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Russia seems to own the far right mindspace to a large degree, and I’m sure they’ve spent a large amount of resources for many years shaping those perspectives
by Chance-Device 2y ago
Russia seems to own the far right mindspace to a large degree, and I’m sure they’ve spent a large amount of resources for many years shaping those perspectives and narratives to suit themselves.
I also suspect that Russia has been causing the very problems that the far right reacts against, most notably immigration. Remember wirecard? Germany’s fintech darling, which was run by Jan Marsalek, who turned out to be a Russian spy? What was one of the things they were doing? Funding people smuggling into Europe. To strengthen the right that Russia owns.
https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-wirecard-marsalek-spy/32844424.html https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-wirecard-marsalek-spy/32844...
They’ve been directly disrupting the west while controlling those who offer the “solution”.
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- onlyrealcuzzo 2y agoChecks out - Russia is the country you end up with when you have the far right's ideology.
- spwa4 2y agoI don't understand why the focus on one side? Russia was caught financing extreme-left parties, religious parties (including hamas, isis and hezbollah), conservative parties (moderate and extreme), rebels, terrorists ... Certainly seems Russia has no ideology they care about beyond "sabotage states", with some priority on western states, but certainly not just western states. They fund political parties in ex-Yugoslavia that are LITERALLY at each other's throats (with knives and guns, not with protests and shouting). They're sowing chaos wherever they can, however they can. Priority seems to be on the UK, Brussels/EU and the US, but it's not like they're not doing it in places like Rwanda as well. Whether that means supporting extreme-left, extreme right, or just whoever is willing to turn guns on the police or some ethnic group they hate, Russia/Putin just doesn't care. Hell, daesh/isis got funding from Russia, killed 145 Russians in Moscow ... and Russia funded them again, after blaming Ukraine for the attack. They just don't care.
- n4r9 2y agoSowing chaos in foreign blocs is a classic far-right manoeuvre.
- kadushka 2y agoIronically, Soviet Union was the product of the far left ideology.
- throwawayq3423 2y agoTrump represents a short term "win" for Russia, but Russia in the medium/long term is as screwed as you can be as a country.
- 2muchcoffeeman 2y agoI bet you can do a lot of damage in 4 years. Not to mention if Trump tries to run for an unconstitutional 3rd term.
- 4ndrewl 2y agoYou actually think there are going to be elections again?
- thijsvandien 2y agoWhy not? Russia has elections too.
- 4ndrewl 2y agotouche!
- throwawayq3423 2y agoEven if Trump doesn't run again, Vance will, he'll declare victory no matter what happens, and Trumpism will have another opportunity to coup the government after failing and learning from their mistakes the first time.
- doublerabbit 2y agoWith what David Cameron and Boris Johnston did with us in the uk. Brexit. A lot in four years. Labour is doing no better.
- Sohcahtoa82 2y agoThat'll end up being the real test of whether or not we still have checks and balances.
- nonameiguess 2y agoAlso the Muslim refugees flooding Europe crisis has largely been a result of the Syrian civil war, with Russia being the main and mostly only ally of Bashar al-Assad. Supposedly, motivation there was Putin not wanting to lose his only ally in the region left after Gaddafi was murdered, not so much an intentional effort to destabilize Europe, but hey, it worked out, I guess.
- jisnsm 2y agoYeah… who dares interfere with US intervention of a country?!
- pineaux 2y agorussia voted for or abstained from voting about the intervention in Libya if i remember correctly
- pan69 2y agoDidn't the disintegration of Libya also not play a big part to start the refugee crisis? Someone explained to me once that once Gaddafi was gone and Libya became a fractured state, that it essentially became a refugee gateway into the Mediterranean as previously that "band" of North African countries (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt) where acting as a buffer preventing refugees from African countries to move Northwards.
- Chance-Device 2y agoWhat’s the phrase, never let a good crisis go to waste?
- submeta 2y agoIt was qctually Israel that wanted to destroy an ally of Iran and weaken Iran. Russia was only defending his ally. It was not driving the conflict.
