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At this point, this is enough autonomy to have a set of these guys man a howitzer (read as old stockpiles of weapons we already have). Kind of a scary though
by swalsh 2y ago
At this point, this is enough autonomy to have a set of these guys man a howitzer (read as old stockpiles of weapons we already have). Kind of a scary thought. On one hand, I think the idea of moving real people out of danger in war is a good idea, and as an American i'd want Americans to have an edge... and we can't guarantee our enemies won't take it if we skip it, on the other hand I have a visceral reaction to machines killing people.
I think we're at an inflection point now where AI and robotics can be used in warfare, and we need to start having that conversation.
- lyu07282 2y agoI don't understand we already saw exactly what happens with the emergence of drones and Israel is already using AI to select bombing targets and semi-autonomous turrets. What conversation? What kind of society do you think we are living in?
- 01100011 2y agoWe had sufficient AI to make death machines for decades. You don't need fancy LLMs to get a pretty good success rate for targeting. I have said for years that the only thing keeping us from "stabby the robot" is solving the power problem. If you can keep a drone going for a week, you have a killing machine. Use blades to avoid running out of ammo. Use IR detection to find the jugular. Stab, stab and move on. I'm guessing "traditional" vision algorithms are also sufficient to, say, identify an ethnicity and conduct ethnic cleansing. We are "solving the power problem" away from a new class of WMDs that are accessible to smaller states/groups/individuals.
- selfmodruntime 2y ago> We had sufficient AI to make death machines for decades And we already reached the peek here. Small drones that are cheaply mass produced, fly on SIM cards alone and explode when they reached a target. That's all there is to it. You don't need a gun mounted on a spot or a humanoid robot carrying a gun. Exploding swarms are enough.
- charlie0 2y agoBlack Mirror has the perfect episode for this scenario already.
- UltraSane 2y agoExcept those things would be very easily defeated by a 12 gauge shotgun or a AR-15
- selfmodruntime 2y agoYou are severely underestimating the speed of drones and their formation capabilities, as well as overestimating your aim under immense danger.
- Symmetry 2y agoThey don't look strong enough to pick up a 155mm shell even with both arms - and we haven't seen them pick up something with two arms.
- meindnoch 2y agoSo you're concerned about remote operated howitzers? Autoloaders and remote control land vehicles have existed for 40 or so years by now. If we wanted remote controlled howitzers we could have fielded them already.
- ripped_britches 2y agoThis would have made a more interesting demo at least
- imtringued 2y agoPanzerhaubitze 2000 already has an autoloader and the entire point of self propelled artillery is that it moves after shooting to avoid counter artillery fire.
- int_19h 2y agoWe already have an ongoing major war (in Ukraine) where both sides are using autonomous AI-driven drones that kill people, at scale, with escalating tit-for-tat advances in lethality. This conversation is being had alright.