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> I think Windows still offers easy screenshotting of frames from DRM video not because the streaming services somehow don’t care about what Windows users do T
by sxp 2y ago
> I think Windows still offers easy screenshotting of frames from DRM video not because the streaming services somehow don’t care about what Windows users do
This is incorrect. The DRM on Windows varies based on the browser. Trying playing Netflix in Edge vs Chrome and take screenshots. The video will be black on Edge but visible on Chrome. If you use Ctrl-Alt-Shift-D on Edge or Chrome to bring up the stats or view their test videos at https://www.netflix.com/watch/80164785 https://www.netflix.com/watch/80164785, you can see that Edge plays 4k HDR but Chrome only plays 1080p SDR. Netflix allows 1080p with weak DRM but requires strong DRM for 4k.
There are similar restrictions for mobile devices, VR headsets, etc. where the resolution is limited on certain devices and browsers because of their DRM configuration.
- perching_aix 2y agoThis even extends to screensharing on Teams. If I recall correctly, DRM protected content is completely black even when using Chrome.
- jandrese 2y agoYep, it's super annoying to pull up a movie on your machine and want to cast it over to the TV to watch and only getting a black screen because you didn't do the DRM dance correctly.
- giancarlostoro 2y agoPssst disable hardware acceleration.
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- Mindwipe 2y agoWhich, reasonably, significantly reduces your resolution.
- blibble 2y agothis is just the standard way the video overlay works
- wmf 2y agoIn the compositing world we probably shouldn't be using overlays anyway.
- rchaud 2y agoTeams is just several Edge webviews in a trenchcoat.
- int_19h 2y agoCoincidentally, this kind of thing is why you'll get 4K streaming on some browser/platform combinations but not the others. For example, Netflix will only give you 4K on Windows if you're using Edge or their own app.
- sneak 2y agoIf you torrent, you always get 4K, and VLC never has any issue with screenshots, either.
- wruza 2y agoYou also get that warm feeling from sharing with others, which is more than 4k and hdr combined. All we need is connection.
- mmh0000 2y agoYou'll also get an ad-free, offline first, non-tracked experience. Fly that black flag high!
- djfivyvusn 2y agoWhy I still torrent even while paying for Netflix, prime video, YouTube premium, Spotify and audible.
- selcuka 2y agoYes. Apparently Gabe Newell [1] was right: > We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. [1] https://www.escapistmagazine.com/Valves-Gabe-Newell-Says-Piracy-Is-a-Service-Problem/ https://www.escapistmagazine.com/Valves-Gabe-Newell-Says-Pir...
- chii 2y agoIt's a pricing to service ratio problem. Unfortunately, the corporations that own the copyright thinks the price is zero for piracy, when it in actual fact, isn't "truly" zero. The fact of the matter is, these copyright owning entities want to extract the maximum amount of profit, rather than provide the lowest price, maximum service for the least cost. I'm glad there's piracy as a floor to how bad streaming can get.
- ViktorRay 2y agoYeah not many people know about this. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/30081 https://help.netflix.com/en/node/30081 This Netflix support page shows that 4K streaming is only available in the Edge web browser on Windows devices and in the Safari web browser on Mac devices. If you use Chrome or Firefox you get locked in to a lower resolution when using Netflix even if you are paying for 4K streaming.
- freehorse 2y agoCan you trick it with a different user agent? Most of the times websites put arbitrary restrictions like this, it works by changing user agent for me.
- phinnaeus 2y agoIn this case they're probably using browser-specific APIs to implement the DRM rather than naively detecting the UA and providing a higher quality stream.
- TeMPOraL 2y agoI have a feeling it's eventually going to be possible to work around this by setting up live AI upscaling to 4k - should be a year or two before that starts to work in real-time on higher-end gamer GPU. (Of course I suspect DRM will then get extended deeper into the GPU.)
- gruez 2y agoHDCP already encrypts everything starting from video decoding to the signals being sent to the monitor. It really can't get "deeper" than that, other than maybe fixing whatever current vulnerabilities pirates are using to bypass it.
- TeMPOraL 2y agoThen it'll get re-extended to 1080p again? Point being, I can see live 1080p to 4k upscale via generative AI becoming a feasible alternative to watching the original 4k stream where DRM prevents you from accessing the latter.
- Dylan16807 2y ago> Netflix allows 1080p with weak DRM but requires strong DRM for 4k. Well that's an improvement from when some browsers on Windows got 720p. Apparently that changed about six months ago. But it's still 720p for most browsers on Linux. Huh.
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- TingPing 2y agoIt works fine in Linux, the limit is artificial. Multiple extensions fix it like https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/netflux/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/netflux/
- ForTheKidz 2y agoCan you watch netflix on edge in a VM? I'd guess you can't as VMs likely don't have HDCP for their virtual devices.
- Mindwipe 2y agoOnly in SD. Though in some cases a VM can enforce HDCP.