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Perhaps Apple has a greater leverage in China due to its outsized manufacturing presence. And it's likely they already dont offer ADP to Chinese citizens.

bitpush 2y ago
lol you think Apple has more leverage than China? What world are you living in?
- raincole 2y ago
  A world where HN commentators can read English.
SXX 2y ago
> And it's likely they already dont offer ADP to Chinese citizens. AFAIK before UK only region with ADP was China.
vineyardmike 2y ago
> Perhaps Apple has a greater leverage in China due to its outsized manufacturing presence. Perhaps china has greater leverage over apple in this case... China had been an important area of growth for many companies during the 2010s. Apple bent over backwards to cater to that market. It was discussed in every financial release, and they obviously made tons of concessions for iCloud. The UK just comparatively isn't that much revenue, and not worth the fallout.
- chii 2y ago
  > China had been an important area of growth for many companies during the 2010s. Apple bent over backwards to cater to that market and it is the same with european car companies (like volkswagon). Look at where they are now. I don't believe for a second, that china will not oust apple the moment there's a good reason to.
  - vineyardmike 2y ago
    > Look at where they are now. Apples revenue from china has been super dependent on new iPhone looking different, and has been steadily declining or flat for years, except for a few quarters when Huawei was sanctioned. Chinese money was absolutely the forbidden temptress that continues to screw businesses. Luxury goods, cars, electronics, etc were all banking on china’s economic rise to grow their revenue, and post covid recovery saw all that money stay domestic. China won’t oust Apple because twisting Tim Cook’s arm is way more useful. Same with Tesla and any other company that makes a big bet there. But they absolutely won’t be giving American companies an equal chance at success.

bitpush 2y ago

lol you think Apple has more leverage than China? What world are you living in?

raincole 2y ago
A world where HN commentators can read English.

SXX 2y ago

> And it's likely they already dont offer ADP to Chinese citizens. AFAIK before UK only region with ADP was China.

vineyardmike 2y ago

> Perhaps Apple has a greater leverage in China due to its outsized manufacturing presence. Perhaps china has greater leverage over apple in this case... China had been an important area of growth for many companies during the 2010s. Apple bent over backwards to cater to that market. It was discussed in every financial release, and they obviously made tons of concessions for iCloud. The UK just comparatively isn't that much revenue, and not worth the fallout.

chii 2y ago
> China had been an important area of growth for many companies during the 2010s. Apple bent over backwards to cater to that market and it is the same with european car companies (like volkswagon). Look at where they are now. I don't believe for a second, that china will not oust apple the moment there's a good reason to.
- vineyardmike 2y ago
  > Look at where they are now. Apples revenue from china has been super dependent on new iPhone looking different, and has been steadily declining or flat for years, except for a few quarters when Huawei was sanctioned. Chinese money was absolutely the forbidden temptress that continues to screw businesses. Luxury goods, cars, electronics, etc were all banking on china’s economic rise to grow their revenue, and post covid recovery saw all that money stay domestic. China won’t oust Apple because twisting Tim Cook’s arm is way more useful. Same with Tesla and any other company that makes a big bet there. But they absolutely won’t be giving American companies an equal chance at success.