EU. I don't think TLDs matter much at the moment, at least not until America's trade war starts affecting TLDs as well.
- paganel 2y agoIs there any European alternative for Hacker News? And if yes, what's its URL/web address? Preferable in French or Italian, or maybe even German, which I wanted to learn for a long time and this would be a good enough motivation, because, and with all due respect to the Irish, having a continent-wide conversation in a language natively spoken by only ~5 million of its own people is not very conductive to the forming of an European spirit.
- jgilias 2y agoPlease no. It's good that tech conversations are global. I wish there were more Chinese and Russians on here, not less. And this comes from someone who's very critical of the current US admin, and lives in the Baltics. Also, please no regarding the language. Coming from a small country, it's great that we have a lingua-franca that we can use to communicate effectively. Doubling-down on going native when it comes to our respective languages won't help the single market, or European integration in general. EDIT: Won't help our militaries either if and when they'll need to coordinate.
- cpach 2y agoI have lots of tech conversations in my native tongue. But they don’t happen on webforums, they happen in (semi-private) chat rooms.
- Toutouxc 2y ago> having a continent-wide conversation in a language natively spoken by only ~5 million of its own people Did something happen to the UK?
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- batrat 2y ago(Rant sorry) While i'm from EU and I support the movement, after I looked over some numbers it is hard to ditch something like Amazon. 1st thing for me are the prices and monthly I can save at least 100 Euros just from shopping on deals. Second Amazon employs 150k people across EU and this is not a low number (how about them?). Yes we need alternatives but the rich EU guys also have to invest some. Sometimes I feel that average Joe needs to support the "movement" while rich just mid their own business. Same goes also with local producers: "support local farmers!". ME: "but the price difference is almost double form Kaufland/Lidl/Carrefour/etc for the same thing!" Sorry, I'm not in a position to just spend more just because...
- guerrilla 2y agoYour arguments ignore externalities. You aren't saving 100 EUR. You pay for it in many other ways. There's no such thing as free lunch, as the saying goes. They're just hijacking your short-term thinking.
- onli 2y agoHe isn't saving 100€ at all if Amazon's prices are higher than the competition, which is almost always true for every product I ever checked during the last five years, at least.
- jeroenhd 2y agoPrices vary wildly across Europe. Countries like Serbia have absolutely insane prices for basic products that are two thirds or half the cost across the border, sold by the same companies. As much as Europe wants to be a single market sometimes, every country has different cultures and different economic situations. Where I live Amazon is never the cheapest option (and almost never the fastest to deliver), but 20km to the east of me it's a valid competitor to many online storefronts.
- kbcool 2y agoWe must be buying different things if you think Amazon is cheap in the EU. I find almost everything can be had cheaper elsewhere these days, except the Chinese junk like you find on Temu, the enshitification has well and truly sunk in. I always paste products I find right back into Google and more often than not find them cheaper elsewhere
- schnitzelstoat 2y agoEconomic nationalism is bad when Trump does it and bad when Europe does it too. We should have unilateral free trade. Ricardo showed this was better over 200 years ago.
- torlok 2y agoEurope is not a nation, and the boycott is against a single country acting like an adversary. Europeans aren't boycotting Xiaomi or Huawei.
- schnitzelstoat 2y agoThere are EU-wide tariffs though. Like those against Chinese EVs: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_5589 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_...
- fcatalan 2y agoI think some Game Theory 101 might be relevant here. Yes it's good to cooperate initially but after that, tit for tat is the thing to do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat
- jeroenhd 2y agoIt's a classic prisoner's dilemma. We'd all be better off if nobody started any trade wars, but the moment one party starts becoming hostile, everyone else must respond in kind or they'll be taken advantage of. I hoped Americans had stopped being stupid and elected better leaders, but Trump's re-election shows that America and its people do not care about being reliable business partners. Ridding ourselves of American dependence will take decades, but with at least four more years of this bullshit ahead of us, we'd better get started soon.
- schnitzelstoat 2y agoBut Ricardo determined the opposite. That unilateral free trade is better even in the face of tariffs. In the end, it's their own consumers that pay the tariffs. If Trump wants to make Americans poorer then so be it, but we shouldn't follow suit.
- nonrandomstring 2y agoBreakups are painful. A great battle is afoot on the "data sovereignty" ground, for sure. It's over a year since I spoke at Cloud Native Media [0] on the urgent need to extricate sensitive processes and data from US American companies. At the time there were a few angry reactions - mainly from people accepting the risks for the first time and acknowledging how deeply enmeshed/dependent their operations are. Most of the assembled creators, CEOs, journalists, fully understood and were enthusiastic about relocating away from US BigTech. It's March 2025 and the US has gone full-fascism. AFAICS, all of US BigTech (bar some tepid resistance from Apple) has fully aligned with an agenda that is unconscionable to liberal democracy. Yet we still have problems like UK government departments that are running on Microsoft Teams or casually using Google docs in ways that seem wholly inappropriate to security and safety of data and users. Where I'm working on sensitive projects I find myself repeatedly having to point out that we urgently need independent end-to-end encrypted video chat and collaboration tools. For email I've started removing some @gmail recipients in CC where they are not strictly NTK. [0] https://cybershow.uk/blog/posts/cloud-native-talk/ https://cybershow.uk/blog/posts/cloud-native-talk/
- dumbledoren 2y ago> It's March 2025 and the US has gone full-fascism. It's amazing to see people say things like this as if the US was any different before. Trump just put an honest face on fascism and imperialism. Before, they were exercised in a 'polite', polished manner. Even by Obama who stomped down the Occupy Wall Street.
