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You can ignore politics, but politics won't ignore you.

by hackyhacky 2y ago

esafak 2y ago
As fired federal workers found out.
- Muromec 2y ago
  That's not the most severe things that can happen for ignoring politics. Some people are unfortunate enough to ignore it to the point they sit in a frozen trench while IR-enabled drone is looking for them
  - FreebasingLLMs 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - kspacewalk2 2y ago
      I know, what is it about shrill people insisting on looking up lately? Dial down on the fear factor, baby! It's like they say on Russian TV: what do you decide, anyway? The higher-ups aren't fools, they know what they're doing.
      - hackyhacky 2y ago
        > The higher-ups aren't fools, they know what they're doing. Recent evidence contradicts this viewpoint.
        dredmorbius 2y ago
        Parent was satire.
    - Muromec 2y ago
      It can be very abstract for some, but I am actually eligible for a magical summon letter to participate in this team sport involving drones
    - latentcall 2y ago
      I understand not wanting to live in fear but if SHTF what are you gonna do? You’ll be less informed than the “scared” ones and you’ll be screwed. I wouldn’t say I live in fear. I still enjoy day to day life but I also stay informed and ready to scram if need be..
    - becquerel 2y ago
      I regret to inform you that war does in fact happen. In fact it happens quite frequently
      - FreebasingLLMs 2y ago
        Yes and Ukraine is just like the United States.
        jajko 2y ago
        Drone warfare as we see in Ukraine is new default. Any poor schmuck ragtag group can muster hundreds of them, with basic grenades or 30/40mm AP grenades. Enough power to kill anything on wheels or tracks apart from modern main battle tank, that one would be just more or less crippled. Bigger drones can and do kill everything, some drop literal 152/155mm shells. You may say - but we have good EW! Which is pointless for optic cable drones, can't affect them like that. Those are a bit more expensive and sophisticated but not that much. If US decided to do their invasion to Iraq or Afghanistan these days things would be very different re US casualties and expensive material loss.
        unyttigfjelltol 2y ago
        Insurgency is not the highest and best use of drones. Odds are we have not yet seen their true capabilities in the hands of a world industrial power.
        FreebasingLLMs 2y ago
        [dead]
    - hackyhacky 2y ago
      Do you have an actual point, or are you just here to troll? If you disagree with the points in the article, please state them.
- briandear 2y ago
  They could learn to code. https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/476391-biden-tells-coal-miners-to-learn-to-code/amp/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/47...
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  Many of them voted for this. I know they are portrayed as a cabal of woke leftists, but a third of them are veterans and they probably broadly reflect American professional demographics. You could argue that many of the people voting Trump are also simultaneously ignoring a big chunk of politics and reality more generally I suppose, but it's not the standard meaning of ignoring politics.
sixo 2y ago
Or you can pay attention to it, in which case it will ignore you. Because what are you going to do about it? Say the same thing everyone else is saying? But a little different?
- Tactician_mark 2y ago
  You could get together in a big group and all say the same things in unison. Maybe even hold some signs saying those things
  - sixo 2y ago
    That's right! And on average, the impact of mass protests in recent years, towards the causes they support, is somewhere between "zero" and "massively negative". Care all you want and politics will just ignore you or get angry at you for caring. See e.g. throwing oil on famous paintings, or everything re Palestine in the past couple of years. Protesting effectively is a skill which the present generation lacks. They don't even realize it's a skill issue. "Surely if we just care harder somebody will do something..!", they think, over and over. Doesn't make it so.
    - orwin 2y ago
      France Yellow jackets, China anti-lockdown protests are well known failure with 0 impact. I will also tell the friends I made/lived with in NDDL that our action had no impact and that the airport is being built (given that a couple of them bought a house where the airport was supposed to be, they might not all believe me).
- kspacewalk2 2y ago
  >Or you can pay attention to it, in which case it will ignore you. That doesn't make any sense. The small minority of people who are involved in politics affect politicians completely disproportionately to their number, and this is completely unrelated to whether they actually know what they're talking about or have reasonable concerns.
csomar 2y ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60284352 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60284352 If you opt out of the system, for the most part the system is not interested in you.
- hackyhacky 2y ago
  > If you opt out of the system, for the most part the system is not interested in you. Opting out of the system, in this case, by living in a forest in Singapore, is not an option for most people. People who are engaged in the system (by e.g. buying things, having jobs, raising a family) are touched by government policy every day.
  - csomar 2y ago
    It is an option, just not the preference for most people. The guy had an alright life, married a woman from a nearby island in a different country, had a daughter and still tend to his garden. In a way, that’s how humans have lived for most of their existence except the last 100 years or so.
    - sennalen 2y ago
      That's how most humans died except the last 100 years or so
    - Tainnor 2y ago
      > In a way, that’s how humans have lived for most of their existence except the last 100 years or so. Sure. They would also die whenever there was a famine, some disease ran rampant, Mongols or crusaders pillaged everything, some recent council decreed they were all heretics, etc.
- p_ing 2y ago
  Or this guy... https://metro.co.uk/2024/07/08/worlds-loneliest-man-lives-70-c-temperatures-siberia-21182931/ https://metro.co.uk/2024/07/08/worlds-loneliest-man-lives-70... Or the Lykov family.
red-iron-pine 2y ago
"can't be neutral on a moving train"

You can ignore politics, but politics won't ignore you.

esafak 2y ago

As fired federal workers found out.