- somanyphotons 2y agoI think it's because the really wanted to keep their navy base in syria
- echelon 2y agoDoes anyone have any information on the whole "Krasnov" claim, whereby Trump was supposedly recruited by the KGB in the 80's and given the designation "Krasnov"?
- triyambakam 2y agohttps://www.kyivpost.com/post/47630 https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47630
- anigbrowl 2y agoIt's pointless to ask. Either you believe the story or you don't, but it's not like you can send a FOIA request to the FSB. It's doomed to remain a single-source allegation, even though I find the claim plausible.
- jimbob45 2y agoAs plausible as the pee tape?
- margalabargala 2y agoNo one is going to comment here wit any information that isn't trivially findable via google.
- Muromec 2y agoIt would be beneficial to russia to spread such claims to sabotage US even further even if it's not real. The problem right now -- you can't be 100% sure that it's not. It was believable even before the claim was made.
- dboreham 2y agoThere have been multiple books written about this, leaks from MI6, etc etc. It's not at all new and doesn't seem to have been debunked, just kind of glossed over.
- UncleOxidant 2y agoAbsolutely no way it can be proven. However, the actions of "Krasnov" certainly seem to point in that direction.
- triyambakam 2y agoI'm skeptical that it is only the Right. Maybe predominantly, or more explicitly, but anyone wanting power and control on either side would want to sell themselves out, too.
- mrtesthah 2y agoOh, you mean people like Jill Stein? Sure. Notably, she has never been part of the mainstream left. https://archive.thinkprogress.org/jill-stein-campaign-russia-ecf424ac3b7e/ https://archive.thinkprogress.org/jill-stein-campaign-russia... https://www.salon.com/2024/09/23/jill-stein-paid-100000-to-a-consulting-firm-led-by-a-suspected-january-6-rioter https://www.salon.com/2024/09/23/jill-stein-paid-100000-to-a... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/russians-launched-pro-jill-stein-social-media-blitz-help-trump-n951166 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/russians-... https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/democracy-now/clip/why-jill-stein-attended-moscow-dinner-with-putin-and-flynn https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/democracy-now/clip/why-jill-s...
- sReinwald 2y agoIt is not only targeting the Right. I'd suggest that Russia isn't primarily interested in bolstering the right specifically. They are interested in dividing national societies as well international alliances along any possible ideological issue, effectively shattering the entire thing - divide et impera. You can see some indication of this in the Mueller report on Russia's election interference in the US, and the DOJ indictment against Prigozhin and his Internet Research Agency troll factory. They kept playing both sides: pushing Facebook groups that were strong pro racial justice & BLM while also pushing pro cop / back the blue Facebook groups. At some point, they scheduled protests for both sides of this particular issue at the same time and place, clearly hoping for altercations. But I think it's safe to say that, at least in the US, their efforts seem to have mainly focused on the Republican side. However, here in Germany, both the populist far-right AfD and the populist far-left political Party BSW around former Linke politician Sarah Wagenknecht are very much aligned with Russian interests: https://www.dw.com/en/russias-best-friends-in-germany-afd-and-bsw/a-70072663 https://www.dw.com/en/russias-best-friends-in-germany-afd-an...
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- agumonkey 2y agoI'm still dumbfounded how this era gave rise to the emergence of stable long-term bs narratives across all society. Russia leverages gullibility a lot but surely there's other factors at play.
- gjsman-1000 2y agoSimple. If I'm Russia, I would do everything I could to directly fund every pacifist academic possible, and literally anything that bogs things down, especially if it gives moral fuzzies on paper. Nothing is more useful than something that wastes time, increases complexity, while being tied into morals and worldview, causing it to be impossible to question why or where the push is coming from. "Put your guard down, there's no credible threat." "Gender equality in the military? Expensive, complicated - do it!" "Additional rules for soldiers? Expensive, complicated - do it!" "Do we really need a military this large? Nah, downsize!" "The US would never not follow their promises, real or implied." "The UN is a powerful and effective safeguarding body; trust them." "International law is a powerful and effective deterrent against invasions." "Maybe the military should be focused on more civilian improvement activities." "Can we start researching whether we could be a post-militarized society?"
