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"As a US citizen horrified by the people that voted for Trump" Congratulations, you've been successfully propagandized to a point where you view people who don

by JPKab 2y ago

"As a US citizen horrified by the people that voted for Trump" Congratulations, you've been successfully propagandized to a point where you view people who don't vote the way you do as morally inferior. I'm sure that will help you persuade them in the future. "This administration is shaping up to be self-immolation covered by the veneer of strength, for people that don't understand what strength is." Oh, so you know what strength is huh? Did you ever serve in the military? Do you even have friends who did? Interesting that you ignore the fact that the previous president was mentally incapable of the job for increasingly long intervals as his term progressed, and was so incompetent on the Afghanistan withdrawal that he projected tremendous weakness that acted as an invite for Putin to launch a full scale assault less than a year later. Biden did nothing for Silicon Valley, other than try to regulate AI to a point where only a small handful of massive companies had foundation models. Marc Andreesen didn't support Trump until AFTER the Biden administration bureaucrats met with him and told him they would ensure that they would only allow a small handful of foundation AI companies that they tightly regulated to exist. He was so horrified that he switched over. The moral inversion it takes to claim that the people willing to stand agains the Valley's intense social conformity "weak" is also revealing about how brainwashed you truly are. You're just part of the mob, and if you lived in a super conservative place, you'd be part of that mob too. Freethinking requires courage, and I see none of it in the typical SV limousine liberal. Just a bunch of millionaires who hate the billionaires they envy.

