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> In a fireworks-filled public confrontation unlike any seen between an American president and foreign leader in modern times, Mr. Trump and Mr. Vance castigate

by duxup 2y ago

> In a fireworks-filled public confrontation unlike any seen between an American president and foreign leader in modern times, Mr. Trump and Mr. Vance castigated Mr. Zelensky for not being grateful enough for U.S. support in its war with Russia and sought to strong-arm him into making a peace deal on whatever terms the Americans dictate. Jebus, how do you screw up a photo op? Buch of children in the US executive branch. I suppose they think they look “strong” but it looks more insecure and incompetent to me.

techorange 2y ago
Unfortunately I think it plays well for their audience, makes Trump and Vance look strong, and makes Zelenksy look week.
- drawkward 2y ago
  MMA-based diplomacy.
  - techorange 2y ago
    Yeah, I watched as much of the video as I could, and I can totally see this playing well with all the conservatives I know. JD Vance and Trump come off as strong, and Zelensky comes off as weak.
    - kadoban 2y ago
      That's not what strength looks like, but the American right-wing probably will think it is.
    - senordevnyc 2y ago
      No, they come off as weak little babies whining about someone not saying thank you.
      - techorange 2y ago
        Who are you telling, but they're not playing to us.
    - matwood 2y ago
      The only one who looked strong was zelensky to me. But I’m sure the maga base will eat this up and oddly are pro Russia now.
      - techorange 2y ago
        It's funny, I mean I don't know the exact divide between MAGA and trad Republicans, but the trad Republicans I know have been the ones to turn pro-Russia. There definitely seems to be a split in /r/conservative.
    - JKCalhoun 2y ago
      Cue the super-cut of Zelensky thanking the U.S. since probably December 2022.
  - bee_rider 2y ago
    More like WWE
    - soared 2y ago
      More like department of education.
- acdha 2y ago
  He made his priority pretty clear in that regard: > Shortly before the meeting ended, Trump offered, “This is going to be great television.” https://apnews.com/article/zelenskyy-security-guarantees-trump-meeting-washington-eebdf97b663c2cdc9e51fa346b09591d https://apnews.com/article/zelenskyy-security-guarantees-tru...
  - randcraw 2y ago
    If there was ever proof that Trump is just a troll, this is it. Annoy the room just so you can't be overlooked, no matter how much you deserve to be.
ipython 2y ago
Trump & Vance didn't screw it up- this was on purpose. As the saying goes, "the cruelty is the point"
- duxup 2y ago
  I'm going with the idea that it is screwed up, even if intentional.
  - JKCalhoun 2y ago
    Yeah, pretty sure history will be the judge as to whether this was a colossal screwup.
pell 2y ago
>Buch of children in the US executive branch. The intended audience is eating this up. If you go to conservative spaces, NATO now is considered a rip off, the EU was apparently designed to hurt the US, Zelensky is a dictator, etc.
- baq 2y ago
  FSB psyops directorate is celebrating so hard they won’t get sober until next Tuesday.
- amarcheschi 2y ago
  /r/conservative is truly interesting. Not American, but i guess that most past us president would cream at the vague thought of making Russia loose soldiers and equipment with just helping a third country, without loosing soldiers
  - drawkward 2y ago
    Well, what we have now is manifestly not conservatism. I would argue it is Yarvinism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin "In his blog Unqualified Reservations, which he wrote from 2007 to 2014, and in his later newsletter Gray Mirror, which he started in 2020, he argues that American democracy is a failed experiment[5] that should be replaced by an accountable monarchy, similar to the governance structure of corporations.[6] In 2002, Yarvin began work on a personal software project that eventually became the Urbit networked computing platform. In 2013, he co-founded the company Tlon to oversee the Urbit project and helped lead it until 2019.[7] Yarvin has been described as a "neo-reactionary", "neo-monarchist" and "neo-feudalist" who "sees liberalism as creating a Matrix-like totalitarian system, and who wants to replace American democracy with a sort of techno-monarchy".[8][9][10][11] He has defended the institution of slavery, and has suggested that certain races may be more naturally inclined toward servitude than others.[12][13] He has claimed that whites have higher IQs than black people, but does not consider himself a white nationalist. He is a critic of US civil rights programs, and has called the civil rights movement a "black-rage industry".[14] Yarvin has influenced some prominent Silicon Valley investors and Republican politicians, with venture capitalist Peter Thiel described as his "most important connection".[15] Political strategist Steve Bannon has read and admired his work.[16] U.S. Vice President JD Vance "has cited Yarvin as an influence himself."[17][18][19] Michael Anton, the State Department Director of Policy Planning during Trump's second presidency, has also discussed Yarvin's ideas.[20] In January 2025, Yarvin attended a Trump inaugural gala in Washington; Politico reported he was "an informal guest of honor" due to his "outsize influence over the Trumpian right."[21]"
tim333 2y ago
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by duxup 2y ago

techorange 2y ago

Unfortunately I think it plays well for their audience, makes Trump and Vance look strong, and makes Zelenksy look week.