Muromec 2y ago
That's not the most severe things that can happen for ignoring politics. Some people are unfortunate enough to ignore it to the point they sit in a frozen trench while IR-enabled drone is looking for them
- FreebasingLLMs 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - kspacewalk2 2y ago
    I know, what is it about shrill people insisting on looking up lately? Dial down on the fear factor, baby! It's like they say on Russian TV: what do you decide, anyway? The higher-ups aren't fools, they know what they're doing.
    - hackyhacky 2y ago
      > The higher-ups aren't fools, they know what they're doing. Recent evidence contradicts this viewpoint.
      - dredmorbius 2y ago
        Parent was satire.
  - Muromec 2y ago
    It can be very abstract for some, but I am actually eligible for a magical summon letter to participate in this team sport involving drones
  - latentcall 2y ago
    I understand not wanting to live in fear but if SHTF what are you gonna do? You’ll be less informed than the “scared” ones and you’ll be screwed. I wouldn’t say I live in fear. I still enjoy day to day life but I also stay informed and ready to scram if need be..
  - becquerel 2y ago
    I regret to inform you that war does in fact happen. In fact it happens quite frequently
    - FreebasingLLMs 2y ago
      Yes and Ukraine is just like the United States.
      - jajko 2y ago
        Drone warfare as we see in Ukraine is new default. Any poor schmuck ragtag group can muster hundreds of them, with basic grenades or 30/40mm AP grenades. Enough power to kill anything on wheels or tracks apart from modern main battle tank, that one would be just more or less crippled. Bigger drones can and do kill everything, some drop literal 152/155mm shells. You may say - but we have good EW! Which is pointless for optic cable drones, can't affect them like that. Those are a bit more expensive and sophisticated but not that much. If US decided to do their invasion to Iraq or Afghanistan these days things would be very different re US casualties and expensive material loss.
        unyttigfjelltol 2y ago
        Insurgency is not the highest and best use of drones. Odds are we have not yet seen their true capabilities in the hands of a world industrial power.
        FreebasingLLMs 2y ago
        [dead]
  - hackyhacky 2y ago
    Do you have an actual point, or are you just here to troll? If you disagree with the points in the article, please state them.
briandear 2y ago
They could learn to code. https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/476391-biden-tells-coal-miners-to-learn-to-code/amp/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/47...
ZeroGravitas 2y ago
Many of them voted for this. I know they are portrayed as a cabal of woke leftists, but a third of them are veterans and they probably broadly reflect American professional demographics. You could argue that many of the people voting Trump are also simultaneously ignoring a big chunk of politics and reality more generally I suppose, but it's not the standard meaning of ignoring politics.

sixo 2y ago

Or you can pay attention to it, in which case it will ignore you. Because what are you going to do about it? Say the same thing everyone else is saying? But a little different?

Tactician_mark 2y ago
You could get together in a big group and all say the same things in unison. Maybe even hold some signs saying those things
- sixo 2y ago
  That's right! And on average, the impact of mass protests in recent years, towards the causes they support, is somewhere between "zero" and "massively negative". Care all you want and politics will just ignore you or get angry at you for caring. See e.g. throwing oil on famous paintings, or everything re Palestine in the past couple of years. Protesting effectively is a skill which the present generation lacks. They don't even realize it's a skill issue. "Surely if we just care harder somebody will do something..!", they think, over and over. Doesn't make it so.
  - orwin 2y ago
    France Yellow jackets, China anti-lockdown protests are well known failure with 0 impact. I will also tell the friends I made/lived with in NDDL that our action had no impact and that the airport is being built (given that a couple of them bought a house where the airport was supposed to be, they might not all believe me).
kspacewalk2 2y ago
>Or you can pay attention to it, in which case it will ignore you. That doesn't make any sense. The small minority of people who are involved in politics affect politicians completely disproportionately to their number, and this is completely unrelated to whether they actually know what they're talking about or have reasonable concerns.

csomar 2y ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60284352 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60284352 If you opt out of the system, for the most part the system is not interested in you.

hackyhacky 2y ago
> If you opt out of the system, for the most part the system is not interested in you. Opting out of the system, in this case, by living in a forest in Singapore, is not an option for most people. People who are engaged in the system (by e.g. buying things, having jobs, raising a family) are touched by government policy every day.
- csomar 2y ago
  It is an option, just not the preference for most people. The guy had an alright life, married a woman from a nearby island in a different country, had a daughter and still tend to his garden. In a way, that’s how humans have lived for most of their existence except the last 100 years or so.
  - sennalen 2y ago
    That's how most humans died except the last 100 years or so
  - Tainnor 2y ago
    > In a way, that’s how humans have lived for most of their existence except the last 100 years or so. Sure. They would also die whenever there was a famine, some disease ran rampant, Mongols or crusaders pillaged everything, some recent council decreed they were all heretics, etc.
p_ing 2y ago
Or this guy... https://metro.co.uk/2024/07/08/worlds-loneliest-man-lives-70-c-temperatures-siberia-21182931/ https://metro.co.uk/2024/07/08/worlds-loneliest-man-lives-70... Or the Lykov family.

red-iron-pine 2y ago

"can't be neutral on a moving train"