etc-hosts 2y ago
I thought Andreesen on the surface publicly "heel turned" because the Biden administration and SEC made some really weak motions at regulating cryptocurrencies. I believe Andreesen's words were "CRYPTO REGULATION TERROR REGIME", or something like that. Every day there is a bigger and bigger crypto token scam becoming public, not always but sometimes involving the most powerful person in the United States.
pedalpete 2y ago
JP, the tone of your answer actually jumps to all the conclusions, and name calling. Epi just said "he was horrified", he did not in any way suggest that the people who voted for Trump were inferior. Having said that, Biden was a pretty crap and useless leader. That doesn't mean the opposite of Biden is doing better. At least Biden did fairly minimal damage with his inaction. Do I disagree with Biden's take on AI? Sure, but did they actually have any teeth to stop progress? China's progress in AI proves not. You were very quick to blame others for being successfully propagandized. I suggest you point the same magnifying glass on yourself. We dislike in others what we see in ourselves.
- DamnYuppie 2y ago
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  - AlecSchueler 2y ago
    Can we recognise how bad of a look it is to be calling people "illegals" while your leaders are giving Nazi salutes, opening concentration camps and referring to people on welfare as parasites? I don't think any of us should be engaging with such violently charged language anymore. By all means have the discussion respectfully but it's distressing to see people continue with this dehumanising language while the rest of us look on in horror.
    - DamnYuppie 2y ago
      I don't agree that it is a bad look. People on welfare are taking from the system and people who cross our borders and enter and stay in our country without visas are illegal. People who look at such things with "horror" dehumanize the conversation by refusing to admit the harsh truths of the world. It is like they bathe themselves in weakness and virtue signaling. They hide from how cruel the world is and try to bring everything down to some tame level that doesn't exist solely so they can control the discourse.
      - saagarjha 2y ago
        You can help make the world a less cruel place.
        DamnYuppie 2y ago
        Yes, but making the world a less cruel place requires strength—strength of purpose, strength of character, and intellectual strength to have hard conversations about hard realities. We don’t reduce cruelty by ignoring the harm done by those who break the law. The people you defend are not victims—they are the ones making life harder for others, whether it’s overwhelming social services, committing crimes, or undercutting legal immigrants who followed the rules. We don’t fight cruelty by sanitizing language or pretending reality isn’t what it is. We fight it by acknowledging hard truths and having the courage to address them honestly, not emotionally.
rfrey 2y ago
You elected a mad king who is intent on tearing down the alliances that have made the US prosper over the last 80 years. I don't think your parent is the one who is brainwashed. Embracing tyranny is only "courageous free thinking" in a fever dream.
- aparticulate 2y ago
  You don’t think there has been mad kings in the last 80 years? You think the Iraq/Afghanistan dalliances were not inherently domination oriented? JFK was killed for specific reasons that you can look up if you at all curious.
  - tempestn 2y ago
    What does this even mean? Yes, the Iraq war was terrible. That doesn't make Trump any better.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    Nixon's administration is sill within 60 years old, so of course this isn't the only attempt in 80 years. Sad part was we were actually good at shaming corruption back then. Not sure what happened to make us complacent to daily Watergate+ level scaandals.
hello_moto 2y ago
> Marc Andreesen didn't support Trump until AFTER the Biden administration bureaucrats met with him and told him they would ensure that they would only allow a small handful of foundation AI companies that they tightly regulated to exist. He was so horrified that he switched over. a16z investments are mostly Cryptos and some AIs. Andreesen loves Crypto and he hates that it's being regulated like mad (cause tons of scamming going on).
- fallingknife 2y ago
  Tons of scamming goes on over email too and we don't respond by shutting down email services
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    We don't shut down crypto, either. But if you scam people via crypto, then there are penalties, the same as there are for sending scams over email.
  - hello_moto 2y ago
    Coinbase is still operating.
    - fallingknife 2y ago
      The Biden admin tried to shut them down by suing them for being an unlicensed security exchange. And they did this even though the only time the issue has been ruled on by a judge it was determined that crypto is not a security.
      - hello_moto 2y ago
        Oh good, checks and balances work, unlike the current Admin
- isthatafact 2y ago
  >>> Marc Andreesen didn't support Trump until AFTER the Biden administration bureaucrats met with him and told him they would ensure that they would only allow a small handful of foundation AI companies that they tightly regulated to exist. He was so horrified that he switched over. That is the claim from Andreessen, and the way he told it sounded rather far-fetched. Has anyone else confirmed it? Andreessen also claims (see Joe Rogan interview) that the US nuclear weapons testing program was some elaborate fake complete with fake movies of nuclear bomb tests. When someone makes such ludicrous claims, I tend to doubt anything else they say.