- krapp 2y agoYes, it was different before. The status quo may have been fascistic and certainly imperialist but still would have been far more preferable to what's coming.
- dumbledoren 2y agoSo you prefer the pretense of civility to the honesty of reality. Occupy protesters who got curbstomped on the ground by police would disagree.
- tdrz 2y agoI'm looking for a European alternative to Visa/Mastercard that works across countries, not just in one country. I know there's this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Payments_Initiative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Payments_Initiative but I believe it's not operational atm.
- jycr753 2y agocash.
- tdrz 2y agoI'd prefer a card with a European payment processor logo on it. An app might do as well...
- jgilias 2y agoTechnology-wise this is a solved problem. Uses open-source software too. All the EU needs to do is say 'self-custody is fine, please use a EUR-based stable coin for payments EU-wide'. The market will do the rest (the stable-coin, payment terminals, integrations with cash registers, DeFi forex for places where EUR is not used, etc.).
- lifty 2y agoI hope there will be more adoption of EU stable coins like https://monerium.com https://monerium.com, and a payments ecosystem will form around it. The rails are there, we need the apps and the integrations next.
- jeroenhd 2y agoI don't think there's such a thing yet for payment terminals. Local alternatives all seem to have died off because banks in other countries didn't support them. I hope the new attempt you linked will make a difference. This time, international support seems to be at the basis of the system. Widespread integration of a unified form of iDeal/Bancontact/Payconiq could easily replace the need for American style credit card forms across Europe.
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- squarefoot 2y agoMissing olimex.com, a Bulgarian manufacturer and seller of SBC and microcontroller boards, including industrial grade LTS ones. Not a shill, just a happy customer.
- tdrz 2y ago+1 for olimex. They really stayed true to their vision, not looking to go big or go bust, just doing cool, quality things.
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- Galatians4_16 2y agoYou will find the brown party again once you go far enough left.
- reaperducer 2y agoI think this is useful more than just actual Europeans. I'm an American, and my wife and I have been looking at "Made in…" labels on our products for decades. Not as a geopolitical protest; just as routine intellectual curiosity. Over the last five years or so, we've noticed a significant shift in the locations listed on the things we buy. A lot of what we buy used to read "Made in China" (and before that shift, "Made in Mexico") but these days more and more of it is from Europe. Sometimes it's the vague "Made in the EU," which I assume means Turkey or Romania or some other less-fashionable quarter. But increasingly, it's France and Switzerland, and the U.K. (My personal, completely unscientific guess is that the next shift in manufacturing will be to Africa. Lots of cheap labor close to raw materials and access to both hemispheres by sea.)
- tacker2000 2y agoTurkey is not part of the EU.
- Galatians4_16 2y agoThey should be.
- wolvesechoes 2y agoOnly if they return Constantinople.
- dumbledoren 2y ago"Return" to whom. Byzantium was never "European", it was shunned at its time by entire Europe - by both the Catholic Mediterranean parts and the Germanic parts. The Romaioi (as the Byzantines called themselves) turned into Ottoman Rums as the empire was a multi-cultural, multi-national empire united under the banner of Ottoman-ness. The uncle of the fallen emperor, who was next in line for being the Byzantine emperor after the fall of his nephew was made the "Grand Beg" (akin to viceroy) of the entire Ottoman Balkans after the fall of Constantinople. He governed lands far bigger than what his ancestors governed even ~200 years ago. A lot of Mehmed I's begs were ex-Byzantines who were still Christian, and, well Byzantine. Except they wore Ottoman turbans now - and most of them just didn't and kept wearing Byzantine attire. So its like what some historians say: The fall of Constantinople was mostly a change of hats.
- pbiggar 2y agoA similar product is Boycat - https://boycat.io https://boycat.io. AFAIK they are adding a campaign focused on the US since the US started adding tarifs everywhere. Would love to see them adding something for the EU side of things.
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- bauerd 2y agoPlease add mlbile apps that scan product barcodes and display the origin country. I think EAN-13 barcodes make this easy already
- ReptileMan 2y agoThe problem with buying European is that shipping between countries is nightmarishly expensive. If Brussels wants to try something useful - instead of bottle caps create a proper shipping network that can ship from Malaga to Vilinus in 2 days for 0.5 euro per KG. It is not that we don't have national postal companies. It is absurd to buy something for 15 euro in italy and pay 30 euro shipping to romania.
