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Canada says "you're welcome". (Quite some time ago US and Canadian researchers worked to trap and transport eagles from northern Canada, where there will still

Canada says "you're welcome". (Quite some time ago US and Canadian researchers worked to trap and transport eagles from northern Canada, where there will still several thousand; those birds helped restore the population in the contiguous states.) I've not been able to find sources to indicate the bird's conservation status in Canada at that time. As far as I can tell, every mention of the birds being on the verge of extinction should always be followed by "in the US".

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jandrewrogers 2y ago
They were not even endangered in the US but in the contiguous US. There was always a large population in Alaska such that people were paid to cull them. Many "endangered" animals in the US are not endangered in the sense of extinction but in the sense that they are leaving some part of their native range. They are often "endangered in $LOCALE", not endangered generally.
- odyssey7 2y ago
  I feel that eagles that can fly large distances are in a different category from land animals, which have greater pressures to adapt their lineages to particular geographic ranges, to specialize within the species. For example, the Florida Panther: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_panther https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_panther
- willturman 2y ago
  This is so unbelievably lazy. You even say this in reference to Eagles, which are a migratory species whose range crosses hemispheres, as if the contiguous United States is some small aside on that path. “Don’t worry about the regional extinction of a migratory apex predator because they’re conveniently thriving in dumpsters behind the McDonalds in a town in Alaska.”
  - shutupnerd0000 2y ago
    Can you blame them though? Big Macs are quite tasty
    - willturman 2y ago
      > “We’re used to seeing America’s national bird depicted as a majestic hero plucking wild salmon from pristine streams. But here you can see eagles for what they really are: scrappy, opportunistic feeders. If fresh fish isn’t available, the birds will eat seagulls, ducks, squirrels, mice, the occasional raven, bits of rotten meat dug out of the trash—or, in one case, a piece of pepperoni pizza snatched out of a teenager’s hand. Like us, eagles are adaptable. We should be proud.” [1] America’s national symbol reduced to dumpster diving and fast food. It scans. [1]https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/explore-bird-bald-eagle-dirty https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/explore-...
      - bluedino 2y ago
        Didn't Benjamin Franklin suggest the Turkey instead?
        beeflet 2y ago
        IDK how comfortable people would be eating the national bird every thanksgiving
        mikestew 2y ago
        Considering that the taste is much like bald eagle, I think folks might be comfortable reversing the two.
        zoky 2y ago
        Reminds me of that joke about the guy who is on trial for killing a bald eagle, and he tells the judge that it was a life-or-death situation: He was lost in the woods, and after several weeks without food he luckily happened upon a bald eagle that he managed to trap and eat to avoid starvation. The judge says, “Well, in that case, we can let you go. But tell me, what does a bald eagle taste like?” “Oh, sort of a cross between a spotted owl and a California condor.”
- ajross 2y ago
