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> The Internet should be Unrated and thus Adults Only by default. Just like public spaces. This is exactly the opposite of the way public spaces actually work,
by lolinder 2y ago
> The Internet should be Unrated and thus Adults Only by default. Just like public spaces.
This is exactly the opposite of the way public spaces actually work, and the way that public spaces actually work is the very justification for laws like this in the first place! You've just taken their exact rationale and imagined a world that would lead that metaphor to the opposite conclusion.
In most of the real-life US, you can't put porn on a billboard, you can't sell it in a supermarket, and you can't wear it on a shirt. You can't go out naked in public, and you can't engage in public sexual activity.
If you do want to buy porn or go into a strip club, you have to show ID and go into a distinctly-not-public space behind closed doors, often without street-facing windows lest people in the public space be able to see inside.
The fact that this is how public spaces work is why these laws are written the way that they are—by analogy to real public spaces vs real adults-only spaces.
- ty6853 2y ago[flagged]
- nativeit 2y agoThere are entire genres of research devoted to this.
- slg 2y ago[flagged]
- ty6853 2y agoRecognizing you have feelings isn't wrong. It's how you learn to control your actions and reason your response.
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- ty6853 2y agoOr alternatively, someone else with homophobic feelings will use my comment to reflect and realize it's OK to acknowledge their feelings while acknowledging the rights and freedoms of others. I welcome gays the freedom to kiss in public, just as they must accept my freedom to discuss my feelings. It's a two sided coin, and I'm not sure it's a loaded coin as you imply.
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- ty6853 2y agoTolerance means little if it's about stuff that you have nothing but good or neutral opinions and feelings about. The virtue of tolerance is accepting that which gives you unpleasant opinions or feelings. This is the kind of tolerance that actually takes meaningful effort to develop. You're limiting tolerance to a form where it has little to no value.
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- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> Recognizing you have feelings isn't wrong. It's how you learn to control your actions If you’re afraid of the monster under your bed, the solution isn’t to clench you teeth—it’s to learn there’s no monster. Recognising the bias is good. We all have subconscious biases based on fear and disgust. But the solution is to learn more about the thing so it stops triggering a reptilian response.
- ty6853 2y agoYes I agree 100%, although I admit the reptilian response might never fully attenuate. Which leads me to, is public nudity/display of sex something we feel is wrong based on fear or disgust? Or because there is a scientific basis of degraded life outcomes? There can be health hazards in say most indoor spaces but for say printed material those biohazard don't exist. I'm seeking to find if I'm being a reptile here.
- kerkeslager 2y agoI think it's not even reptilian--it's cultural (assuming you're from the US) based in the American history of Puritanism and related strains of Christianity. There are a ton of human cultures that don't vilify nudity. Germany, for example, has a much more relaxed attitude toward nudity.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> although I admit the reptilian response might never fully attenuate That’s fine. The problem is in the bits between your senses and the reptilian brain. When a kid screams for their iPad on a plane, the reptilian part of their brain is legitimately freaking out. You’re not going to ever shut that off. But the adults in their life should attempt to disconnect it from the stimulus.m If you’ve genuinely never overcome a fear or disgust, this could be a rewarding learning opportunity. Go to a pride event.
- ty6853 2y agoI've been to multiple pride events, a gay nightclub, drag shows, have gay friends, and been to the odd party that was 90+% gay. Had a great time, no problems, and liked the people. I've learned to look past the feeling, but it doesn't shut off.
- yellowapple 2y agoWhy should that action be controlled?
- ty6853 2y agoLearning to control your actions doesnt necessitate controlling 'that' action, it gives you the option. Having the options beyond following your impulsive feelings is useful.
- yellowapple 2y agoOkay, then why is that particular action "useful" to control?
- ty6853 2y agoI have no idea what 'that' action is youre referring to. In generic terms some impulse actions are good (move hand from burning thing), some indifferent, and some bad ( ie dog barking annoys someone so they punch the dog). What's useful is the option and ability to do either. I wouldn't want to let go of a hot pan only to have it fall on a baby, even though I'd otherwise drop it.