- tdrz 2y agoI understand that for you cheaper shipping options are important, but other people might find other things important. The EU has the capability to address multiple issues at a moment, so it should not be "instead of doing <my favorite thing to make fun of>". btw, shipping to Romania is expensive because infrastructure is still quite bad and the reliability of the national post is quite low. PS: Bottle caps that stay attached to the bottles is great!
- jeroenhd 2y agoInternational freight shipping is incredibly cheap per kilogram (1 TEU/20ft shipping container costs about 6000 euros to ship, with a max eeight of about 28900kg, so about 20 cents per kg), at least by sea and rivers. Many of the costs come from the moment products arrive on land. Land-locked countries and countries with major population centers far away from docks and freight terminals pay the price. Shipping individual packages within a short amount of time costs money. The solution is to do what companies like Amazon and AliExpress do: stock up products in many different companies in bulk so that packages can be dispatched locally for much cheaper. Many of the shipping routes between countries go by plane rather than by boat, filling up unused weight in passenger planes or being shipped in bulk by passenger planes. Planes are a lot more expensive, especially by weight, but you'll get your products within days rather than weeks. If you're a business importing goods in bulk, you'll have to deal with weeks or even months of delays between ordering and delivery, but international cargo delivery per product is essentially free unless you ship things like cars. Things will become cheaper as warehouses are spread wider and transport legs get optimized more. Currently, there aren't many companies shipping from Italy to Romania, so there aren't many boats or trains making the journey, and shipping is expensive. When demand grows, more availability will follow, and prices will drop eventually.
- R0ger 2y agogreat to see list include software products as well
- fnordahl 2y agoPersonally I find myself reevaluating the choices I made for my personal data at the beginning of the cloud era. Back then, one of the arguments I convinced myself with was that the cloud behemoths had so much to lose on integrity breach that it would just not happen. It didn’t even occur to me at the time that my data being held hostage in some geopolitical gameplay should be part of the risk assessment. I'm seriously considering self-hosting as an alternative, in combination with regional cloud services. Maybe we have an Internet renaissance on our hands, taking it back to its decentralized nature?
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- zkid18 2y agoUnfortunately, data on Cypriot companies is quite limited. There are far more products built on the island than what is officially listed. Speaking as a founder of a CY-based company, SpatialChat
- DaveMcMartin 2y agoIt’s genuinely sad to see the world splintering into waves of nationalistic protectionism. Not long ago, we had something promising, a slow but steady crawl toward a united global community. Progress was gradual, sure, but it was real. Countries could specialize and trade freely: I’d buy your chips, you’d buy my steel, and we’d both come out ahead. It worked. Now, though, it’s all about "national sovereignty" and "independence" as if going it alone could ever match the strength of interdependence. The trust we built feels shattered and TBH it’s hard to imagine it being rebuilt anytime soon, if ever.
- Pet_Ant 2y agoThe problem was that the people that benefitted most from free trade never do the work to ensure that a fair share of the profits went to the working class who were now being displaced. If you can no longer get lifelong middleclass job with a high school diploma, but you need a degree, then the degree should be paid for by the state... or you see what you see, a race to the bottom and then a backlash.
- ty6853 2y agoThere are plenty of worker owned businesses. If this leads to more worker prosperity then the free market should push workers into them and to form them. They are free to do so, so what gives?
- rlnvlc 2y ago"It's called consolidation. Strengthen governments and corporations, weaken individuals. With taxes this can be done imperceptibly over time."
- ty6853 2y agoSure but if worker own businesses generate more profit for workers then the workers can use that wealth to buy, I mean lobby and later employ, officials just like other businesses no? I don't see why they cant do all the same corrupt regulatory capture stuff.
- mogall 2y agoYeah this isn't what people make it out to be. I already pointed it out in another thread about this exact website: Go and search for "keyboard", what's the first search result? Logitech, a company that makes their products almost exclusively in china. There's nothing european about this. "Yeah but it's a european company so!" yeah i don't care. It's not an european product. It's a chinese product. I don't care if the CEO lives in europe or it has a German flag on the cover or whatever - if the product is made in china, it's not an european product. Also this is like the 5th time i see this here, which makes me wonder if this is some sort of organic-looking promotional campaign.
- diego_moita 2y agoThese days, from a Canadian perspective, non-US is already good enough. Yeah, China sucks. But the US sucks even more.
- 1over137 2y ago>There's nothing european about this. / "Yeah but it's a european company so!" You are contradicting yourself. There is something European about it. Anyway, as long as it's not from the USA, it's a win.
- mogall 2y agoI don't care. It's a chinese product, i refuse to take anyone who says otherwise seriously. European products are made in europe, not china.
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- agumonkey 2y agoHas there been efforts to create migration plans / tutorials for most of non EU tools ? so that a lot of teams can get off the US train wreck.