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I got this weird dissonance - like this was a science from a TV show about the White House, because no-one, I mean no-one would ever do that inpublic. Apart fro
by lifeisstillgood 2y ago
I got this weird dissonance - like this was a science from a TV show about the White House, because no-one, I mean no-one would ever do that inpublic. Apart from common courtesy, even basic management training says praise in public, criticise in private.
Just doing this in front of the world’s media … it’s hard to understand
- pjc50 2y agoThe public bullying is intentional.
- dygd 2y agoVery much so. Trump even said it, "This is good TV". What an embarrassment.
- swat535 2y agoAnd Zelensky ended up apologizing, rather quickly: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1895618072905384351 https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1895618072905384351 The whole thing was just sad to watch. Politics have hit a level of inanity unimaginable..
- zerocrates 2y agoEarlier in the same interview he's explicitly asked if he wants to apologize to Trump and says "no." Possibly a real-time softening but also "sorry for this [situation]" not really being the same as an apology. I wouldn't be very surprised if there was some thaw in relations that comes with an apology, smiling and making nice for the cameras. But I wouldn't be at all surprised at the reverse, particularly considering that Trump tendency to come down in Putin's corner.
- atoav 2y agoTrump should apologize and probably resign while we are at that. But the conservatives want all the good old times without the honor code that existed to some degree back then.
- hayst4ck 2y ago> it’s hard to understand It's not. If you're a remotely rational American right now you are experiencing large amounts of grief. This is just the denial stage of grief.
- Trasmatta 2y agoI've been going through a huge amount of grief since the election. I thought I had moved onto acceptance, but anger keeps resurfacing.
- callc 2y agoStay strong, use this as a opportunity to become a better person. Just do the opposite of Trump / Musk, it will get you so close to being a saint.
- Trasmatta 2y agoI started by donating $100 to Ukraine just now.
- fransje26 2y agoCareful. The way things are evolving, this could soon be seen as financing of a "terrorist state". Make sure you cover your traces.
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- drusenko 2y agoYou’re not wrong, but also, please stop spreading cowardly messages. Take appropriate precautions but don’t be preemptively compliant.
- ActorNightly 2y ago>Just do the opposite of Trump / Musk, it will get you so close to being a saint. yeah that didn't really work out that well with Kamala. Problem is, over half the country just doesn't give a shit. Its easy to lose yourself on places like Hacker News and Reddit and think this is the general sentiment, but in reality, on the average 8/10 people around you in US either didn't vote or voted for Trump.
- obelos 2y agoIt makes more sense when you interpret it as an attempt at humiliation, not diplomacy.
- checker659 2y agoAnd to fabricate consent, probably
- tdb7893 2y agoI'm less convinced this was planned because I've met people like this in real life. Criticizing someone for showing disrespect while being incredibly disrespectful yourself seems like abusive parent 101. Also, the fact they talk down to him about the war in Ukraine of all things is pretty shocking, like he wouldn't be there if he didn't understand the situation in Ukraine (it's not like he was there being extorted for minerals because he thinks things are going amazingly). It seems weird from a global policy perspective but on brand if you're just an asshole. Either way, truly an embarrassing day to be an American.
- dmix 2y agoYes I hope this wakes people up and inspires the country to elect sober thoughtful people again. I'm pretty cynical though so I've learned not to expect much from modern politics.
- tdb7893 2y agoOne thing that gives me hope is that politics has always been a mess (there are some times of stability but they never last forever). Though I think a big thing we need to do is strengthen democracy in the US, get rid of first past the post elections, gerrymandering, the necessity of large donors required for campaigns, unequal representation in Congress, etc. I think if we break the two-party system politics in the US would look better.
