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16GB? In 2025 that seems very small for anything other than gaming.

Hikikomori 2y ago
It's a gaming card.
newsclues 2y ago
They don't want to make cards good for AI, at the price gamers will pay, thus annoying the gamers and cutting into their AI chip sales. nVidia created the AI chip market on the backs off gamers, but that doesn't mean that trend will continue forever. The demand is there, so they can extract greater profits and margins on AI chips.
- dhruvdh 2y ago
  To be fair, you can buy ~3 of these for the price Nvidia charges for 24GB/32GB models.
  - WithinReason 2y ago
    Yes but you can't easily put 3 GPUs in 1 PC
  - dragontamer 2y ago
    If people want more VRAM the 24GB 7900xtx is right there and has been there for years.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  High ram cards are just nice for their longer lifespans though. Since Nvidia dominates the AI market anyway, AMD has the opportunity here to not try and help them protect it, and sell cards with more RAM. IMO that’d be a good move. They’d be keeping gamers happy by not hampering their product artificially. And, some poor grad students might use their cards to build the “next thing.”
nickthegreek 2y ago
NVIDIA offers one new consumer card with over 16gb.
- dragontamer 2y ago
  And that one card is $2500 in practice and sold out (only launched with like 500 inventory across USA). 5090 is pure unobtanium right now unless you feel like paying scalper prices in $3k++
  - masklinn 2y ago
    > And that one card is $2500 in practice and sold out (only launched with like 500 inventory across USA). And the power connector melts if you look at it funny.
gregors 2y ago
I'm actually happy about that. It specifically targets gamers who want to play video games.
PedroBatista 2y ago
These are gaming cards. If you think AMD is lacking here with just 16GB I can only assume you never bought NVIDIA gaming cards in the last 10 years.
- imtringued 2y ago
  You can buy used nvidia tesla p40 with 24GB from 2016 and unlike AMD, they still have CUDA support. The only thing they are missing is support for the latest data types like fp8.
  - itishappy 2y ago
    Which games support fp8?
  - PedroBatista 2y ago
    I don't know if I'm in a parallel Universe or hallucinating, but these are graphics cards, designed and created for people to install in they deskop PCs and run games. Just like they have been doing it for decades now. What's with the P40, CUDA and fp8? Seriously people, chill. AI has been using graphics cards because that was the best available route at the time, not the other way around. Otherwise I must question, why don't you talk about DisplayPort2.1, DirectX12, FidelityFX.. and other dozen features graphics related.
    - atemerev 2y ago
      Because, unless you are a Big Corp, you can't afford to buy H100s. Being able to run AI on consumer hardware is essential for many AI hackers out there. And no, renting hardware on "AI clouds" is not reliable — still outrageously expensive, and the rug can be pulled out of you at any moment. My rig is 4x4090, and it did cost a fortune to me already (still less expensive than a single H100). I would have happily used cheaper AMD cards, but they are not available for reasons like this. Last time I checked, this site was called "Hacker News", not "Bigtech Corporate Employee News".
    - dragonwriter 2y ago
Aurornis 2y ago
These cards are $550-$600 16GB is great for what these are: Gaming cards. Even on the nVidia side you have to spend $2000 (likely more) to get more RAM than that. You could buy 3 of these for the price of a single nVidia 5090.
- imtringued 2y ago
  On the Nvidia side every GPU released in the last ten years competes against what AMD is doing today. People who need more VRAM go with dual 3090.
  - itishappy 2y ago
    For the low low price of $2.5k you can outcompete a $600 card. Wow.
- Plasmoid2000ad 2y ago
  I suppose it's dissapointing that the 6800xt launched over 4 years ago at $649 with 16gb as welll. Inflation can partly explain this, buts still - we had been used to progress across the board each generation previously, at least with AMD.

It's a gaming card.

They don't want to make cards good for AI, at the price gamers will pay, thus annoying the gamers and cutting into their AI chip sales. nVidia created the AI chip market on the backs off gamers, but that doesn't mean that trend will continue forever. The demand is there, so they can extract greater profits and margins on AI chips.

dhruvdh 2y ago
To be fair, you can buy ~3 of these for the price Nvidia charges for 24GB/32GB models.
- WithinReason 2y ago
  Yes but you can't easily put 3 GPUs in 1 PC
- dragontamer 2y ago
  If people want more VRAM the 24GB 7900xtx is right there and has been there for years.
bee_rider 2y ago
High ram cards are just nice for their longer lifespans though. Since Nvidia dominates the AI market anyway, AMD has the opportunity here to not try and help them protect it, and sell cards with more RAM. IMO that’d be a good move. They’d be keeping gamers happy by not hampering their product artificially. And, some poor grad students might use their cards to build the “next thing.”

nickthegreek 2y ago

NVIDIA offers one new consumer card with over 16gb.

dragontamer 2y ago
And that one card is $2500 in practice and sold out (only launched with like 500 inventory across USA). 5090 is pure unobtanium right now unless you feel like paying scalper prices in $3k++
- masklinn 2y ago
  > And that one card is $2500 in practice and sold out (only launched with like 500 inventory across USA). And the power connector melts if you look at it funny.

gregors 2y ago

I'm actually happy about that. It specifically targets gamers who want to play video games.

PedroBatista 2y ago

These are gaming cards. If you think AMD is lacking here with just 16GB I can only assume you never bought NVIDIA gaming cards in the last 10 years.

imtringued 2y ago
You can buy used nvidia tesla p40 with 24GB from 2016 and unlike AMD, they still have CUDA support. The only thing they are missing is support for the latest data types like fp8.
- itishappy 2y ago
  Which games support fp8?
- PedroBatista 2y ago
  I don't know if I'm in a parallel Universe or hallucinating, but these are graphics cards, designed and created for people to install in they deskop PCs and run games. Just like they have been doing it for decades now. What's with the P40, CUDA and fp8? Seriously people, chill. AI has been using graphics cards because that was the best available route at the time, not the other way around. Otherwise I must question, why don't you talk about DisplayPort2.1, DirectX12, FidelityFX.. and other dozen features graphics related.
  - atemerev 2y ago
    Because, unless you are a Big Corp, you can't afford to buy H100s. Being able to run AI on consumer hardware is essential for many AI hackers out there. And no, renting hardware on "AI clouds" is not reliable — still outrageously expensive, and the rug can be pulled out of you at any moment. My rig is 4x4090, and it did cost a fortune to me already (still less expensive than a single H100). I would have happily used cheaper AMD cards, but they are not available for reasons like this. Last time I checked, this site was called "Hacker News", not "Bigtech Corporate Employee News".
  - dragonwriter 2y ago

Aurornis 2y ago

These cards are $550-$600 16GB is great for what these are: Gaming cards. Even on the nVidia side you have to spend $2000 (likely more) to get more RAM than that. You could buy 3 of these for the price of a single nVidia 5090.

imtringued 2y ago
On the Nvidia side every GPU released in the last ten years competes against what AMD is doing today. People who need more VRAM go with dual 3090.
- itishappy 2y ago
  For the low low price of $2.5k you can outcompete a $600 card. Wow.
Plasmoid2000ad 2y ago
I suppose it's dissapointing that the 6800xt launched over 4 years ago at $649 with 16gb as welll. Inflation can partly explain this, buts still - we had been used to progress across the board each generation previously, at least with AMD.