drawkward 2y ago
MMA-based diplomacy.
- techorange 2y ago
  Yeah, I watched as much of the video as I could, and I can totally see this playing well with all the conservatives I know. JD Vance and Trump come off as strong, and Zelensky comes off as weak.
  - kadoban 2y ago
    That's not what strength looks like, but the American right-wing probably will think it is.
  - senordevnyc 2y ago
    No, they come off as weak little babies whining about someone not saying thank you.
    - techorange 2y ago
      Who are you telling, but they're not playing to us.
  - matwood 2y ago
    The only one who looked strong was zelensky to me. But I’m sure the maga base will eat this up and oddly are pro Russia now.
    - techorange 2y ago
      It's funny, I mean I don't know the exact divide between MAGA and trad Republicans, but the trad Republicans I know have been the ones to turn pro-Russia. There definitely seems to be a split in /r/conservative.
  - JKCalhoun 2y ago
    Cue the super-cut of Zelensky thanking the U.S. since probably December 2022.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  More like WWE
  - soared 2y ago
    More like department of education.
acdha 2y ago
He made his priority pretty clear in that regard: > Shortly before the meeting ended, Trump offered, “This is going to be great television.” https://apnews.com/article/zelenskyy-security-guarantees-trump-meeting-washington-eebdf97b663c2cdc9e51fa346b09591d https://apnews.com/article/zelenskyy-security-guarantees-tru...
- randcraw 2y ago
  If there was ever proof that Trump is just a troll, this is it. Annoy the room just so you can't be overlooked, no matter how much you deserve to be.

ipython 2y ago

Trump & Vance didn't screw it up- this was on purpose. As the saying goes, "the cruelty is the point"

duxup 2y ago
I'm going with the idea that it is screwed up, even if intentional.
- JKCalhoun 2y ago
  Yeah, pretty sure history will be the judge as to whether this was a colossal screwup.

pell 2y ago

>Buch of children in the US executive branch. The intended audience is eating this up. If you go to conservative spaces, NATO now is considered a rip off, the EU was apparently designed to hurt the US, Zelensky is a dictator, etc.

baq 2y ago
FSB psyops directorate is celebrating so hard they won’t get sober until next Tuesday.
amarcheschi 2y ago
/r/conservative is truly interesting. Not American, but i guess that most past us president would cream at the vague thought of making Russia loose soldiers and equipment with just helping a third country, without loosing soldiers
- drawkward 2y ago
  Well, what we have now is manifestly not conservatism. I would argue it is Yarvinism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin "In his blog Unqualified Reservations, which he wrote from 2007 to 2014, and in his later newsletter Gray Mirror, which he started in 2020, he argues that American democracy is a failed experiment[5] that should be replaced by an accountable monarchy, similar to the governance structure of corporations.[6] In 2002, Yarvin began work on a personal software project that eventually became the Urbit networked computing platform. In 2013, he co-founded the company Tlon to oversee the Urbit project and helped lead it until 2019.[7] Yarvin has been described as a "neo-reactionary", "neo-monarchist" and "neo-feudalist" who "sees liberalism as creating a Matrix-like totalitarian system, and who wants to replace American democracy with a sort of techno-monarchy".[8][9][10][11] He has defended the institution of slavery, and has suggested that certain races may be more naturally inclined toward servitude than others.[12][13] He has claimed that whites have higher IQs than black people, but does not consider himself a white nationalist. He is a critic of US civil rights programs, and has called the civil rights movement a "black-rage industry".[14] Yarvin has influenced some prominent Silicon Valley investors and Republican politicians, with venture capitalist Peter Thiel described as his "most important connection".[15] Political strategist Steve Bannon has read and admired his work.[16] U.S. Vice President JD Vance "has cited Yarvin as an influence himself."[17][18][19] Michael Anton, the State Department Director of Policy Planning during Trump's second presidency, has also discussed Yarvin's ideas.[20] In January 2025, Yarvin attended a Trump inaugural gala in Washington; Politico reported he was "an informal guest of honor" due to his "outsize influence over the Trumpian right."[21]"

tim333 2y ago

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