- peterbecich 2y agoRestructuring the elections, congressional seat allocation, etc. would require Constitutional amendments. Unlikely to happen. It is baked in the cake that individual votes are weighed unequally between the 50 states of the Republic. The only other way to do it would be an organic mass migration of voters that equalizes the population in all 50 states. The Census would eventually reflect this and the seats and electoral votes would be equal in all states, as I understand it. We already have a "third party" now in the sense the GOP is unrecognizable from 20 years ago; the old GOP died out, like the Whig Party.
- hd4 2y agoYeah it's incredible when the mask drops this far. Trump is a pathetic fuck, but this lines up with how he only ever plays to the domestic audience in advancing protectionist interests. We're feeling that dissonance because this kind of protectionist thinking is extremely rare, basically unheard of these days for world leaders.
- jorblumesea 2y agoYou're witnessing the collapse of American soft power, economic power, and our transition to an authoritarian isolationist state. Some of us accept it while others still have to grasp the situation. The death of the post cold war neoliberal world order and the death of the American century. to be replaced by... ?
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- wombatpm 2y agoAre we giving up our bases? Sending all personnel home, disbanding some brigades or a fleet? No? Then we are not saving any tax dollars. We’ve just made it more expensive to maintain our global empire.
- cbg0 2y agoEurope has always been willing to defend itself, but the US had interests in keeping EU dependent on the US for defense; It was a win-win because US could keep their large global sphere of influence and the EU could spend money on other things to benefit its citizens. The EU will soon announce major defense spending in partnership with the UK, and the US' large sphere of influence, as well as America's superpower status will continue to decline. Whether that's good or bad is yet to be seen, but the world will rebalance itself - China is already throwing money at places where USAID is no longer present to expand their influence.
- BLKNSLVR 2y agoThe thing that I find strange about it is that it's being pursued actively, from the inside, as opposed to it being forced on them by an stringer outside force (ie. China). The US has chosen to retract from it's global power and influence. Mind-blowing, except, kinda-sorta, for the fact that the effort is helmed by a (short-term thinking) businessman rather than a seasoned politician with familiarity with, or even the ability to consider, long term consequences of actions and decisions and the interplay of other countries and their leaders.
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- verisimi 2y ago> no-one, I mean no-one would ever do that inpublic I agree. It seemed to me like Zelensky initiated the public display. Both trump and jd Vance we also commenting on his inappropriate public statements.
- Sakos 2y ago"Grab her by the pussy" Trump and "childless cat ladies" JD Vance aren't really people to listen to on what statements are inappropriate.
- rich_sasha 2y agoI thought it looked like an episode of The Apprentice.
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- taberiand 2y agoYeah, and the emperor has no clothes
- userbinator 2y agoI think it's an act. They're putting on a show for Putin. There's that old saying about best friends and worst enemies...
- CraftingLinks 2y agoTrump called Zelensky a dictator in public, did he not? Zelensky, democratically elected, president of a democratic country, invaded by a tyran, a non-democratic and extreme anti-western attitude, was called a dictator. That is hard to understand, until you realise Trump tries to man-handle an extortion deal out of Ukrain...and now because the man doesn't bend over backwards he's disrespectful? That man showed a lot of courage in my book.
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- bjoli 2y agoPostponing elections during a war is nothing new, even in liberal democracies.
- TrapLord_Rhodo 2y agoi'm not saying it's anything new... i'm pointing out that if we view Zelenskyy’s role through a Roman lens, where the term dictator originates, his broad wartime powers—granted under martial law, with elections and normal governance suspended—mirror the temporary, crisis-driven authority of a Roman dictator.
- bjoli 2y agoWhy would we view him through a Roman lens with regards to a word used today in a modern context?
- TrapLord_Rhodo 2y agoBecause that's when the word was created and is the most applicable description of what zelensky is... What else would you call him?
- kragen 2y agoTrump said toward the end of it, "This is gonna make great television." Remember he's a reality TV show star, not a diplomat or politician.
- anonu 2y agoWhich is why Zelensky mishandled the event. He should have just kept his mouth shut in front of the media. Especially since he's not as articulate in English.