intermerda 2y ago
> Congratulations, you've been successfully propagandized to a point where you view people who don't vote the way you do as morally inferior. Where did they say anything about moral inferiority? > I'm sure that will help you persuade them in the future. Why does this argument only work in one direction? Why can the conservatives mock liberals, "coastal elites", blue cities and states, and more than half of America endlessly and still win? Why > Interesting that you ignore the fact that the previous president was mentally incapable of the job for increasingly long intervals as his term progressed, and was so incompetent on the Afghanistan withdrawal that he projected tremendous weakness that acted as an invite for Putin to launch a full scale assault less than a year later. Ironic you talk about "successfully propagandized" earlier and are regurgitating right wing talking points. > The moral inversion it takes to claim that the people willing to stand agains the Valley's intense social conformity "weak" is also revealing about how brainwashed you truly are. You're just part of the mob, and if you lived in a super conservative place, you'd be part of that mob too. Freethinking requires courage, and I see none of it in the typical SV limousine liberal. Just a bunch of millionaires who hate the billionaires they envy. It takes special kind of mental gymnastics to end up supporting murderous dictators while talking about "free thinkers", "moral inversion", and "brainwashing". What did they teach you next, whatabouttism?
junon 2y ago
I hate Trump because I'm not propagandized. I no longer have any patience for pro-Trump rhetoric tbh. He's going to get a lot of people killed. Embarrassed to be an American today. You're on the wrong side of history.
- aparticulate 2y ago
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  - junon 2y ago
    Holy shit I don't even know where to begin with you people. Whataboutism is wild, you can't see dictatorship staring you in the fucking face. The US is doomed if you seriously believe the crap you spew out onto the internet.
    - aparticulate 2y ago
      “whataboutism” is a weak and recent phrase that means literally nothing. Please engage with specifics. Most Americans would not agree with a 1939 “ascendant dictator in America” narrative and yet you do. I wonder how the “you people” strategy works in your brain? I do not think of HN audience as separate to “my” people. Silly that you do the inverse.
      - johnnyanmac 2y ago
        >Most Americans would not agree with a 1939 “ascendant dictator in America” narrative and yet you do. Yes, I'm sure of that. Just as Germans in 1939 would also not agree with an "Ascendent dictator of Germany". `People are pretty good a rejecting inconvinent realities when they're moral compass is on the line. >I do not think of HN audience as separate to “my” people. And this is just a dishonest argument. Let's not play coy, thank you.
        aparticulate 2y ago
        Fascist prez didn't really ring well with USA voters during Kamala loss so I expect "you" people to just kind of burn out on the whole strategy. Simply the most likely scenario. The majority of the US voted for a fascist? Just reeks of midwit thinking to most people.
invalidname 2y ago
Thanks for giving a different perspective here. Unfortunately, I have to respectively disagree. > was so incompetent on the Afghanistan withdrawal That was based on a deal Trump made with the Taliban. I don't know if Trump would have botched it too. I would put that on Bush who f*ed up that war completely. But ultimately it boils down to the moral inability of Americans to fight an uneven war. The problem here is the appeasement policy that unfortunately both sides suffer from. > projected tremendous weakness I think that's overblown. There are cases where it was true and others (such as Ukraine) where Biden showed how he can hold back Russia without risking a single US soldier. That was pretty good. > Biden did nothing for Silicon Valley The CHIPS act? Intel etc. got a ton of money. Battery manufacturing moved back to the states with multiple factories opening up. He brought back manufacturing to the USA and gave a lot in that sense. The fact that he kept policies going (no tariffs etc.) was a huge benefit to tech which relies on stability and globalization. > Freethinking requires courage, and I see none of it in the typical SV limousine liberal. I think using language like that goes counter to free thinking. I despise Trump as a person, but I accept that some of the policies and stances aren't wrong. Unfortunately, discourse is at a level where we can't even have adult conversations on the issues without name-calling.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
If you wish to discuss the topic, I'll happily explain every reason I hate the current administration. Of which there is many, and of which is bound in ojective stories I can point to with sources. If you wish to instead accuse me of propaganda with no basis, thanks for justiying one of the reasons I hate the administration and their supporters. Mud slinging doesn't interest me in this day and age and your entire rant is not only baseless but has so many holes and inaccuracies that I'd recommend reading your history before trying to re-write such statements. .
canadiantim 2y ago
This is exactly on point, thank you for saying it.

