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>Adults Only by default. Just like public spaces. This is the attitude that led us to this problem in the first place. >Would you allow an 8 year old to wande

by qball 2y ago

>Adults Only by default. Just like public spaces. This is the attitude that led us to this problem in the first place. >Would you allow an 8 year old to wander New York City unattended? They're at much higher risk of being arrested/abducted by the police than they are anything else. This is a uniquely North American neurosis; this happens every day in every other nation. They take the subway to work/school or walk, like everyone else.

ty6853 2y ago
The Karens seem to perish in the backcountry. I have seen multiple elementary age children operating dirt bikes and heavy construction equipment on desert dirt roads.
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- soulofmischief 2y ago
  I used to take the ATV out as often as I could as a kid, riding for miles over some rather treacherous roads with 200ft drops on either side and no barriers. Times sure have changed.
repeekad 2y ago
You really think a child is more likely to be abducted by police in NYC than anything else? What are you talking about?
- ty6853 2y ago
  Yes do you have children? I had the police called on me for taking my kid to the park last time i took a vacation out east to a big city. My kid is not the same 'race' as me ergo Karen called and they detained my child for an hour because that was suspicious (I filed FOIA and got bodycam and overheard the witch's complaint on the radio). Now imagine there was no parent at all...
- AngryData 2y ago
  Unless you live in a really bad ghetto where everybody has bars on their windows and people warn you to get off the streets before sundown, US police are the most likely to harm or take people without cause.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    No one in the “ghetto” just randomly takes people’s kids.
- zo1 2y ago
  Well they're not allowed to beat up and intimidate criminals, so what else are they supposed to do? We've turned police into armed Karens.
  - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
    They shouldn't be allowed to intimidate anybody or beat anybody up unless necessary. I shudder to think about such judgements being made based on a high school dropout's likely-malevolent guess at whether I'm a criminal.
- crote 2y ago
  Yes? There are plenty of stories of exactly this happening. People see a kid walking on their own, call the cops, who scoop up the kid and charge the parents with child endangerment because they were "abandoned". Get unlucky, and CPS will be involved. On the other hand, child kidnapping by strangers isn't really a common thing. The vast majority of kids going "missing" just did something like going over to play with the neighbour's kids without telling their parents, and the remainder is taken by their own family. Of the roughly 800.000 kids going missing each year, only 100 or so are genuinely abducted by a stranger. So no, a child being more likely to be abducted by a cop than by a stranger isn't as strange of a claim as it may initially seem.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    Lol so different. When i was young (<10) I'd often take the train to another city alone. To visit it, or to see relatives. It's not super common where I'm from but it's surely tolerated. I'd often see train conductors asking why I was alone and then going "ok, fine" though they would keep an eye on me usually.
diddid 2y ago
I don’t think it’s entirely a mentality issue. I think North America created an environment where you wouldn’t want your 8 year old to navigate New York City. I would let my kids wander Tokyo before I would let them wander Chicago. Japan would not tolerate people spitting at and harassing children where Chicago does indeed tolerate that. I’d say ask me how I know but you could probably guess.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  Guessing leaves me two options, so was you, or your children that were spit on? Also, what could possibly lead to that happening? Someone upset they were noisy? Or just that they dared show up at all?
  - cyberax 2y ago
    Drugs and mentally ill people.
    - johnisgood 2y ago
      LA is full of those. Mostly junkies. My girlfriend often has such encounters when she takes the bus. It is awful. I am in Hungary and there is no such issues here. It is extremely safe in comparison. There was a stabbing (one in 30 years) and everyone rushed to help and to catch the perpetuator (who ended up stabbing himself anyways). BTW I am a junkie myself, but I do not engage in such behaviors at all. And by "junkie" when referring to myself, I mean that I have an addictive personality, but I do take opiates ("only") for my mental and physical problems. I was never a safety hazard for anyone, including myself (there were times when I was, but had nothing to do with drugs). I do it at home (and before going out, too, due to its positive effects on my mobility and pain), and it makes me more emotionally stable. It sucks though, because when people think of opiates, what they picture is homeless people being unconscious on the streets with a needle coming out of their arm. No one could ever tell me that I was ever on opiates and this includes a lot of doctors. For one, it affects me differently (just like any other psychiatric medications and other drugs). Anyways, yeah, junkies are an issue in LA and it pisses me off that my girlfriend has to always pay a lot of attention because one never knows what they might do. They are also loud, they create conflicts, and so forth.
CalRobert 2y ago
The biggest risk is usually being killed by a driver
eru 2y ago
> This is a uniquely North American neurosis; this happens every day in every other nation. No. Eg Australia is also full of helicopter parents. And even Germany has moved a lot in that direction in recent decades, even if they ain't nearly as bad as the US.

by qball 2y ago

ty6853 2y ago

The Karens seem to perish in the backcountry. I have seen multiple elementary age children operating dirt bikes and heavy construction equipment on desert dirt roads.