- roenxi 2y agoIf it is at all helpful in interpreting the response, ~60% [0] of people aren't capable of doing that and will interpret you having feelings as equivalent to you accepting homophobic role models. Because they literally don't know how to construct their own values by independent reflection. It was eye-opening to me discovering just how limited most humans are on that sort of basic empathy; I had no idea it was that big a blind spot. But it explains some of the weirder downvote storms. [0] https://azatris.github.io/levels https://azatris.github.io/levels
- account42 2y agoIt's also a perfectly natural reaction that is built into many people's biology.
- wegfawefgawefg 2y agoThe US is very sensetive about public nudity, but realistically it would probably be fine. I dont think nakedness and pictures of sex on 7-11s would suddenly make all the children become meth addicts and fail their schoolwork. In tribes everybody runs around naked all the time, and the parents are fucking in the hut.
- 7952 2y agoThe problem with the internet is the mixing of different contexts. You can have cute cats, disney fandom, hobbies, politics, porn, extremism all on the same platform. In the real world you don't have strip clubs at disney world or children wandering about in a bar.
- ty6853 2y agoIn my state children can wander in a bar. They can even sit at the stool in front the bar counter. It's considered better to allow it than have children neglected at home without supervision.
- wongarsu 2y agoThe kind of hierarchies we deem necessary are certainly different. In most of Europe (spoiler: overgeneralization incoming) nobody would have an issue with a child walking alone through a city, going into a bar and ordering a coke. Nobody is going to stop them from taking public transit to a book store, and nothing is legally or physically preventing them from looking at a couple pages in the latest playboy issue in the magazine rack. Though the clerk might interfere out of his own judgement, and depending on the country they might check your age before selling it. You will however be asked for ID before being allowed in a strip club, brothel or casino, or before being sold a DVD of some action movie.
- Aeolun 2y ago> You will however be asked for ID before being allowed in a strip club, brothel or casino, or before being sold a DVD of some action movie. The action movie too? I’ve never seen that happen, and I’m certain I rented a whole bunch of age inappropriate DVD’s (or was it VCR’s?) back in the day. Maybe we were required to be ID’ed and the teenager behind the counter just gave zero fucks?
- tharkun__ 2y agoAgain, depends on the country and time I suppose but "Video stores" back in the day used to be completely off limits to kids where I was. Just couldn't get in until 18. I never understood why as a kid. One time my parents got me in. They had made a deal with the owner that I'd be shielded by a parent from seeing anything in the store on my way to the small corner of "age appropriate" VHSs, so that I could pick out what I wanted and then I'd have to leave the store while my parents went to rent it, coz from the cashier's counter I'd see too much. Of course today I understand but back then I was just like "WTF!, why not!?" Funny to think about now. It was a tiny corner I could see and a huuuuuge store I wasn't allowed in.
- yellowapple 2y ago> and you can't wear it on a shirt The widespread proliferation of attire bearing so-called "ahegao" faces demonstrates otherwise.
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- soulofmischief 2y agoYou're kidding, right? It's literally a pornography trope.
- wkat4242 2y agoIt's a manga/hentai trope. Pornography has latched onto it but it's not pornographic in nature. You really need to know the context to know it's meant in an erotic way, otherwise it's just a contorted face.
- soulofmischief 2y agoYou know what hentai is, right?
- wkat4242 2y agoYes but ahegao is not really pornographic in nature But I mean Western video/cam porn has latched onto it
- LorenPechtel 2y agoMaybe that's how things have become but it's certainly not how I grew up. My going to visit my grandmother alone was unusual, not a cause for alarm. I was 7, it involved public transit and crossing major streets. I was trusted to handle it, never had any issues other with getting on (drivers blowing past, not realizing I wanted on)/getting off (this was back when there was a pull cord at adult height.) Even tried using public transit to get to school (didn't work, too many drivers blowing past.) I've been in many other countries--and seeing young kids on the bus is the norm.