by JPKab 2y ago

etc-hosts 2y ago

I thought Andreesen on the surface publicly "heel turned" because the Biden administration and SEC made some really weak motions at regulating cryptocurrencies. I believe Andreesen's words were "CRYPTO REGULATION TERROR REGIME", or something like that. Every day there is a bigger and bigger crypto token scam becoming public, not always but sometimes involving the most powerful person in the United States.

pedalpete 2y ago

JP, the tone of your answer actually jumps to all the conclusions, and name calling. Epi just said "he was horrified", he did not in any way suggest that the people who voted for Trump were inferior. Having said that, Biden was a pretty crap and useless leader. That doesn't mean the opposite of Biden is doing better. At least Biden did fairly minimal damage with his inaction. Do I disagree with Biden's take on AI? Sure, but did they actually have any teeth to stop progress? China's progress in AI proves not. You were very quick to blame others for being successfully propagandized. I suggest you point the same magnifying glass on yourself. We dislike in others what we see in ourselves.

DamnYuppie 2y ago
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- AlecSchueler 2y ago
  Can we recognise how bad of a look it is to be calling people "illegals" while your leaders are giving Nazi salutes, opening concentration camps and referring to people on welfare as parasites? I don't think any of us should be engaging with such violently charged language anymore. By all means have the discussion respectfully but it's distressing to see people continue with this dehumanising language while the rest of us look on in horror.
  - DamnYuppie 2y ago
    I don't agree that it is a bad look. People on welfare are taking from the system and people who cross our borders and enter and stay in our country without visas are illegal. People who look at such things with "horror" dehumanize the conversation by refusing to admit the harsh truths of the world. It is like they bathe themselves in weakness and virtue signaling. They hide from how cruel the world is and try to bring everything down to some tame level that doesn't exist solely so they can control the discourse.
    - saagarjha 2y ago
      You can help make the world a less cruel place.
      - DamnYuppie 2y ago
        Yes, but making the world a less cruel place requires strength—strength of purpose, strength of character, and intellectual strength to have hard conversations about hard realities. We don’t reduce cruelty by ignoring the harm done by those who break the law. The people you defend are not victims—they are the ones making life harder for others, whether it’s overwhelming social services, committing crimes, or undercutting legal immigrants who followed the rules. We don’t fight cruelty by sanitizing language or pretending reality isn’t what it is. We fight it by acknowledging hard truths and having the courage to address them honestly, not emotionally.

rfrey 2y ago

You elected a mad king who is intent on tearing down the alliances that have made the US prosper over the last 80 years. I don't think your parent is the one who is brainwashed. Embracing tyranny is only "courageous free thinking" in a fever dream.

aparticulate 2y ago
You don’t think there has been mad kings in the last 80 years? You think the Iraq/Afghanistan dalliances were not inherently domination oriented? JFK was killed for specific reasons that you can look up if you at all curious.
- tempestn 2y ago
  What does this even mean? Yes, the Iraq war was terrible. That doesn't make Trump any better.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  Nixon's administration is sill within 60 years old, so of course this isn't the only attempt in 80 years. Sad part was we were actually good at shaming corruption back then. Not sure what happened to make us complacent to daily Watergate+ level scaandals.

hello_moto 2y ago

> Marc Andreesen didn't support Trump until AFTER the Biden administration bureaucrats met with him and told him they would ensure that they would only allow a small handful of foundation AI companies that they tightly regulated to exist. He was so horrified that he switched over. a16z investments are mostly Cryptos and some AIs. Andreesen loves Crypto and he hates that it's being regulated like mad (cause tons of scamming going on).

fallingknife 2y ago
Tons of scamming goes on over email too and we don't respond by shutting down email services
- saagarjha 2y ago
  We don't shut down crypto, either. But if you scam people via crypto, then there are penalties, the same as there are for sending scams over email.
- hello_moto 2y ago
  Coinbase is still operating.
  - fallingknife 2y ago
    The Biden admin tried to shut them down by suing them for being an unlicensed security exchange. And they did this even though the only time the issue has been ruled on by a judge it was determined that crypto is not a security.
    - hello_moto 2y ago
      Oh good, checks and balances work, unlike the current Admin
isthatafact 2y ago
>>> Marc Andreesen didn't support Trump until AFTER the Biden administration bureaucrats met with him and told him they would ensure that they would only allow a small handful of foundation AI companies that they tightly regulated to exist. He was so horrified that he switched over. That is the claim from Andreessen, and the way he told it sounded rather far-fetched. Has anyone else confirmed it? Andreessen also claims (see Joe Rogan interview) that the US nuclear weapons testing program was some elaborate fake complete with fake movies of nuclear bomb tests. When someone makes such ludicrous claims, I tend to doubt anything else they say.