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soulofmischief 2y ago
I used to take the ATV out as often as I could as a kid, riding for miles over some rather treacherous roads with 200ft drops on either side and no barriers. Times sure have changed.

repeekad 2y ago

You really think a child is more likely to be abducted by police in NYC than anything else? What are you talking about?

ty6853 2y ago
Yes do you have children? I had the police called on me for taking my kid to the park last time i took a vacation out east to a big city. My kid is not the same 'race' as me ergo Karen called and they detained my child for an hour because that was suspicious (I filed FOIA and got bodycam and overheard the witch's complaint on the radio). Now imagine there was no parent at all...
AngryData 2y ago
Unless you live in a really bad ghetto where everybody has bars on their windows and people warn you to get off the streets before sundown, US police are the most likely to harm or take people without cause.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  No one in the “ghetto” just randomly takes people’s kids.
zo1 2y ago
Well they're not allowed to beat up and intimidate criminals, so what else are they supposed to do? We've turned police into armed Karens.
- ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
  They shouldn't be allowed to intimidate anybody or beat anybody up unless necessary. I shudder to think about such judgements being made based on a high school dropout's likely-malevolent guess at whether I'm a criminal.
crote 2y ago
Yes? There are plenty of stories of exactly this happening. People see a kid walking on their own, call the cops, who scoop up the kid and charge the parents with child endangerment because they were "abandoned". Get unlucky, and CPS will be involved. On the other hand, child kidnapping by strangers isn't really a common thing. The vast majority of kids going "missing" just did something like going over to play with the neighbour's kids without telling their parents, and the remainder is taken by their own family. Of the roughly 800.000 kids going missing each year, only 100 or so are genuinely abducted by a stranger. So no, a child being more likely to be abducted by a cop than by a stranger isn't as strange of a claim as it may initially seem.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  Lol so different. When i was young (<10) I'd often take the train to another city alone. To visit it, or to see relatives. It's not super common where I'm from but it's surely tolerated. I'd often see train conductors asking why I was alone and then going "ok, fine" though they would keep an eye on me usually.

diddid 2y ago

I don’t think it’s entirely a mentality issue. I think North America created an environment where you wouldn’t want your 8 year old to navigate New York City. I would let my kids wander Tokyo before I would let them wander Chicago. Japan would not tolerate people spitting at and harassing children where Chicago does indeed tolerate that. I’d say ask me how I know but you could probably guess.

Aeolun 2y ago
Guessing leaves me two options, so was you, or your children that were spit on? Also, what could possibly lead to that happening? Someone upset they were noisy? Or just that they dared show up at all?
- cyberax 2y ago
  Drugs and mentally ill people.
  - johnisgood 2y ago
    LA is full of those. Mostly junkies. My girlfriend often has such encounters when she takes the bus. It is awful. I am in Hungary and there is no such issues here. It is extremely safe in comparison. There was a stabbing (one in 30 years) and everyone rushed to help and to catch the perpetuator (who ended up stabbing himself anyways). BTW I am a junkie myself, but I do not engage in such behaviors at all. And by "junkie" when referring to myself, I mean that I have an addictive personality, but I do take opiates ("only") for my mental and physical problems. I was never a safety hazard for anyone, including myself (there were times when I was, but had nothing to do with drugs). I do it at home (and before going out, too, due to its positive effects on my mobility and pain), and it makes me more emotionally stable. It sucks though, because when people think of opiates, what they picture is homeless people being unconscious on the streets with a needle coming out of their arm. No one could ever tell me that I was ever on opiates and this includes a lot of doctors. For one, it affects me differently (just like any other psychiatric medications and other drugs). Anyways, yeah, junkies are an issue in LA and it pisses me off that my girlfriend has to always pay a lot of attention because one never knows what they might do. They are also loud, they create conflicts, and so forth.

CalRobert 2y ago

The biggest risk is usually being killed by a driver

eru 2y ago

> This is a uniquely North American neurosis; this happens every day in every other nation. No. Eg Australia is also full of helicopter parents. And even Germany has moved a lot in that direction in recent decades, even if they ain't nearly as bad as the US.