  > Many "endangered" animals in the US are not endangered in the sense of extinction but in the sense that they are leaving some part of their native range. I'm reading this and not understanding where you're going with it. I mean, I get the libertarian bent of the argument: the government is overreaching in an attempt to preserve that which is unimportant, or something to that effect. But what is the policy aim here? You want eagles to be removed from the endangered species list[1] for... what? So farmers can use DDT again? (The article points out, correctly, that DDT is believed to be the single largest cause of their decline). That seems poorly grounded. Honestly mostly this just sounds like whining to me. [1] Which already happened. In 1995! They remained Threatened until 2007 when even that category was removed. In point of fact the success of the bald eagle recovery seems like an argument in favor of species-based conservation efforts. Do you really disagree?
  - jdminhbg 2y ago
    Seems to me like the post is just noting that if you want to postfix "in the US" to "endangered," you should more properly postfix "in the contiguous US." I have no idea why the DDT rant.
  - linkregister 2y ago
    Pursuit of the truth is worthwhile in and of itself.
    - ajross 2y ago
      The word "Endangered" in this context (which, again, hasn't applied to the bald eagle for 30 years!) is defined by and used within the context of the Endangered Species Act of 1973. Inserting an "actuallly" argument is doing nothing but harming understanding.
      - lupusreal 2y ago
        It is common for people to have an understanding of terms which differs from their precise legal definition, and the difference between the two can be interesting.
__turbobrew__ 2y ago
There are tons of bald eagles in British Columbia. I see them all the time.
- WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
  This part of Florida was lousy with them when I moved here in the early 90s. And FTR, this area was like Canada South then. Tons of snowbirds. Everything changes. I haven't seen a bald eagle in a decade or two. I still see Canadians but not a lot. Our forever warming winters are changing what snowbird season is like.
  - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
    Well, you'll see a lot fewer of us this winter and at least the next 3 after and it won't be because of the changing planetary climate.
    - WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
      Honestly, FL sucks more+more from every angle. I'm baffled why anyone wants to move here.
      - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
        I've never been, only ever heard bad things. Except for Manatees. I really want to see some Manatees. So beautiful.
        Kon-Peki 2y ago
        Just go already. Florida has outstanding state parks and natural areas. Many of them will be gone forever soon(ish). Spend much of your time there camping at the parks or in cheap hotels, buy food at grocery stores, etc. Stay away from the rich/expensive areas and you won’t contribute much of anything to the craziness of the place. You’ll also find that the average Floridian isn’t nearly as crazy as you thought.
cmrdporcupine 2y ago
Even here in Canada it's been amazing to see them return to areas where they were gone (southern Ontario, etc). There's a population of them now in Coote's Paradise here in Hamilton. Apparently after a 50 year absence. https://www.rbg.ca/plants-conservation/nature-sanctuaries/conservation-projects/bald-eagles/ https://www.rbg.ca/plants-conservation/nature-sanctuaries/co...
- drpgq 2y ago
  Huh. I'll have look out for them.
rob74 2y ago
Canada may say "you're welcome", but does the US say "thanks"? Not under the current administration! Ok, they might care about the bald eagle, but other than that, Republican economic interests (real or imagined) will always trump (heh) environmental concerns: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-yearslong-war-delta-smelt_n_6797f30ce4b038f1c403db0a https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-yearslong-war-de...
pookha 2y ago
You're not welcome for the Canadian Geese.
- cmrdporcupine 2y ago
  You don't like cobra chickens? And their copious poops? Actually the goslings are adorable. There's a park nearby where they excessively congregate and I love to take pictures of the little floofballs being all awkward and floofy.