intermerda 2y ago

> Congratulations, you've been successfully propagandized to a point where you view people who don't vote the way you do as morally inferior. Where did they say anything about moral inferiority? > I'm sure that will help you persuade them in the future. Why does this argument only work in one direction? Why can the conservatives mock liberals, "coastal elites", blue cities and states, and more than half of America endlessly and still win? Why > Interesting that you ignore the fact that the previous president was mentally incapable of the job for increasingly long intervals as his term progressed, and was so incompetent on the Afghanistan withdrawal that he projected tremendous weakness that acted as an invite for Putin to launch a full scale assault less than a year later. Ironic you talk about "successfully propagandized" earlier and are regurgitating right wing talking points. > The moral inversion it takes to claim that the people willing to stand agains the Valley's intense social conformity "weak" is also revealing about how brainwashed you truly are. You're just part of the mob, and if you lived in a super conservative place, you'd be part of that mob too. Freethinking requires courage, and I see none of it in the typical SV limousine liberal. Just a bunch of millionaires who hate the billionaires they envy. It takes special kind of mental gymnastics to end up supporting murderous dictators while talking about "free thinkers", "moral inversion", and "brainwashing". What did they teach you next, whatabouttism?

junon 2y ago

I hate Trump because I'm not propagandized. I no longer have any patience for pro-Trump rhetoric tbh. He's going to get a lot of people killed. Embarrassed to be an American today. You're on the wrong side of history.

aparticulate 2y ago
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- junon 2y ago
  Holy shit I don't even know where to begin with you people. Whataboutism is wild, you can't see dictatorship staring you in the fucking face. The US is doomed if you seriously believe the crap you spew out onto the internet.
  - aparticulate 2y ago
    “whataboutism” is a weak and recent phrase that means literally nothing. Please engage with specifics. Most Americans would not agree with a 1939 “ascendant dictator in America” narrative and yet you do. I wonder how the “you people” strategy works in your brain? I do not think of HN audience as separate to “my” people. Silly that you do the inverse.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      >Most Americans would not agree with a 1939 “ascendant dictator in America” narrative and yet you do. Yes, I'm sure of that. Just as Germans in 1939 would also not agree with an "Ascendent dictator of Germany". `People are pretty good a rejecting inconvinent realities when they're moral compass is on the line. >I do not think of HN audience as separate to “my” people. And this is just a dishonest argument. Let's not play coy, thank you.
      - aparticulate 2y ago
        Fascist prez didn't really ring well with USA voters during Kamala loss so I expect "you" people to just kind of burn out on the whole strategy. Simply the most likely scenario. The majority of the US voted for a fascist? Just reeks of midwit thinking to most people.

invalidname 2y ago

Thanks for giving a different perspective here. Unfortunately, I have to respectively disagree. > was so incompetent on the Afghanistan withdrawal That was based on a deal Trump made with the Taliban. I don't know if Trump would have botched it too. I would put that on Bush who f*ed up that war completely. But ultimately it boils down to the moral inability of Americans to fight an uneven war. The problem here is the appeasement policy that unfortunately both sides suffer from. > projected tremendous weakness I think that's overblown. There are cases where it was true and others (such as Ukraine) where Biden showed how he can hold back Russia without risking a single US soldier. That was pretty good. > Biden did nothing for Silicon Valley The CHIPS act? Intel etc. got a ton of money. Battery manufacturing moved back to the states with multiple factories opening up. He brought back manufacturing to the USA and gave a lot in that sense. The fact that he kept policies going (no tariffs etc.) was a huge benefit to tech which relies on stability and globalization. > Freethinking requires courage, and I see none of it in the typical SV limousine liberal. I think using language like that goes counter to free thinking. I despise Trump as a person, but I accept that some of the policies and stances aren't wrong. Unfortunately, discourse is at a level where we can't even have adult conversations on the issues without name-calling.

johnnyanmac 2y ago

If you wish to discuss the topic, I'll happily explain every reason I hate the current administration. Of which there is many, and of which is bound in ojective stories I can point to with sources. If you wish to instead accuse me of propaganda with no basis, thanks for justiying one of the reasons I hate the administration and their supporters. Mud slinging doesn't interest me in this day and age and your entire rant is not only baseless but has so many holes and inaccuracies that I'd recommend reading your history before trying to re-write such statements. .

canadiantim 2y ago

This is exactly on point, thank you for saying it.