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I am european, and I don't really know if it's really a bad thing for europe. I would say it's bad to lose an ally like the US, especially for defense, but wha

by jokoon 2y ago

I am european, and I don't really know if it's really a bad thing for europe. I would say it's bad to lose an ally like the US, especially for defense, but what about trade? The problem is that american hegemony also bother some people, and those people dislike Trump but are they still happy for the US to be less strong? I would bet there are some europeans who are happy about the US slowing down, but I don't think there are many. I thought that americans would be able to impeach him or congress/senate/judges to stop him, but it seems nothing will stop him. Maybe american democracy is flawed and russia managed to crack it.

Jtsummers 2y ago
> I thought that americans would be able to impeach him or congress/senate/judges to stop him, but it seems nothing will stop him. The Republican party holds the majority (barely) in both houses of Congress. In order to impeach, a majority in the House of Representatives has to vote for it (unlikely) then the Senate becomes the jury for the trial, and needs a two-thirds majority (extremely unlikely) to convict. The only way an impeachment is likely to happen is post-2026 elections. If the Democrats (there is no other party, unfortunately) gain the majority in both houses and a supermajority in the Senate (or the remaining Republicans are more centrist, unlikely), then an impeachment and conviction could happen.
MarcelOlsz 2y ago
I hope to see before I die a united Europe with zero dependance on the USA, culturally or economically.
orwin 2y ago
Honestly I don't have any fingers on the pulse right now, but the people still close to watchdog orgs I was once part of seems pretty happy with the effect Trump had in the last week, after a few stressful months. It seems that now, Le Pen will support Macron's government to avoid triggering new elections for sure, as they're now unsure of the effect the US news have on their electorate.
rsynnott 2y ago
As a general rule, the US economy grinding to a halt would be bad for ~everyone. There'd be specific sectors which might benefit, but for Europe as a whole it would be negative. One arguable pro for Europe from all of this is that it _does_ seem to be strengthening Europe as an institution a bit.
ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
In general, it benefits everyone if countries are strong and successful, though there's also the issues of a strong country using their power against other countries. When there's a strong U.S. it means that there's plenty of wealthy customers for European products and also it's a lot easier to find well-educated U.S. talent to be employed.

by jokoon 2y ago

Jtsummers 2y ago

> I thought that americans would be able to impeach him or congress/senate/judges to stop him, but it seems nothing will stop him. The Republican party holds the majority (barely) in both houses of Congress. In order to impeach, a majority in the House of Representatives has to vote for it (unlikely) then the Senate becomes the jury for the trial, and needs a two-thirds majority (extremely unlikely) to convict. The only way an impeachment is likely to happen is post-2026 elections. If the Democrats (there is no other party, unfortunately) gain the majority in both houses and a supermajority in the Senate (or the remaining Republicans are more centrist, unlikely), then an impeachment and conviction could happen.

MarcelOlsz 2y ago

I hope to see before I die a united Europe with zero dependance on the USA, culturally or economically.

orwin 2y ago

Honestly I don't have any fingers on the pulse right now, but the people still close to watchdog orgs I was once part of seems pretty happy with the effect Trump had in the last week, after a few stressful months. It seems that now, Le Pen will support Macron's government to avoid triggering new elections for sure, as they're now unsure of the effect the US news have on their electorate.

rsynnott 2y ago

As a general rule, the US economy grinding to a halt would be bad for ~everyone. There'd be specific sectors which might benefit, but for Europe as a whole it would be negative. One arguable pro for Europe from all of this is that it _does_ seem to be strengthening Europe as an institution a bit.

ndsipa_pomu 2y ago

In general, it benefits everyone if countries are strong and successful, though there's also the issues of a strong country using their power against other countries. When there's a strong U.S. it means that there's plenty of wealthy customers for European products and also it's a lot easier to find well-educated U.S. talent to be employed.