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jandrewrogers 2y ago

They were not even endangered in the US but in the contiguous US. There was always a large population in Alaska such that people were paid to cull them. Many "endangered" animals in the US are not endangered in the sense of extinction but in the sense that they are leaving some part of their native range. They are often "endangered in $LOCALE", not endangered generally.

odyssey7 2y ago
I feel that eagles that can fly large distances are in a different category from land animals, which have greater pressures to adapt their lineages to particular geographic ranges, to specialize within the species. For example, the Florida Panther: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_panther https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_panther
willturman 2y ago
This is so unbelievably lazy. You even say this in reference to Eagles, which are a migratory species whose range crosses hemispheres, as if the contiguous United States is some small aside on that path. “Don’t worry about the regional extinction of a migratory apex predator because they’re conveniently thriving in dumpsters behind the McDonalds in a town in Alaska.”
- shutupnerd0000 2y ago
  Can you blame them though? Big Macs are quite tasty
  - willturman 2y ago
    > “We’re used to seeing America’s national bird depicted as a majestic hero plucking wild salmon from pristine streams. But here you can see eagles for what they really are: scrappy, opportunistic feeders. If fresh fish isn’t available, the birds will eat seagulls, ducks, squirrels, mice, the occasional raven, bits of rotten meat dug out of the trash—or, in one case, a piece of pepperoni pizza snatched out of a teenager’s hand. Like us, eagles are adaptable. We should be proud.” [1] America’s national symbol reduced to dumpster diving and fast food. It scans. [1]https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/explore-bird-bald-eagle-dirty https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/explore-...
    - bluedino 2y ago
      Didn't Benjamin Franklin suggest the Turkey instead?
      - beeflet 2y ago
        IDK how comfortable people would be eating the national bird every thanksgiving
        mikestew 2y ago
        Considering that the taste is much like bald eagle, I think folks might be comfortable reversing the two.
        zoky 2y ago
        Reminds me of that joke about the guy who is on trial for killing a bald eagle, and he tells the judge that it was a life-or-death situation: He was lost in the woods, and after several weeks without food he luckily happened upon a bald eagle that he managed to trap and eat to avoid starvation. The judge says, “Well, in that case, we can let you go. But tell me, what does a bald eagle taste like?” “Oh, sort of a cross between a spotted owl and a California condor.”
ajross 2y ago
> Many "endangered" animals in the US are not endangered in the sense of extinction but in the sense that they are leaving some part of their native range. I'm reading this and not understanding where you're going with it. I mean, I get the libertarian bent of the argument: the government is overreaching in an attempt to preserve that which is unimportant, or something to that effect. But what is the policy aim here? You want eagles to be removed from the endangered species list[1] for... what? So farmers can use DDT again? (The article points out, correctly, that DDT is believed to be the single largest cause of their decline). That seems poorly grounded. Honestly mostly this just sounds like whining to me. [1] Which already happened. In 1995! They remained Threatened until 2007 when even that category was removed. In point of fact the success of the bald eagle recovery seems like an argument in favor of species-based conservation efforts. Do you really disagree?
- jdminhbg 2y ago
  Seems to me like the post is just noting that if you want to postfix "in the US" to "endangered," you should more properly postfix "in the contiguous US." I have no idea why the DDT rant.
- linkregister 2y ago
  Pursuit of the truth is worthwhile in and of itself.
  - ajross 2y ago
    The word "Endangered" in this context (which, again, hasn't applied to the bald eagle for 30 years!) is defined by and used within the context of the Endangered Species Act of 1973. Inserting an "actuallly" argument is doing nothing but harming understanding.
    - lupusreal 2y ago
      It is common for people to have an understanding of terms which differs from their precise legal definition, and the difference between the two can be interesting.

__turbobrew__ 2y ago

There are tons of bald eagles in British Columbia. I see them all the time.

WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
This part of Florida was lousy with them when I moved here in the early 90s. And FTR, this area was like Canada South then. Tons of snowbirds. Everything changes. I haven't seen a bald eagle in a decade or two. I still see Canadians but not a lot. Our forever warming winters are changing what snowbird season is like.
- cmrdporcupine 2y ago
  Well, you'll see a lot fewer of us this winter and at least the next 3 after and it won't be because of the changing planetary climate.
  - WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
    Honestly, FL sucks more+more from every angle. I'm baffled why anyone wants to move here.
    - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
      I've never been, only ever heard bad things. Except for Manatees. I really want to see some Manatees. So beautiful.
      - Kon-Peki 2y ago
        Just go already. Florida has outstanding state parks and natural areas. Many of them will be gone forever soon(ish). Spend much of your time there camping at the parks or in cheap hotels, buy food at grocery stores, etc. Stay away from the rich/expensive areas and you won’t contribute much of anything to the craziness of the place. You’ll also find that the average Floridian isn’t nearly as crazy as you thought.

cmrdporcupine 2y ago

Even here in Canada it's been amazing to see them return to areas where they were gone (southern Ontario, etc). There's a population of them now in Coote's Paradise here in Hamilton. Apparently after a 50 year absence. https://www.rbg.ca/plants-conservation/nature-sanctuaries/conservation-projects/bald-eagles/ https://www.rbg.ca/plants-conservation/nature-sanctuaries/co...

drpgq 2y ago
Huh. I'll have look out for them.

rob74 2y ago

Canada may say "you're welcome", but does the US say "thanks"? Not under the current administration! Ok, they might care about the bald eagle, but other than that, Republican economic interests (real or imagined) will always trump (heh) environmental concerns: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-yearslong-war-delta-smelt_n_6797f30ce4b038f1c403db0a https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-yearslong-war-de...

pookha 2y ago

You're not welcome for the Canadian Geese.

cmrdporcupine 2y ago
You don't like cobra chickens? And their copious poops? Actually the goslings are adorable. There's a park nearby where they excessively congregate and I love to take pictures of the little floofballs being all awkward and floofy.