- dragonwriter 2y ago> Simple. If I'm Russia, I would do everything I could to directly fund every pacifist academic possible, and literally anything that bogs things down, especially if it gives moral fuzzies on paper. And they tried that, and never really gave up on it, but the real big returns came when they started funding of the international white supremacy and far right movements.
- pjc50 2y agoRemember Maria Butina, Russian spy in the NRA?
- spiderfarmer 2y agoRemember the 7 compromised GOP senators members visiting Moscow on independence day uncomfortably posing for a photo op?
- etc-hosts 2y agoShe was actually mentored and funded by real life Pro Gun Ownership guys in Russia. mass civilian gun ownership is not a thing in Russia, but they were inspired by the NRA's example and were trying.
- coliveira 2y agoNo one has made more to increase the number of refugees from the middle east than the country who has fought endless wars in the middle east for the last decades. If you're looking for a "culprit" there you have one, but Europe is not ready to accept this.
- slt2021 2y agoall middle eastern forever wars are part of the Netanyahu’s Clean Break strategy that US implements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm#:~:text=Sachs%20explained%20further%20that%20%22Clean,doesn't%20like%20it%22. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_...
- simion314 2y agoI remember Ruzzia in Syria too not only USA in fact how many wars was Ruzzia involved sicne USSR fall? Also count special operations as wars? I blame both USA and Ruzzia for the migrants problem.
- slt2021 2y agomost of the European and US refugees are due to American forever wars in support for Israeli "clean break" strategy by Netanyahu. Please don't try to put the blame on Russia, where it squarely belongs to the USA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_...
- dralley 2y agoSyria is very much Russia's conflict.
- slt2021 2y agogo to wikipedia and read the history of Syrian conflict and how many years after it started, did Russia intervene
- dralley 2y agoYou're thinking about intervention as if it means direct military involvement. They were allied with Assad and supplying weapons the entire time.
- slt2021 2y agoSupplying weapons to whom? It was bona fide weapons purchases program from one state to another, like all other states procure their weapons. Syrian war was civil war financed by the NED, USAID and other US entities to topple Assad, like they did in other arab spring states. It took several years of civil war and unsuccessful bombing of civilians by Barry Soetoro, unsuccessful funding of various jihadi groups by the Pentagon and CIA (separately), the same groups that led to the rise of ISIS. Only then by the request from then president Assad, did Russia help with strikes against ISIS
- ceejayoz 2y agoGood call! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Syria_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Syria_relations > an agreement was signed in February 1946 ensuring Soviet support for Syrian independence ahead of the evacuation of French troops in April 1946 > In 1971, under an agreement with President Hafez al-Assad, the Soviet Union opened its naval military base in Tartus > On 8 October 1980, Syria and the Soviet Union signed a Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation So, "how many years after it started" appears to be a negative number.
- sReinwald 2y ago> I also suspect that Russia has been causing the very problems that the far right reacts against, most notably immigration. They absolutely are. A large portion of immigrants into Europe originate from countries suffering from conflicts that Russia has a big hand in. The big one, of course, being Syria, but also many African nations where the Wagner group, now effectively re-branded as the Russian Africa Corps are providing military support and protection. Another big aspect of Russia facilitating immigration into Europe, is the immigration route through Belarus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93European_Union_border_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93European_Union...
- etc-hosts 2y agoRussia has their base in Syria but the US has been trying to destroy Syria through covert and non covert means since at least 1982. Russia is newcomer to Syria conflict.
- LarsDu88 2y agoI sometimes wonder whether the sudden rise of "gender politics"... is all part of some sort of conrolled oppopsition narrative. "Gender politics" is used heavily within Russia to provide a contrast to "masculine traditional values" which in turn are used to convince 100,000s of men to (quite ironically) be turned into cannon fodder against Russia's real or perceived enemies. And even more ironically is used by security services and the military in the form of rape against (male) political dissidents and soldiers.
- moritz64 2y agoI know about Wirecard and the Marsalek story, but not about this: > Wirecard [...] Funding people smuggling into Europe Can you elaborate?